Pelosi Table Dancing. Again.
58 Democrats voted to debate impeachment today, but no surprise, it was voted down.
House Votes Not to Impeach President Trump https://t.co/DfqpQqtIg7 pic.twitter.com/Fm96rZJQWt
— Democracy Now! (@democracynow) December 7, 2017
Well would you look at all those Democrats who voted with Republicans on this. Welll gollllleeee!
One of the naysayers was, tadaaa, Nancy ‘impeachment [of GW Bush] is off the table’ Pelosi. Nancy still be all ‘now is not the time, we must let investigations run their course, you be dead before this ever gets debated. /s
The spirit of bipartisanship prevailed. Will people now give up on this?
With the Democratic Party leadership in bed with the deep state crying Russia Russia Russia Trump Trump Trump for months, now why did these 58 actually go ahead and take a chance on a vote?
Red meat for the base, yes? Well 17 cities have moved to call for impeachment. Maybe they paid attention to that, and the 3 mil plus others who have signed on in support? Looking for some votes in 2018 we can be sure.
So hey,
I am posting this up for those of us who might have at least an academic interest the movement to impeach is this week. If that is not you, feel free to move on. Or not.
The following is the best general treatment I have found. In this interview John Bonifaz lays out where the corpadems stand, why three million plus disagree with them, what are grounds for impeachment, and why, with the Repubs in control should this be pursued.
Yeah yeah yeah, I know some of us think that the constitution is a worthless piece of litter. Okay, got it.
Again, this is for those who want to catch up on where the 3 million others are with the move to impeach. One million plus brought together by RootsAction, and another two million by a billionaire running adds and dissing the Democratic leadership after they opposed his efforts. The transcript below goes into all that.
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.@JohnBonifaz: "The fact is that this president must be held accountable under the law, and that is through the impeachment process" https://t.co/DzKO5fmr4c
— Democracy Now! (@democracynow) December 3, 2017
Here’s an excerpt from the Transcript to get you started:
JOHN BONIFAZ: Well, hey’ve introduced five articles of impeachment, and they’ve done it as a group. And it’s significant because up until now there were two members of Congress, Al Green being one of them, Congressman Al Green from Houston, and Congressman Brad Sherman from Los Angeles, who had introduced articles of impeachment around obstruction of justice. These articles go beyond obstruction of justice, including that, but also the violations of the foreign and domestic emoluments clauses and the president’s continued attacks on freedom of the press and on the independence of the judiciary.
And what’s significant here, Amy, is that these articles have been introduced by members of Congress despite the continued opposition by their own party’s leadership in the Congress. Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has made clear that she doesn’t think impeachment should move forward at this time, and yet they are going ahead and moving this forward. And I think they’re asking for other members of Congress to join them, beyond those who already have stepped forward. And we, as Americans, all across the country, should push for an impeachment investigation and should urge our members of Congress to
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My personal favorite of the 5 articles discussed by Bonifaz
“Constitutional Expert Says Move to Impeach Trump Can Proceed Without Derailing FBI’s Criminal Probe”. https://www.democracynow.org/2017/12/1/constitutional_expert_says_move_t...
My personal fav is the one having to do with threatening to unleash nuclear hell on the planet. YMMV
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
The republicans are going to go after Hillary
Obama, Mueller and others for the uranium deal. I don't know how serious they are about this, but from what I've read they seem to think that there was wrongdoing in the deal.
House Republicans are investigating Hillary's Russian Uranium Deal
On a side note, Bernie may have won the primary according to this website. If this is true, then we witnessed the biggest election scandal in history. Lots and lots of evidence that shows that he did. But if he did win and then beat Trump, would things be much different? Especially in the Middle East?
Democracy Lost
Alex Jones played some
tape of Grassly tonight totally beating up on Her Highness, showing no mercy. Yep, they're coming for HRC. I can't wait for heads exploding over on ToP!
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One charge in the pro-impeachment article is eminently wrong!
When political adversaries do wrong, they should be punished for violating the, not their ideology. Trump is of course deserving of such prosecution, hence I agree with the notion that DOJ has been extensively politicized (corrupted). Prosecution of political adversaries for cause is necessary, not deplorable.
They'll never impeach this guy.
He's their excuse for EVERYTHING.
/snark
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Agree. Is a waste
of time. And, yes, found guilty leaves the Dems with no villain. Then who they gonna blame? Will never happen.
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Berlin Wall went down after
I am leaving it open, for I have learned who knows what cascading events might produce in these volatile times ?
Who would have ever thought that old democratic socialist would get ANYWHERE?
Some sound quite sure . At least there is some solace with that certainty. Surely.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
@detroitmechworks I should have read this
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Nancy Pelosi
provides us with clear, direct information about what the big money donors want and don't want. Impeachment of a Republican president is off the table because they want it off the table.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Like you say, she us like a rain guage
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Morally, he has to be impeached.
Not wanting to impeach him because of Pence is wrong imo. But only if he was impeached for the right reasons, which also imo, is that he's a war criminal murderer. I happen to think all murderers should be held accountable even if they're a president. His rhetoric against North Korea and Iran is clearly illegal under international law and does constitute war crimes also. And if he was impeached for war crimes, that would change the whole game.
Ya, I know, and monkeys might fly out of my butt.
BA agree with you 1000%.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
@Big Al Sorry. I can't make that
Did you know they think that if we destroy the world, Jesus will come back faster, so it's a good idea to hasten the process?
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Must be a hollow feeling when one’s guiding value is
Sounds to me bit like Nancy Pelosi’s reasons for not supporting the 58 who moved to impeach.
Ah well, it’s the American way, I guess.
https://wemeantwell.com/blog/2017/08/08/morality-expediency-and-hiroshima/
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
@divineorder I'm talking about
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
So you're willing to allow a mass murderer who threatens
What if Trump could be impeached for war crimes, would that change your mind? I know it won't happen, which is why I'm not big on impeachment because if it happens it would be a political maneuver by a faction of the ruling class. But if that happened, Pence and future presidents would be effectively neutered. US imperialism itself would have to change.
My guess is Pence wouldn't have the guts to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel which has brought the doomsday clock even closer to midnight.
We should never be afraid of justice.
The article condemning the nuclear bombing of Hiroshima
When we have some evidence that the nuclear termination of the war was improper militarily, then we may debate the issue. In the meantime, I regard the link as mere "Russia Russia Russia" type allegations without a semblance of factual support.
What a surprise that it didn't pass
Democrats aren't using the Russian interference crap to impeach Trump, they're using it to get to Russia and their war.
Trump is certainly guilty on the Emoluments Clause. I don't know if congress could have made him divest from his businesses, but he is making a ton of money off the government. The secret service has to pay for everything they use at his golf resorts.
Funny how there's not a word of this on ToP about this. I see daily diaries saying that THIS is what's going to bring impeachment proceedings against him. Now that democrats had their chance to do it, but didn't, what does this tell them?
I think it's a multipurpose distraction
However, I also think that a goodly portion of the 3 million and 17 cities have ideas of theit own separate from what Dem leadership/deep state wants.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
You really mean to say "table dance"?
From Wikipedia:
Ha, yep!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_entendre
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Full disclosure: Thom Hartmann said it first.
It started with the pardon of Nixon. That act of moral cowardice (if not blatant corruption) set the precedent for Pelosi and Obama refusing to prosecute Bush. If they had done the right thing Trump would never have been elected - because Hillary would have been prosecuted (if Obama would have nominated her at all) in 2010. Of course, Bernie would not have felt the need to run, and who knows what the Dems would have done? But then, a few people like Reagan going to jail and maybe Bernie wouldn't have had to run.
On to Biden since 1973
Do you know that foreign press media interns
whose mother language is not English and who learned British English in their schools as teenagers, have always to struggle to interpret these announcements of "on motion to table" graphics?
What is a motion to table?
When I saw it the first time (and all my German colleagues too) we interpret a "motion to table" as asking to put an issue up for discussion, ie 'on the table', so to speak asking 'let's talk about and debate it now'.
But it means in "American English" the opposite (in the Senate):
or
If I look at the graphic I would have thought 68 Democrats would have voted to NOT discuss possible impeachment procedures. Each time we had to make it clear to our colleagues, who were new, I thought, who in the world has made this confusing mess of the expression "move to table".
Well, it must have been some evil-doing Senators in the past, who came up with it. Ideal to confuse the world and obfuscate their intentions when saying "yes" to "table something". /s
https://www.euronews.com/live
There are no white hats coming to the rescue.
The same can be said of over 95% of our Senators and Representatives. When is the last time any of them left office a pauper? The Clintons? I don't think so.
Trump is not the one bad apple causing the stench of rot in the government, he is simply one of many. Impeachment would accomplish nothing, other than providing a further polarizing distraction for the masses while the criminals and sociopaths who run the place add to their fortunes at the public's expense.
I don't know why the vote tally board even bothers to differentiate by party at this point. Both Republicans and Democrats line their pockets as they serve the masters of industry and war while tamping down the occasional proud nail of dissent and creating and endless parade of meaningless distractions to occupy the deplorables. And as for Independents, do they even exist in our government?
It's Them and Us, and clearly we're the ones who are coming up short. With or without Trump in the Oval Office, that situation is not about to change. The chain of succession is replete with sociopaths all too happy to carry on in the same vein. Red hats or Blue, it makes little difference.
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
I recall being amazed when I learned members of Congress had
granted themselves (and continue to grant themselves) a long-standing exemption from insider-trading laws.
Seriously. Members of Congress are allowed use their inside knowledge of what’s up in government — even decisions, actions, and investigations they are personally involved in — to speculate and profit as they see fit.
This attempt at impeachment is the
finest example of the term ‘futile gesture’ that i think I’ve ever seen.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I don't think they have enough to impeach him,
but even if they did, the Democrats can't afford to impeach him. Where would they be without him to compare themselves to? They've spent the last year telling everyone that the rest of the Republicans are good guys because they hate Trump too.
After helping the Bush administration give itself a moral makeover, and even saying Mike Pence is good in comparison to Trump, you can hardly make them into monsters again immediately.
Every Dem up there should be sending Trump gift baskets for preserving their justification for being.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver