Something Old, Something New, Something Borrowed, Something Blue

Something/Someone Old
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One of my partners is currently listening to a Talking Book about the Roman Empire. So my Something Old today is a two-fer:

First, the Aeneid, an epic poem about the founding of Rome by exiled Trojans fleeing the fall of Troy,

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Whose sixth book was translated by Seamus Heaney, the great Irish poet who is missed as much for his unpretentious gentleness and generosity as for his poetic gift. This edition was published last year, and I can't wait to read it:

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but which was originally written by Publius Vergilius Maro, a poet who lived in the Augustan period of the Roman Empire (70 BC- 19 BC):

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The other half of my Something Old is the city of Carthage (I seem to be always talking about Phoenicians on here):

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Because I realized again, this morning, how irritating I find the portion of the Aeneid where Aeneas visits Dido of Carthage.

You see, Aeneas was a prince of Troy. After Odysseus' dirty trick, whose only virtue was that it did put an end to the war, Aeneas left the burning ruins of Troy carrying his aged father, Anchises, on his back, and holding his little son by the hand. His wife was with him too, but she got separated from him and died there (we assume; she may have been captured as one of the slaves in Euripides' play The Trojan Women, but I can't remember if she was a character.) He must have gathered some other Trojans to him on the way out, but I don't remember that part well. He ended up with himself, his father, his son, and his men on ships sailing as far away from the Greeks as they could get.

Obviously, he needed help.

He was the son of Venus (Aphrodite) which had saved him from death more than once in the Iliad, but interestingly, how he got the help and supplies he needed to finally found Rome was through the goddess who hated him: Juno (Hera).

Juno hated him first, because he was Trojan, and Juno and Minerva were on the Greek side of the Trojan war, because of all that silliness over the golden apple (the Iliad isn't my topic today, so just search "golden apple discord iliad" to find the story if you want to read about gods indulging in ridiculous behavior).

Juno hated him secondly, and more importantly, because he was Trojan, and a prophecy had said that the descendants of the Trojans would lay waste to her favorite city, the city of which she was a divine patron, Carthage.

Her solution to this is fascinating, and not at all like anything I'd imagine the Greek version of this goddess, Hera, doing; she maneuvered Aeneas, through storms, into landing near Carthage, and caused the queen, Dido, to fall in love with Aeneas.

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They had a year-long affair, during which Dido showered Aeneas with gifts, and Hera even arranged a marriage. The idea was that they would rule over Carthage jointly, which would have neatly prevented any overthrow from being necessary. I think that may be the cleverest thing I've ever heard of Hera/Juno doing. But the other gods reminded Aeneas of his destiny (to found Rome), and he took off. When Dido saw his ships' sails retreating into the distance, she killed herself:

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For some reason, this has always irked me. I know Virgil put this in to provide a mythological reason for the later actual conflict between the Romans and the Carthaginians in the Punic Wars. But it's really damned annoying that one of the few actual female rulers in those stories ends up becoming a pathetic love-em-and-leave-em story for Aeneas. Aeneas was no Jason, but the story makes me feel positively Medean.

I just found out that it's a little more annoying than I thought. Again, I know Virgil was probably thinking more about political relationships of groups of people than anything else, but here is what the story of Dido was before he started fiddling with it:

Dido, also called Elissa, in Greek legend, the reputed founder of Carthage, daughter of the Tyrian king Mutto (or Belus), and wife of Sychaeus (or Acerbas).

Her husband having been slain by her brother Pygmalion, Dido fled to the coast of Africa where she purchased from a local chieftain, Iarbas, a piece of land on which she founded Carthage. The city soon prospered, and Iarbas sought Dido’s hand in marriage. To escape from him, Dido constructed a funeral pyre, on which she stabbed herself before the people.

Now, doesn't that story make her suicide look different?

Virgil, however, in his Aeneid, reshaped this story to make Dido a contemporary of Aeneas, whose descendants founded Rome. Dido fell in love with Aeneas after his landing in Africa, and Virgil attributes her suicide to her abandonment by him at the command of Jupiter. Her dying curse on the Trojans provides a mythical origin for the Punic Wars between Rome and Carthage.

Oh, Virgil. Did you have to?

Something New
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My Something New today is an artistic piece. It combines the computer game Just Cause--an ironic game whose title is a pun, and which sends up U.S. colonial militarism every chance it gets--with music from the ska band Sublime. Add in my partner's commentary and you get a divine sundae of sardonic mayhem. Those of you who like to let off your steam sardonically might find it particularly enjoyable. But you should also heed the warning label attached to the video:

Probably my worst effort to date. You really shouldn't watch this one. It is likely to lead to bad moral outcomes for yourself and your immediate family.--Stormtower

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Since the Romans are on my mind today--

It turns out the Romans borrowed the Roman alphabet from the Etruscans.

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Here's a little on the Etruscans from a Dr. Laurel Taylor, in her essay "The Etruscans, an Introduction": (https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/ancient-art-civilizations/etrusca...)

Though you may not have heard of them, the Etruscans were the first "superpower" of the Western Mediterranean who, alongside the Greeks, developed the earliest true cities in Europe. They were so successful, in fact, that the most important cities in modern Tuscany (Florence, Pisa, and Siena to name a few) were first established by the Etruscans and have been continuously inhabited since then.

Yet the labels ‘mysterious’ or ‘enigmatic’ are often attached to the Etruscans since none of their own histories or literature survives. This is particularly ironic as it was the Etruscans who were responsible for teaching the Romans the alphabet and for spreading literacy throughout the Italian peninsula.

Now, isn't that a hell of a thing? You teach people to read and write, enabling them to create literary and political texts that arguably form at least half the foundation of their later repute. These people you taught are venerated, partly on account of those texts, for more than fifteen hundred years after the fall of their empire.

And none of your own history or literature survives.

Ain't that a b?

Well, thanks for the alphabet, Etruscans. I'm sorry we don't remember you better.

Most of what we do know comes from their funerary arrangements, which are pretty cool, and may even convey some idea of what they looked like. Archaelogists think this is what the Etruscans believed they'd be doing in the afterlife:

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And here's a bit of art from Sestino, Arezzo, in Tuscany--which may derive its name from the Etruscans themselves:

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Something Blue

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My Something Blue for today is Gonzo the Great.

I hope you all remember Jim Henson's The Muppet Show. If you don't I may have to find you and make you watch a Muppet Show marathon with me:

This is Gonzo. He's a wacky inventor who loves doing stunts and dates chickens. No one is quite sure what he actually is. Here are some pictures of him:

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But I'm going to let those of you who don't know him meet him for yourself, so you can get the full effect:

Here he is with Paul Simon, in one of my favorite ever moments:

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Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

How are you all this morning?

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal very much enjoy your framework with the something old, new, borrowed, blue. Was describing it to my roomy last night which sparked an idea for using it in therapy with communication disorders. Thanks!

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@QMS Wow! I'm so glad, and a little stunned, that my OT framework could inspire a neat new therapy idea!

Thanks for letting me know.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal as well as your twin. Smile

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Never have studied the Greeks and Romans . . . only what came out of public school, so your report was a fun read.

The muppets were so wonderful. Having lived through my children's childhood and TV watching, there were really some fabulous kid and parent friendly programs out there.

Thanks! Have a great day. Smile

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"Make dirt, not war." eyo

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@mhagle The 1970s was the golden age of children's television, and Jim Henson was a large part of that.
What an amazing gift.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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that reverberates with the variable status of women through the ages. This is all at upper-class level. But even within a 50-year span, status change. We have always been second-class, except maybe not as hunter-gatherers. Could be argued. I could do both sides. Debate.

Short-ran my insurance Co about oopsing a medication and got another script for the same filled and picked up this AM. If I were truly bed-ridden, I could not do this miracle. Teetering on the edge. At least I can still suss out the shortest path.

I bought Christmas wrapping paper today as well. Now feeling tired, but pushing on.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

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(Walks over and flops into a beach hammock.)
I must be 'living the dream'.

Have a good one CStMS and everyone.

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I want a Pony!

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@Arrow Hey, Arrow! Haven't "seen" you for a bit.

That's the kind of afterlife I could get behind.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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accorded at least quasi co-equal status in Etruscan society. That's maybe why those who came after didn't preserve their literature and other writings. Also maybe pantheistic. Lastly, again iirc, they were at least weakly allied with, uh, ehem, Carthage. Again, iirc.

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@enhydra lutris The difference in gender politics between them and the Romans might well have had an impact on the persistence of their writings--maybe the Romans got rid of them. Still, it seems odd, because apparently the Romans kept an Etruscan priesthood around for quite a while.

As for being pantheistic, well, so were the Romans--those Romans anyway!

Oh God, the Holy Roman Empire was such a bad idea. Even for Christians. Not that I want people jailed and fed to lions, don't get me wrong.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

contemporaries or near contemporaries. The Trojan War is thought to have taken place at about the same time when the Phoenicians, a fascinating people about whom little is available in English, that I can find, first began their voyages of trade and exploration.

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@Nastarana They could have known each other. But I don't like Virgil's story much.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@Nastarana If you find out more about the Phoenicians, please post it on my OT! I seem to keep circling back to talk about them. Anything you find out would be interesting.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
named Gerhard Herm wrote books about the Celts and the Phoenicians, entitled The Celts and The Phoenicians, respectively. I am presently reading my way through the Cambridge Ancient History, which happens to reside on the shelves of TWO public libraries which I can use. So far I have learned that the earliest city which organized itself as a republic was not Greek, but one of the Phoenician cities along the Lebanese coast, Arpad if I remember correctly. The govt. of Carthage seems to have been not unlike that of republican Rome, with a Senate, a double executive and so on. I suppose you will have heard about how the Carthaginian Senate suppressed news of discovery of a large inhabitable island far to the west in the Atlantic for fear its' young men would desert the war effort against Rome to go found new cities to the West. I have met a Native American man who knew of Phoenician settlers in NA, said that their descendants live now in Kentucky.

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@Nastarana Wow! Er, you should probably be writing the "Something Old" part of this thread. What a wealth of information.

I gotta dig into some of that stuff about Phoenicians and the New World. Thought the Vikings were the only Euros who got here in the pre-Columbian era.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

I enjoy "talking books" as well. They give me a chance to 'read' at the same time that I am trying to put a dent in my giant list of chores. Speaking of myths and work, the never ending repetitious nature of work and the myth of Sisyphus, is becoming more relevant to more and more people. As we watch income disparity increase as never before, the harshness and futility of work becomes more obviously Sisyphean.

I do enjoy talking about books as well. But instead of reading I recently 'watched' a version of Tolstoy's Anna Karenina. Here's a trailer to that version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yUAzBRnZkI&list=RD9yUAzBRnZkI#t=0
I noticed commentary about class, income disparity, and work, in this movie. The silliness of the elite was juxtaposed to the moral superiority of the working class. It was Tolstoyian (pardon my poor spelling) in that regard and reminded me that that Gandhi admired Tolstoy (or was it the other way around). Neither of those two regarded work as either harsh or futile as long as the work belonged to the workers.

This is totally off topic but I saw these guys in concert a few weeks ago in a small theatre in San Antonio. If anyone enjoys this sort of thing and is able, they are worth trying to see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs5iTpgxbm4&list=RDgs5iTpgxbm4&index=1
Another sample:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpAc8BEYyF0

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@randtntx Holy shit, rand, that music is great! I'd like to feature them next week (guess I can't call them Something New. Maybe Something Old.)

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal I agree, the music is pretty darn great. I'm glad you liked it.

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in the original Muppet movie. Always wanted to use it as an audition piece.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryEjm3k6uY0]

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

@detroitmechworks That is wonderful, I love it.

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@detroitmechworks My favorite too. I think this meant a lot to a lot of people in our generation.

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-- Fiver

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@detroitmechworks "We can hold onto love like invisible strings."

Might as well be a statement of Henson's mission.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

with an average adult mass of about 1.8 grams.

it is rather a good deal smaller than the substantially more famous Venetian Shrew.

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@UntimelyRippd Is it related to the Florentine shrew?

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@randtntx
The Venetian Shrew to whom I referred was Katherina (or Katherine, or Kate) from Taming of the Shrew (a play exceeded in its modern controversy only by Two Gentlemen of Verona), who is from Padua in the Venetian Republic or whatever it would have been called. At their greatest extent, the Etruscans did control that part of Italy, but it is not incorporated in modern Tuscany.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
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@UntimelyRippd Well, and then there's The Merchant of Venice.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

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On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
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@UntimelyRippd Heh. Smile

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver