How the hell.
This is the question that has been bugging me since yesterday.
A total of 42 guns were found in the suspected Las Vegas shooter's hotel room and house, police said Monday night.
Las Vegas Police Department Assistant Sheriff Todd R. Fasulo said that 23 guns were found in the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino room where suspected shooter Stephen Paddock fired into a crowd, and 19 were discovered out of his Mesquite, Nevada home.
Multiple loaded high-capacity magazines were found in the hotel room, law enforcement sources said earlier on Monday.
Among the guns and ammunition police found in the room being used by Paddock were some high-powered rifles considered capable of penetrating police armour. There were also some handguns in the room.
A search of Stephen Paddock's home turned up at least 19 additional firearms, explosives and several thousand rounds of ammunition.
At reception did he ask for a bellboy to take up his weapons racks and ammo cases? Watch out for the explosives boxes mind you. Maybe you can now get room service to provide all your firepower needs?
Americans must have become so immunised to weapons that they didn't even register? Apparently, he had been at the Mandalay Bay Hotel for three days, this is an International hotel not some seedy motel in the middle of nowhere. The hotel was opened in 1999, well after the gangster/mob era. Nobody saw nuffin?
Simply stashing and hiding that amount of armament in a hotel room beggers belief. If he barricaded himself in that would also raise some issues, surely? Did he get room service to oil and clean his weapons? Perhaps there is no cleaning staff, or perhaps 'what goes on in Vegas stays in Vegas' is taken absolutely by the management? If you left a rifle outside your room door at night, would they clean it like they do with clothes and shoes, is there a repair service? Dear staff my rifle seems to have jammed, could you please get it repaired for me?
I mean if you have a cigarette in a non-smoking room you'll be harassed and charged. Do they have weapons and non-weapons rooms? Special firearm areas? I suppose the hotel could now advertise in Gun Clutcher and Gun Hugger Magazine, come to Vegas: A weapons rack in every room and special militia rates. Tank parking available. New: RPG supplies for sale at the weapons kiosk. Ammo in the vending machines on every floor.
If you walked into the lobby with a cigarette almost everyone would notice/be appalled, a golf club bag full of long weapons, not so much. That woman must be French, she is holding a smoking cigarette, confine her to the designated areas! [10th or 61st floors only].
You know these days, what with people with beards, you would think there would be someone concious? Nope, one old white bloke with half a ton of military grade hardware, no problem.
Some interesting US guns stats, some I was surpised about.
Not only is the United States the runaway world leader for gun ownership – it also suffers mass shootings at more than 11 times the rate of any other developed country, according to a 2014 study published in the International Journal of Criminal Justice Sciences.
Here are key statistics pertaining to gun ownership and gun violence in the United States, following the attack at a music festival Sunday night in Las Vegas, the country’s most deadliest mass shooting.
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Wounded Knee was still a larger mass killing, but only Injuns.
Did he break down and concealed-carry all those weapons in? How does one recognize someone packing armament? The Fairy Tale is not complete yet.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Metal detectors, hotel security [dogs], try doing that in any
major European Hotel
Many people at c99 recognized this but you said it well
Is it okay to bring to hotel or anywhere else enough military equipment for a military rifle platoon? When does this craziness stop? When do people, like hotel clerks and bellmen, start taking the health of others seriously? More importantly what about those in elective office starting taking the welfare of others seriously?
Look how nicely the MSM, der Drumpf, etc. are taking notice of and care for those whose lives were destroyed (and many lost) in the Caribbean (s/). No, they bitch and moan about the NFL losing money because of the growing affirmation by NFL players of Colin Kaepernick's protest against police brutality. Most of the responses have focused on the flag, not the police brutality which is the actual object of "taking a knee".
It's fucking crazy.
MGM policies
Guns meh
Vegas rules:
Here is another example of focussing on the wrong thing
The subject should be how to prevent recurrences of such murders, rather than nit-pick on subsidiary issues. This is a typical deflection technique, away from the obvious problem.
Does gunsmoke qualify
for deep cleaning fees?
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Perhaps sketchy arms dealers take large numbers of
arms to hotel rooms to sell to equally sketchy clients. This could explain why no one batted an eye at Paddock's arsenal.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Detroit Chief of Police
His lesson learned was that the law prohibiting off-duty cops from carrying weapons into large public facilities like sports arenas and concert venues needs to be repealed. You see, what we need is more guns and more defense. Not fewer guns and a good prevention strategy.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
How many trips to his room did he make?
Did the doormen get tipped for carrying the armament? Or for holding the elevator door for him? The house detectives didn't notice it? Nobody in the parking lot noticed what was in his trunk? None of the security cameras spotted any suspicious activity? Do gun tripods look like camera tripods?
Other hotel guests didn't notice it?
Did we just learn how damn easy mass murder is to pull off?
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I stayed in Vegas recently, two times in two different
high rise hotels for multiple days each. They're packed, people running around like rats, and it's hard to take notice of any one individual and what they're doing. Both times I decided not to have my room made up while I was there so I simply put the no disturb sign up and no one came in during my 3-4 day stay.
Blaming it on hotel staff is difficult for me because I don't particularly want to be searched every time I enter and exit a hotel, or any business for that matter.
The last thing we need is this
to lead to more security theater and real erosion of more civil liberties. I would agree with you Al. I can’t put blame on the hotel staff.
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
That's one of the first things I think of.
It's similar, I think, to what many black Americans experience when violent actions occur, they immediately hope it wasn't a black person who did it. I've seen many say it, "oh I hope it wasn't a brother" or something along those lines. The reason is they don't want to give the "man" any more reason to come down on them.
In that respect, after the initial stunned and sad reaction, that's what I focused on when I wrote what I did, "what comes next". I wasn't referring to what other violent act comes next, but what comes next from our rulers.
This was a terrible tragedy, but I still have to maintain our biggest fear is our own government and those controlling it.
The more authority we cede to "the man"
the less able we will be to regulate ourselves. And the right to legally transport and carry firearms in no way enhances the personal security of anyone. Least of all, the people who actually own guns.
Any effective strategy of self defense would need to be communally based, not individually based. And personal possession of fire arms works to divide and discourage communities, not to unite and strengthen them. Carrying a gun is not a courageous thing to do, it is a paranoid thing to do. Big difference there. Those who believe that effective self defense is a matter of threatening deadly retaliation, are really barking up the wrong tree.
native
This is what happened next for other hotel guests
Santa Clara woman on same hotel floor as Las Vegas shooter recalls horror: ‘I turned out the lights’
This article is about a woman who was staying at the hotel on the same floor as the shooter. She describes what she did after she heard the shots and her colleagues told her what was happening.
This isn't what caught my eye though. It was this:
Yes the police had to make sure that he was the only shooter, but did that give them the right to do this to other guests? This is the same type of thing that happened after the Boston bombings when SWAT went into a town close by and told people to leave their homes and they went inside to check for the persons.
The problem I have with both events is that people's rights were violated without probable cause and no warrant to do this. Was this legal? What if someone didn't allow them to search their rooms and houses? I think I know what would have happened.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
@snoopydawg Short answer is
Short answer is that exigent circumstances - reasonable suspicion of imminent danger - does give the police the right to enter private premises as I understand.
The most common case I suspect is 'hot pursuit' when they chase a suspect into a home.
But it also applies if they think someone is hurt like hearing a scream, or there's a threat.
They have auto detection at major venues. I dont blame the
staff, I blame the whole gun culture and profiling idiocy.
Cleaning staff saw nothing
At least according to whatever show was on as partial background noise after (?) Jimmy Kimmel last night. Would have been ABC. Cleaned the room at least once.
I'm not going to blame the staff either. Can you imagine what they see, and are required to say nothing about? Especially with high rollers in suites. I do wonder if there was a gun show scheduled in Vegas around the same time though.
Also, the smoke detection system aided cops in location of exact floor and they heard the weapons fire from the hallway, outside the room. They were wearing cams, apparently.
Jimmy K get's it so correct, he's making
a fan outta me with his stands on humanity.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruYeBXudsds&feature=youtu.be]
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Agreed. Thanks for posting that clip
We don't ever watch tv talk shows and such, so I'd never have seen that. I've heard his name a lot and seen a few other clips I think, but he's never really registered with me before.
It also helped me understand the quips I was seeing everywhere yesterday deriding the "thoughts and prayers" line. Because I guess Trump said it, and some other republicans. So now it's ok for a minute to point out how hollow and useless that is. Without getting jumped on, I mean.
I'm pretty sure president Obama and other democrats also stepped up with their "thoughts and prayers" following similar tragedies, but then it was considered bad form to say BFD, your god does nothing, this is a problem that people can and should correct.
So maybe it's better to have Republicans in office. Then we can take them to task and shame them for such useless response. Like Kimmel did so well in that clip.
So good for him and he's a warm and touching speaker. (Better than Jon Stewart was, even at his best back in the day.) But will it matter? What will it take to change the laws, and/or the 2nd amendment, to stop at least some of the insanity? Like with so many other issues, universal healthcare, stopping the wars, basic income for all, I just have totally lost any hope of it ever getting better.
I heard it when my daughter was playing it
for generally like you I hardly watch the boob tube
anymore.
As for answers to your questions, I'm lost as to give you
any, hope and changey zero robbed the people of that, quite
treasonous in my book as all of our recent leaders are.
We live in a country where when it come's to anything that's
god for the people "the time isn't right" or "don't give up
good in the search for perfection", but for some reason tptb
keep harping on the fact that we are "exceptional".
I'm sure both in LV across the US and throughout the world there
lies a much different perception.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Why is this bad form?
I too feel this same way when I hear people say that. There were 3 girls from Utah who were at the concert and one of them said that
and this is why they feel they were saved. Doesn't that mean that Angels picked and chose which people to save? Were the people who died not as blessed as these girls?
I do understand why they felt that way. I was in a horrific motorcycle accident when I was 18. The bike ended up on my face and broke my jaw in 5 places, fractured my left orbital bone and the kickstand fractured my skull above my ear. After I healed from this, I too thought about how lucky I had been. My head injury could have been much worse. I could have been in a vegetative state or I could have died. I have always acknowledged how very lucky I was to survive it without long term damage. I suffer from memory problems and anger issues and had many problems with my teeth, but other than that, I am okay. For quite some time, I thought that Gawd was looking out for me that day. No one knows if there is some type of divine intervention, but I don't think so. How could one pick and choose who lives and who dies?
This is especially true when it comes to children who suffer heinous abuses. What type of Gawd could sit back and watch that happen?
Then there's the people who say that Gawd helped them make a touchdown or help one team win the game. Does this mean that he's a Packers fan if they won the super bowl and the other team didn't?
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
The god thing...
I'm with you. When this stuff happens and people immediately want to claim their god was watching over them, I can't help but think "why did your god let this happen to begin with?" I don't have an issue with religion in theory. I understand it is something that gives people comfort and meaning. But, for instance, when I have people explain to me climate change can't be real because it's "arrogant" to think man can destroy what god has created (this is an actual conversation I've had) we've crossed over into using religion as a magic panacea. This is why we get "thoughts and prayers" but never action when stuff like this happens. God will sort it out, right?
Idolizing a politician is like believing the stripper really likes you.
@ggersh Great talk by Jimmy.
Great talk by Jimmy.
If I was a night owl I would watch Jimmy after listening to that. It took courage for him to say all that. Plus a bit risky, but I guess the Gun Nuts wouldn't be regular viewers anyway.
Sad to see Susan Collins on that rogues photo gallery kissing the NRAs ass.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
I count 56 of them assholes
at about $50K each (a guess) the NRA buys
them on the cheap.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Jimmy Kimmel
Very movingly argues for common sense in response to yet another mass murder by automatic weapons. But he's asking the wrong question when he poses it as "why" wouldn't we address these senseless acts of violence with common sense legislation?
It's difficult to believe he doesn't know the answer to that question. More likely he knows but cannot say that the reason "we" cannot address these violent acts with legislation is because our representatives are being paid by the NRA not to address it and frankly don't give a fuck as long as their family is safe. Or that the reason "we" cannot make our voices heard loud enough is because the media is paid to distract and divide us so that we are fighting each other along party and ideological lines.
Now if he could say that, and we could have a conversation about that on TV, we would at least be addressing the real "why" this happens, and the real "why" it will continue to happen.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
Sorry, but it seems to me he addresses that.
around the 4 minute mark.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
I'm sorry I did not hear him
say that the NRA is funding legislation in a system that no longer works for the people. Maybe it's clear to you those are the connections he's making but to my ears, he seems to be having a conversation we've already had before. While he's genuine in his concern and I can sense his devastation and anger, the discussion is being limited to the NRA and the legislators who enable them, which in addition to sounding familiar, also whiffs a bit of "a few bad apples" are distorting the democratic process, when in point of fact, we actually have no democratic process.
Words are powerful and I personally would give a standing ovation to anyone with his megaphone who flashpointed a discussion about the senseless violence of this tragedy into a larger more accurate corollary of why our Democratic and Republican representatives are not protecting us by explicitly saying that the REASON we keep having more gun violence, the REASON fraking companies are contaminating our potable water, the REASON companies like Monsanto are poisoning our food is because the mechanism to protect us is corrupted. It isn't just the NRA that is corrupting the system, and it isn't just those legislators that are corrupting the system, and it isn't just the media that's corrupting the system, it is the ENTIRE system that is corrupted.
But he can't really say that on television and keep his job at a broadcasting company that actually profits from our ignorance. So he said what he could. Except it's not enough to spur a national conversation about what all of us in the crosshairs of this insanity should be having: that our representatives don't want to protect us because it's not profitable for them to do so.
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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
AMEN.
Too many people fail to understand, or refuse to see, this root cause of all our problems.
I feel like that could be an essay
In itself. The psychology of why so many of us don't want to see what is plainly in front of us.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I read a comment about this that is as long as an essay
I have permission from the person who wrote it to post it. This thread is too old for it to get proper exposure though. Hopefully I'll have the chance in another essay. It talks about the problems people are having in this country and what they are doing to us.,
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
I agree 110% about the absence of a democratic process
but then we haven't had a representative
government for quite some time and I would argue that
since raygun the slippery slope of a oligarchy takeover
a fascist takeover a corporate takeover a CIA/MIC
takeover or some mix and match of those mentioned
has occurred, we the people have no say in our republic
and haven't for quite some time.
Now how we go about getting our govt. of, by, for the
people back outside of some revolution albeit peacefully
hopefully or with violence not so hopefully is above my
paygrade.
Whether or not we agree on JK I believe we agree on what's
going on in this country and still JK has mentioned more
about that then most in his position have.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
I don't disagree
With Jimmy Kimmel. My comment was more an observation on how in our powerlessness we seek solice where we can find it. Understandable given the situation. And Jimmy Kimmel isn't different from the rest of us that way. But my mind keeps drifting away, and in some far off corner, screaming out loud that it just isn't enough anymore.
There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier
I can say w/certainty, you aren't alone
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Still...
These were rifles. Gun cases look like gun cases. I can't say I've ever noticed anyone in a hotel carrying a gun case, seems like someone would notice. Maybe he packed them into a golf bag?
More than likely the tripods were small, like 18 inches, could fit into any container.
Nobody is going to pay any attention to a gun case in your trunk. This is America, everyone has a gun case in the trunk.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Nothing unusual about people carting big cases of
stuff around major hotels like this -- e.g., gear for a booth at a product convention.
So, I'm not surprised that nobody noticed or cared about this one guy hauling case after case up to his room, especially given that he was a high roller.
I wonder whether we'll ever know what his deal was. You don't do something like this for no purpose at all. How can a man who has been so fortunate -- a classic "winner" of the American ratrace -- be so full of hate towards everybody else?
I cannot relate, at all, not even a little, not even with the supertanker full of hate that I have for Dick Cheney and Scott Walker and all such murderous anti-human scum.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Right.
I managed a few trade show booths for a Fortune 100 company. My hotel room was wall to wall boxes.
And lest we forget, the Army Navy Military Expo is held annually in Las Vegas -- a massive convention center filled with guns.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
I was going to make a similar comment
If the guns were packed into boxes or cases that appeared to be equipment for musicians or videography, or trade show materials, no one would be surprised to see him bring them in or to see the boxes or containers in his room.
According to the hotel, cleaning staff did visit the suite at least once during his stay and did not report anything unusual so he must have kept the weapons in boxes or containers.
The most recent report that I have read said that Paddock had 23 weapons in his room at the hotel and another eighteen or so at his home. My question is why would one lone gunman need that many weapons if he was the only one shooting?
There are a lot of things that simply do not add up for me right now.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Yes, there are several things
about this affair that don't "add up".
Maybe they will, once more information becomes available. Or maybe they won't.
native
Shooter's girlfriend now person of interest
At least according to the cop speaking at a press conference an hour or so ago.
Also said there were multiple cameras set up inside and outside the room.
Also said a large sum of money was sent to Philippines (?).
Also showed pic of a rifle on a tripod sitting on floor under window. It was a small tripod, not like one for a camera. It's not for propping up a firearm while standing and having weapon at eye level. More like prone position. He likely set it on window sill. And, it's small, so easy to conceal.
You are right
things don't make sense. I do think we will get a little more information, I don't think we'll get the whole story.
The total number of weapons isn't over the top. Any gun owner may have 10-20. This guy was comfortably well off, could afford two private planes, he could easily have accumulated 40 over a lifetime. Doesn't explain the explosives they found - maybe a plan that he later abandoned?
Why bring that many to the hotel? He clearly wasn't planning on surviving, so anything that might have been of use he brought along. I haven't heard that he used more than one of them, maybe a second if he indeed killed himself. He had two scoped rifles set up, but apparently didn't use them.
The whole incident doesn't make sense. I vaguely recall some conspiracy theory from the 80s or 90s about the CIA being able to turn people into assassin robots. Probably rubbish, but this really sounds so out of character for this guy that it makes me wonder. Or maybe he maintained a secret life until the very end.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
i talked to a friend of mine who once made a living
gambling, and he said he recognized the "type" as soon as he saw a photo of the dude with drink in one hand and his other arm wrapped around some eye candy. such folk invest their egos in their self-perception as winners -- enough so that part of my friend's technique for taking their money away from them was to physically shrink at the table, thus feeding their delusional self-impression of power and dominance. one plausible hypothesis, he thinks, is that a prolonged losing streak created a dissonance-based sense of rage, not because the guy couldn't financially afford to lose, but because he couldn't psychologically afford to lose.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Ohhh, excellent take, UR!
Edit to add: Reminds me of a certain person, um with a certain propensity for tweeting about losers or mentioning budgets at a disaster site.
@gulfgal98
And I wonder if we'll ever hear any of the actual facts of the matter.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Have we forgotten the Vegas shopping cart killers so soon?
How long ago was it? Twp years? A man and his wife push a shopping cart full of guns and ammo down the sidewalk (because, I guess, they didn't have a car) to a shopping mall in Vegas. Nobody called the police and said, "Uh, hey, dudes are pushing shopping carts full of rifles down my sidewalk." Then they rolled the shopping cart into the mall in front of security guqrds and Vegas police officers who didn't bat an eye. "Oh look, weird people pushing a shopping cart full of guns past the Orange Julius. How normal."
Then they opened fire on the people in the mall, and if I remember correctly, even killed some of those bored cops.
I can't find a link to the story because it's all Vegas Massacre in the news today. Maybe somebody else can find it and post a link.
So, to answer your question, Feminista, YES, people in Nevada are so used to crazy people with guns preparing to kill people, they don't even notice it. Hell, I'm starting to not notice it. "Another fucking Vegas massacre, whatever, what do they expect, anyway?"
"Bi-polar? I'm Bi-winning!!!" -- Charlie Sheen
Yeah, I remember those two kids.
They were thrown out of the Bundy Ranch standoff. Described as to violence prone. IIRC.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Bundy ranch rejects killed the cops at Vegas CiCi's pizza
In 2014. Found nothing about shopping cart, but only scanned the article. Went to Wal-Mart after killing the cops who were eating lunch.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2652306/BREAKING-As-five-people-...
Found some articles once I knew their names.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/vegas-cop-killers/two-cops-three-other...
It's the arsenal in a shopping pushcart that gets me. Yeah, you would think somebody would alert authorities about something that weird. Maybe if it had been a cute beagle with a handgun in its mouth they would have taken more notice.
"Bi-polar? I'm Bi-winning!!!" -- Charlie Sheen
I travel a lot for work...
I was at Mandalay Bay a few weeks ago.
Getting guns into a hotel room is no problem and likely not a violation of hotel policy, the gaming commission or any other group that has jurisdiction. Mandalay Bay has a large conference center. This guy could have marked the gun cases exhibit materials and he would have got all the bellmen in the place to lug it around for him. He probably gets special attention as he is a gambler according to his brother. Gamblers are treated like royalty in Vegas.
Vegas also is home of the automatic weapon shooting ranges. You can shoot fully automatic guns and even crush a car with an Abrams tank for $2500 at "Battlefield Vegas". What fun ! This city is the epitome of wastefulness and greed all wrapped in a family friendly candy coating.
This country is very ill. It's truly despicable what that white terrorist did in Las Vegas...but I no longer get surprised by these things.
What a world
Bringing in 20 guns to a hotel isn't illegal,but smoking in non smoking rooms is and anyone caught doing so will have to pay a huge fine. This country has some very screwed up priorities, don't you think? Jeebus.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
I'd think the fact that Republican Congresspeople
were, a few months ago, themselves a target of a crazy guy with assault rifles, would make them reflect a little more on their agenda of placing the greed of a few oligarchs above all other concerns. What a bunch of pathetic, spineless, amoral, sycophants.
Beware the bullshit factories.
The congress member who got shot
was on tv and spouting the republican line. Even a close brush with death by a person with gun isn't enough to change some people's minds.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
The cigarette alarm is how they found the shooter
Apparently gun smoke set off the room alarm, otherwise he could have gone on longer. That could be b.s. I read online, did not verify.
We are awash in guns, control is out of the question in my view. I don't know the answer, my neighbors have guns, everyone has guns. People think they need them.
peace
I was not blaming staff at all.
I just think there is no procedure for them to report stuff like this.
The points made about increased police surveillance are well made and well taken. I believe that is just a given now. I am thinking about hotel protocols, which La Feminista discusses with the comparison to cigarette policing by hotels.
We will find out how me got them into his room, and if nothing else, maybe hotel staff will instructed on what procedures to take.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
I sort of was last night
Other patrons as well. Then again, like you just said, what do you say and to whom? I can't blame the people around the shooter unless they absolutely knew something but did nothing.
Will the Mandalay set a precident now, and declare the entire property a gun-free zone? If so, they should prepare to be boycotted a la NFL. If that happens, will they then cave? Ugh
Apparently he also stuck cameras on the walls outside the
room.
I find it hard to believe nobody noticed anything or were told to shut up if they did.
Cameras might have been small
Wonders of modern technology. I wonder if they'll give us details. A bluetooth webcam powered by batteries taped to the ceiling might not be noticeable, particularly if it was painted to match.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
In the style of Chuck Palahniuk:
When decisions are made with regards to political positions, there is a very simple formula.
Take the number of dollars a politician will receive to be opposed to a problem and openly speak against it.
Multiply that by the number of years that problem takes to be resolved.
This will give you a figure.
If this number is less than the amount you would get by ignoring the problem and receiving payments from lobbyists...
You don't even try to fix the problem.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I thought he had around 10
I thought he had around 10 rifles in his hotel?
It wouldn't be that hard to get them up in multiple trips in luggage.
Damn I'm good!
From Huffpost
I thought it sounded like a bump stock.
EDIT:
From The Guardian
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
"This person may have been radicalised" Ding!
huh, "unbeknownst". Bummer.
good luck
On a positive note (I guess)
I have yet to see a Daily Kos diary blaming the shooting on Bernie Sanders . . .
I guess this shocked all the pie out of everyone. Nothing will shock Congress or their gun grabber handlers. But still. Expect liberal sprinklings of "ThoughtsnPrayers" until the next one.
@SancheLlewellyn
Wait for it - sooner or later he'll likely turn out to be a supporter of that Russian Commie spy, Sanders.
But it will all be through anonymous authorities on the subject, unable to reveal Top Secret documents or any other claimed proof, purportedly due to National Security concerns somehow not exhibited in any other areas...
Unless they're torn between blaming him or Trump...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Well, Trump shares the blame by creating the atmosphere
for acts like this to take place. But the NRA thrives on mass shootings. Scared people buy even more guns.