Military Madness

Hello c99%. And a fine fall day it is (least in S. New England) weather-wise. Wish I could say something more positive than giving a weather report. There is not much good in the news. There have been several interesting essays written on this blog. But my spirits are not up above the horizon enough to assemble a decently encouraging entry. I guess y'all will have to come up with something worth discussing in this open thread, as life is demanding my time away from here.

Have been looking at the worldbeyondwar.org site lately. The global approach to peace slant is good. It may take a world-wide effort to shut down the war machines. Fighting for peace seems like a paradox.

Taking heart in the progressive views of many good political writers such as Debbie Lusignan, Caitlyn Johnstone, Teodrose Fikre, Lee Camp, Russell Brand et.al. At least there are voices of sanity out in the jungles of crazy!

Hope you all can find some good in this world today. Smile

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QMS's picture

Catalonia is showing the world how to declare independence! Yeah! Break up the state. And the Kurds are fighting for their own identity. Show us how it's done, maybe we can do something similar with our states or regions. Aggressive

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Alligator Ed's picture

@QMS Perfect example is the balkanization of the Balkan states. Since Tito died, numerous religious and territorial wars have erupted in the region. Petty dictators now replace the grand dictator Tito. Without having any concrete support for the following statement, I think subdivisions of stable countries lead to greater factional fighting; cloaked in whatever disguises or excuses may be invented.

The original New World Order dreamt about for the League of Nations was ending hostilities between countries and allowing free interchange of travel and international cordiality of relations. Now the Greed Monsters perverted this noble idea of peace into one of rampant, indiscriminate pillaging of the many in favor of the few. This seed of greed has always been present. Empires rise and fall throughout history. Ours is no exception. We are hastening our own demise through unwise and often brutal policies.

Example of weakening the social fabric is the short-sighted, bottom-line oriented unaffordability of post-secondary education. Student loans become so burdensome as to prevent the recipients of such loans to repay them for many years, if ever. The high cost of education plus the diminishing prospect of jobs in the chosen field dissuades many from even attempting higher education, despite having both talent and desire for greater knowledge. In this we see a gradual "dumbing down" of the population, which in the past few decades has begun at primary grade levels. An uneducated population cannot sustain itself to high degrees of technological function. In this the US is failing miserably.

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dance you monster's picture

@Alligator Ed @Alligator Ed

. . . ends hostilities between countries and allows free travel across borders, I'm inclined to think that small countries, even petty dictators that some of those would harbor, can do less damage than one big country or Grand Dictator. Smaller entities would have fewer material or manpower resources for war. For peace they'd have greater incentive, moreover, to work with each other to obtain resources that any one small country would lack. The big countries have everything they need to obliterate any entity that resisted domination.

The problem is, the big countries we have now are thus those most able to resist devolution into smaller nations. Which is why we are having this discussion.

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@dance you monster is in part breaking things down into manageable chunks. I agree with you dym. It's relative, but 10% going off in another direction leaves the other 90% weaker. Concentration of wealth, power, media and military might are not in favour of the many diverse groups working for change. Shatter the monopolies and the big monsters don't look so intimidating.

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@QMS

Monopolies and superpowers are perfectly manageable for those in charge. Not for those governed. That's part of our problem: the big PTB have the organization and means to quell any dissent.

As for 10% making the other 90% weaker, is it more effective for 90% to spend much of its time and energies keeping the 10% in line (through propaganda or force), thus also keeping that 10% subject to a rule and purpose that does it harm or at the least denies it benefit, or for the two to separate and each concentrate on its own agenda?

The monopolies, the big monsters, and the grand nations can easily be argued to be effectively in this world one and the same.

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@dance you monster
I don't discount smaller is better. Is the State of Jefferson a legitimate goal? What if California (5th largest economy globally) went independent?
Would that starve the Federal military machine?
Do the Oligarchs have enough wealth to own and operate our military without any tax revenue from working people?
If we could figure out how to starve the Federal military of money we may have a chance at regaining control of our government.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

QMS's picture

@earthling1 what I was trying to formulate at least nationally. Think of the consequences if California took control of the affairs within their own borders. Kick out the defence contractors (defcon) or at least criminalise their trade. Use universities and worthwhile companies to invest in-state improvements. Prove to the other states (and the world) that becoming independent means charting a sustainable course, a survival response for the citizens vested. It will be a fight, no doubt. I see a smaller state like NM or VT getting there first. Once a pattern of self reliance is an acceptable alternative, more regionally defined populations will see the sense in it.

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@dance you monster In the days of trust busting Teddy Roosevelt, trusts (monopolies) were broken up, ending the robber baron era. Those trusts then re-aggregated to form monopolies (their true nature), largely with different names. Do you think it now possible for another trust buster to repeat with the even richer and more powerful monopolies of today?

A recent example: the breakup of ATT into 6 smaller companies. Over just a few years 4 of the original 6 pieces of Ma Bell re-aggregated. Despite Verizon, ATT is back, bigger than ever.

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@Alligator Ed

I don't think we have the power to break up the monopolies by legislative or regulatory means, because I don't think it likely that we'll be permitted to elect anyone who'd break them up. Obama (elected to the WH) didn't break up the banks; Sanders (not elected to the WH) is unable.

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@dance you monster @dance you monster you are describing things from the rulers perspective. I'm trying to describe it for ours (meaning the non-rulers).

Monopolies and superpowers are perfectly manageable for those in charge. Not for those governed. That's part of our problem: the big PTB have the organization and means to quell any dissent.

Break it down. If the rulers don't have a monopoly on people brains, (which they don't), then free thought is still a viable alternative. We are able to rule ourselves without the help of the managerial class. Ignore the propaganda and think for yourself. You may find the answers are not that difficult to come by. And perhaps they make more sense than the rulers' mouthpieces would have us believe.

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@QMS

free thought is still a viable alternative.

Free thought means diddly if you can't communicate it to others to achieve a mass movement. We don't have the media to do that, and that was intentional on their part.

We are able to rule ourselves without the help of the managerial class.

Show me where that's happening.

Ignore the propaganda and think for yourself.

I think that's what I'm doing.

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@dance you monster sorry I was unclear, meaning was in the general population. if the revolution becomes a thing, where does the managerial class go? have to join the workers, Id guess.

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It's hard to say where we should turn. All paths go straight uphill, at least that is what decades of propaganda instruct us to believe. A bleak morning. My dog is sofa-ing. I have a weird swollen spot above my knee. Back for a reset.

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Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.

Sorry to get it on you all but this is front page news here. There's a lot of money, people like to travel and spend it on parties. We vacationed every year in (northern) Nevada when I was growing up, camping at Lake Tahoe. "That's the system."
Sonoma County locals shaken after mass shooting at Las Vegas concert

“It was a massacre,” said Jennifer McGrath of Sebastopol, a real estate broker who was with her husband Justin and friends Schubert and Joel Wahl, of Petaluma. “I don’t know how we survived. Everybody who got shot was within 100 feet of us. We were right in the fire.”

The foursome were in a VIP area, nearing the end of a long weekend of music, Vegas fun and friendship.

Schubert heard “popping sounds” and feared gunfire. Her companions assured her it was fireworks. Screams started as the popping continued. Jennifer McGrath’s husband, owner of JW McGrath Auctions, pushed her to the ground and said, “stay down.”

So now I wonder why the VIP area. I want answers. Wtf is happening? Is MSM worth looking at, or is it just blah blah blah CRISIS! I don't venture out too far when it gets like this.

good luck

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enhydra lutris's picture

@eyo
might be as simple as the configuration of the room. It appears that he might have been using a bump stock. So, standing, using the side window frame as support assist, or sitting and using the side, bottom or corner, it may have been the area most easily target for the purpose of laying down a quasi concentrated field of fire. I'm pretty sure that it will all be guesswork from here on in, barring a surprise discovery of some sort since his brother and, seemingly, also his lady friend, haven't been able to cast any light on the matter.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

@enhydra lutris in the absence of facts, have a wild imagination. Prone. It is really strange nobody knows anything about why he did it. No 66 year old can be that blank, come on.

Now I'll worry that any josephine anywhere can just go off and have a singular massacre attack, whenever where ever. /worrier princess

goal achieved

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@enhydra lutris
that he was somewhat wealthy, a whale in Vegas parlance. Could involve the loss of a large sum of money, either through the "high end hostess" or bad divorce settlement. To some people, losing money is a traumatic experience.
To me, water is life. To some people it's money.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

Alligator Ed's picture

@eyo You can believe your lying eyes but not a single word those mofo's say.

Aggressive

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QMS's picture

@Alligator Ed sound off with the stereo on. makes so much more sense! Doesn't hurt the brain and is actually funny in a very dark way...

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@eyo

...So now I wonder why the VIP area. ...

Got room for one more in the 'wondering' area, or is it already packed full?

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

enhydra lutris's picture

specific one. We tend to look at the issue in generalized terms, it is or is not a good thing, because ... . In so doing we bring along a ton of personal, cultural and historical frames of references. We also tend to focus on a particular person or entity "for whom" it is or is not a good thing. (The world, world peace, world economic justice, the departing group, the remaining group, other minorities within the departing or remaining group, and the like.)

We are aware of the trouble caused by artificial boundaries creating artificial nation states, and cannot avoid noticing that these seem aggravated in the case of artificial boundaries imposed by outside powers, such as in the case of the Sykes-Picot agreement.

We need also to consider the local historical particulars. The Catalans, iirc, were never a good, comfortable fit with respect to unified Spain. (I note that the press claims that the police sent to suppress the elections were sourced from carefully selected areas where anti-Catalan prejudice runs high.) The Catalans were, as I recall, a special sub-case during the Spanish Civil War, among other things, but I believe that their discontent goes back much further. (They have their own language, which is never a good sign.) A big chunk of Spain was united via the marriage of Ferdinand and Isabella. One doesn't know if their subjects were happy being their subjects, and the uniformity of those two cultures themselves, but it seems as if they would have already been but one kingdom had the people already been sympatico ethnically, linguistically, culturally, etc., if only through trade, intermarriage, clan kinship and the like.

Isabella's throne (Castile) was controversial, there had even been a war over her placement there. She and Ferdinand (Aragorn) were to unify Spain, drive out heretics and conquer and expel the moors. Meanwhile, Catalonia was originally "unified" into Aragorn, on its eastern fringe, and given some autonomy and the use of its own language under the Count of Barcelona (ah, the plot thickens) when the Franks and Aragorn teamed up to drive out the Visigoths. So they went from Roman to Visigoth "governance" to a fringe inclusion on the eastern border of Aragorn to a fringish inclusion on the eastern border of the unified Spain. Then there was at least on rebellion, and the War of Spanish Succession and somewhere in there they lost much of their official right to use their language and all that and became just "Spaniards" (uh, huh)

Then there was the Civil War and their brief period as a successful independent socialist enclave, and some modern independence movements once Franco was gone.

But - Barcelona. Were it not for Barcelona, and their location on the Mediterranian, they would've probably been allowed to leave long ago, but Barcelona is a big thing. Would Spain be better off without Barcelona? Shit no. Is that Catalonia's concern? Shit no. What is most beneficial for the EEC, global trade and tourism, world peace? Quien sabe? Is that a concern of either Spain or the Catalans? Shit no.

So, like the Balkans are unique, and the middle east, and Canada, etc. this is a unique case and one has to decide who should be the focus of concern. Once upon a time, a principle of national determination by plebescite was bandied about. Under any such rule, Barcelona would be a free and independent state.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@enhydra lutris but the times, they are a changing. Once was a series of circumstances, which you described very well, and now we have something different. So the concerns and causes have a different focus. Catalonia may have some issues with Spain going way back. The point is now they have said enough. This isn't about the EU or global control as much as it is a regionalised people that perceive a better future without the help of the larger union, imo.

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@QMS
such as efficiency, economies of scale, vertical and horizontal integration of production, tariffs and such is the whole socio-cultural nation state model. In my opinion, of course.

One can imagine a geographic area full of subdivisions, each largely home to a particular ethno-cultural group, each with its individual history, and, very likely, with historical beefs, grudges and other differences among them.

They could decide to form a large, republican or democratic union, working cooperatively and with respect for each other to maximize their enjoyment of life, well being and personal fulfillment equally for all. That would be a mother of a chore, but arguably they would all benefit, and everybody would get the opportunity to enjoy all the products of their diversity as well as the cross pollinisation that would occur. Can today's humans pull that off?

Otherwise, they form various lesser states, perhaps one each, or maybe some one each and some a small non-coerced combinations. They then could:
1) Form some loose confederation dedicated to peaceful resolution of disputes and to maximizing well being and all that or
2) Remain fiercely independent, though perhaps entering into some specific purpose treaties selectively between and among some or all participants.

Should they pick #2, how soon would they devolve into a cacaphony of warring states? It is this threat of some sort of mass of warring states that is the real problem and issue. "Balkanization" would not have the overtones and connotations that it does had all of the Balkan states got along fabulously well with each other and worked cooperatively on larger projects and found mutually beneficial ways of sharing resources, etc. We, of course, do not expect that and hence abjure the formation of such independent enclaves.

Lacking full integration that involves both respect for but also mutual enjoyment and appreciation of cultural differences, the real problem is conflict and conflict resolution. Centuries of history have led us to assume that the solution is ever more and more inclusive governing bodies, which always seem to tend to a strong executive model, and yet the Swiss Federation would appear to show us a different model that is both viable and sustainable.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@enhydra lutris my thinking is that an internal affair would have a much different outcome.

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@QMS
I recall a lot of migrations through the area (Eastern Roman Empire)then Byzantium, constantly changing countries, empires and boundaries, plus the Khans. After that The Ottoman Empire had much of it, the Holy Roman Empire some, and Hungary some, but I've never had any feel for things like, to what extent, though subsumed within all those various boundaries, were the Serbs ever really anybody's subjects.

The boundaries, though, and the existence or non-existence of various nation states would seem to be definitely strongly (predominantly?)impacted by external affairs.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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@QMS
a free and independent state, but I meant Catalonia. They should be free to leave, and though they really should need no historical justification, I think that the history lends power to their claim, they never were nor never really have been "Spanish".

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

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We (meaning others) are still fighting medieval wars. There will be another dark age; we may have already entered it. Grim out there.

JtC: did anyone get together to do a phone tree or other ways of reaching out when there is a time slide? Any insurance now would Be Good.

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