NY Times Blames Russia for NFL/Trump Anthem Dispute - Congressional Hearings Scheduled

You might have been under the impression that the brouhaha over NFL players protesting during the national anthem was caused by Trump's stupid tweets, but trust me the NY Times knows better than you. Once again Russia's to blame.

A network of Twitter accounts suspected of links to Russia were used this weekend to stoke the controversy over whether NFL players should stand for pregame performances of the national anthem, The New York Times reported late Wednesday. The accounts pushed both sides of the debate, using hashtags such as #boycottnfl, #standforouranthem and #takeaknee, the newspaper reported. [...]

Researchers at the Alliance for Securing Democracy have been monitoring 600 Twitter accounts they have linked to Russian influence operations. Those accounts, operated by human users and suspected bots alike, pushed the opposing messages surrounding the NFL and the playing of the national anthem, researchers said.

Six hundred Twitter accounts - that obviously are under the control of Putin - are destroying America. Just take the word of a bunch of former Bush, Obama and Clinton neocons. The Times does.

Unfuckingbelievablke! (Yes that's a word or it should be). I heard about this on NPR while driving home this afternoon. No evidence is presented in the Times article regarding the validity of these new "Russia did it again" allegations. No, the Times' reporters simply takes the word of a shadowy new organization, the Alliance for Securing Democracy, which is the sole source of their report. This patriotic non-profit organization just happened to be created in July of this year. And guess what? The people behind it are the usual suspects. Take a gander at the allegedly bipartisan "Alliance for Securing Democracy," the NY Times source for this McCarthyist twaddle:

The Alliance for Securing Democracy is a national security advocacy group, that describes itself as a bipartisan transatlantic initiative, with a stated mission of countering what it describes as an "unprecedented attack" on United States democracy by Russia. The alliance is chaired and run primarily by former senior United States intelligence and State Department officials. Its daily operations are led by Laura Rosenberger, a former senior State Department official in the Obama administration, and Jamie Fly, former national security counselor to Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.)

The membership of the advisory council has been described by the Washington Post as "a who's who of former senior national security officials from both [the Democratic and Republican] parties." The Intercept, an adversarial journalism site, notes the influence of neoconservatives in the Alliance for Securing Democracy. Advisory council member William Kristol and one of the two day-to-day directors, Jamie Fly, have previously cooperated closely on neoconservative causes. The other director, Laura Rosenberger, served as a foreign policy adviser to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and was chief of staff to two Obama national security officials.

William Kristol and people affiliated with Obama, Clinton and Marco Rubio? What a surprise! Here's their mission statement for you, if you had any doubt about their "bipartisan" agenda:

The Alliance for Securing Democracy, a bipartisan, transatlantic initiative housed at The German Marshall Fund of the United States (GMF), will develop comprehensive strategies to defend against, deter, and raise the costs on Russian and other state actors’ efforts to undermine democracy and democratic institutions. The Alliance will work to publicly document and expose Vladimir Putin’s ongoing efforts to subvert democracy in the United States and Europe.

Sounds eerily similar to the Morgan Freeman video released by the also newly formed Committee to Investigate Russia, doesn't it? And their agenda apparently includes federal regulation of the internet, which the national cyber-security expert interviewed by NPR's anchor this afternoon stated was necessary to defend us against the evil Russians and their new "cold war" propaganda campaign to rip apart the fabric of our society, even to the extent of inciting Americans react with violence against one another (yes, he actually said as much) Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook has already been put on notice that Congress is coming for him.

The push to regulate Facebook is on in earnest in Washington, DC—and the company seems resigned to the idea that more oversight is inevitable.

Two Senate Democrats are circulating a letter on Capitol Hill, hoping to drum up support for a bill that would make the social-media giant disclose more information about who is buying political ads on its platform and whom those ads target. Quartz has seen a copy of the letter, dated Sept. 21 and signed by Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and Mark Warner of Virginia. “Facebook now seems to realize there is a major gap in transparency and accountability for digital ads,” it reads.

Asked about the letter, a spokesperson for Facebook said that the company is “open to reviewing any specific congressional proposals.”

The Times article notes with glee that Twitter is about to receive the same treatment, and as a result both social media giants are asking for the help of the US Intelligence community to ferret out all the "fake News" bad guys.

“I think right now the public is aware of only a subset of a subset of Russian activity online,” [Representative Adam Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee] said in an interview. He said Facebook long denied that there had been Russian exploitation of its system, before reversing course on Sept. 6.

Mr. Schiff said the tech companies have asked for assistance from American intelligence agencies in trying to find and stop illicit interference from other countries, a request he said he supports.

The House Intelligence Committee announced on Wednesday that it would hold a public hearing on the matter of Russian influence next month, and a Senate aide said Facebook, Twitter and Google have been invited to testify at a Senate Intelligence Committee hearing on Nov. 1.

Gee, I can't imagine what Facebook, Twitter and our alphabet soup of intelligence agencies could gin up to justify censorship by Congressal legislation that could impact individuals and websites that dare to post Fake News rather than the official authorized narrative we receive from our "trusted" media sources like the NY Times, The Washington Post and, of course, the compliant broadcasters at NPR.

The US is ever more rapidly resembling the world George Orwell envisioned in 1984. He just had the year wrong. Should have called it "2017."

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I just finished the Greenwald article and sent that on to friends. I hope they read that, this is very bad. Hillary's fucking revenge on the Internet too, it's what took her down after all.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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@lizzyh7 I feel nauseated when I hear about this stuff now. You can't believe how matter of fact the NPR anchor just swallowed the bait on this story hook line and sinker and talked as if regulating the internet is a good thing.

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@Steven D along with my heart rate and I know my blood pressure goes up a bit. Chilling. Absolutely rage inducing too. I suppose it is the rage that drives up the pressure.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

@lizzyh7 McCarthyism took six years to run its course. I would like to see some more polls in a few months to see if regular Americans see Russia as the major issue. Past polls indicate that people don't give a shit about Russia.

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@MrWebster with your remark how interesting it might be to hear what my rabidly anti-commie mom and dad would have to say. They never quite got over their McCarthyism in that respect, ALWAYS "warned" us of the commie threat. To watch either one, Trump voters I know they would be if alive, try to twist themselves around their Russia hate! LOL, God I'd love to see that now, armed as I am with all I read on this site and others.

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@lizzyh7 I can't seem to spot it, and would like to read. Thanks!

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@WaterLily

by Glenn Greenwald is interesting in itself, but the comments are also very good for the most part.

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/28/yet-another-major-russia-story-falls...

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@Linda Wood @Linda Wood who helped bring Sarah Palin to the world, is the latest to be admitted into the Democrats “he’s an alright guy after all” circle. Do any of these people ever look at the company they’re keeping and go how the fuck did we get here?!?

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@Dr. John Carpenter

They know. They figure they're on the path to sharing some of that totalitarian wealth and power they're handing over to TPTB, which has worked well for them so far, since they're still useful.

S/he who lies with the psychopaths will sooner or later not get up at all.

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A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

@Linda Wood @Linda Wood

Not only do TPTB want to micro-manage what Americans see and say, but all of those on international social platforms such as FB and Twitter. Typical and a logical next step.

This is the final battle, I'm afraid, and I doubt that people will even boycott these controlled social sites to build up any others, any more than any of us organized alternatives to Youtube when the corporate censorship began there with the defunding of sites such as Jimmy Dore's and Redacted Tonight discussing 'sensitive' topics.

We need to fight terrorism masquerading as government, but we none of us know how to do this effectively and in a pacific fashion, so they continue to feed off our unused strength and power to themselves use against us.

Edited for a letter typo and minor reconstruction of a sentence, shifting a misplaced word. Dunno what I've probably missed, lol.

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I might as well just start using ciphers and start a hobby that has nothing to do with politics.

"I'm telling you, the Eagles are really trying to completely wipe out the house Finches. They've totally joined forces with the Vultures to eliminate all small birds that have a voice.

As far as I and the other Scrub Jay fans go, we'll try to stay out of it, and work to keep the eagles and vultures out of our yards. Of course, I have no problems making alliances with almost any omnivorous species, but I am leery of inviting pure carnivores into our midst."

Should be an extremely obvious cypher to anyone who knows anything about birds. Smile

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@detroitmechworks LOL! Glad to get this info. Where do the Acorn Woodpeckers fit in. Saw some on my Finch feeder this morning!

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@jakkalbessie Hell, I'll even count some Red Shouldered Hawks among my friends.

After all, Osprey's get preyed upon by Eagles too. Seems like natural allies if we put forth the effort.

But as far as the bird feeders goes, I've occasionally seen original patriotic Turkeys at them. Not usually ones to socialize with the small birds, but nice to see an open mind occasionally.

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@detroitmechworks
Those silent hovering hummingbirds could be there at your window, watching everything you do.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

@detroitmechworks
learn to love the whisky jack.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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@UntimelyRippd They sound absolutely beautiful. Of course some people prefer to be thought of as Canadian Goose fans, but those birds are MEAN and don't really reflect our northern neighbors.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ENNzjy8QjU]

(Secret codes are FUN! Damn, now I want to pitch a near-future SF story about a revolutionary group of Birdwatchers, 100 years after the revolution, and they still talk about things using the codes they set up during the war, because it was ingrained to fight against a technologically "superior" enemy. Feeling very creative today. Or it might be this weed.)

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when Canadian Geographic, after reviewing considerable public input etc., chose the whisky jack to be the official bird of Canada, rather than the loon.

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The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.

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it was the Ruskies behind those protests. Now were those Russian rascals responsible for that blown call in Detroit last Sunday?

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The real SparkyGump has passed. It was an honor being your human.

@SparkyGump
but they're a better excuse for the blown call when Chicago roughed Green Bay's kicker after the game was out of reach than the idea that the ref couldn't see what every other person in the country saw.

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Actually, it's those damn Ruskies trying to tell patriotic US cops that it's not OK for them to exercise their gun rights by killing often-innocuous American civilians apparently for routine random target practice based on their assessed vulnerability, much of this frequently based on what shade their skin is and, to add insult to injury, the Russians even brainwashing unpatriotic Americans into objecting to these frequent police murders of citizens for which no real accountability generally exists.

A murderous police state is a good thing and who could possibly object? Except Enemies of the State who need to be censored and/or nuked! (If the police haven't shot them first, simply for practice.)

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I give up.

Russia doesn't need nuclear weapons. It's already 'won'. Apparently, it controls all American domestic doings, and has done for a while.

Unfuckingbelievable is right. Pass the Victory Gin!

I should add that as Mrs. Bollox exercises in the morning, she listens to some NPR news podcast. I have to clench my teeth as I make tea. Aside from godawful intro music, it just pushes the latest Russian drivel.

(Edited)

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref
Vodka.

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@Pricknick

Just potato juice.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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@Bollox Ref
what's happened to NPR since the Cock brothers started paying the bills.

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@Socialprogressive

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is a little lengthy for well composed snark. Too many info threads and citations leads to complication and dilution of the snarky point.

Short and sweet for maximum impact.

140 characters should do...umm 280?

Ha, haha ha?

This is snark, right?

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Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!

Firesign Theater

Stop the War!

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@Big Al I was just going to make a comment and the above comment posted first. Hmm.

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@Big Al

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@Big Al You'll be on the no fly list now if you weren't already

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@Big Al
Demand they add the remaining verses. Make everybody memorize them, or leave the stands.
That arda do et.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

than ever too. I was almost done re-reading this when the thought hit that once again, HER may very well have been willing to lose for the PTB. She does owe them, big time. And look how well it's paying off? They have the big bad boogeyman lunatic in Trump to gin up support for war with Russia, and half the "liberals" are rabidly on board. In our team sport politics this works very well I think. They'll need to work "together" after all to beat out such a world menace. And once it starts, there'll be no one party to blame. If anyone is around to blame anyone.

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@lizzyh7

Gin up the support for the war with Russia that was already cooked up by the Obama administration which has already been implemented by NATO putting troops and military equipment in the countries that surround Russia and let Trump appoint the absolutely worst candidates to dismantle our regulatory agencies and let corporations do whatever the fuck they want to our air, water, medications and every other category agency that was created to protect us.
Does anyone think that Hillary would have been allowed to do that? Hell no.
The way that this works is for the democrats to lose control of the senate, house and state governorships so that they would be in no position to block the republicans from doing anything they want. Then watch helplessly as the republicans cut the 1%'s and corporations taxes, gut the social safety programs and get away with whatever the hell is left of our unfunctioning democracy.
Make sure that the police are armed to their balls to stop people from trying to get control of the country.
The spy equipment is in place to learn about anything being planned so its leaders can be arrested before anything happens and hold them indefinitely without charges or access to a lawyer. If there are two many people for jails to hold, FEMA has some empty spaces to put them in.

I have to give it to TPTB. They have kept this Russian propaganda going for longer than I thought they would. It's damn sad to see how many people are falling for this. I thought people were smarter than this. Sad to see how wrong I was.

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Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?

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it makes propaganda work much easier.

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He's trying to destroy Ugandan democracy!! This is one of the current Top Tweets on the Alliance for Undermining Democracy site:

Watch a massive #brawl break out in the Ugandan #parliament over the presidential age

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The ME isn't costing enough? Got to get the fck out.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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@dkmich

What is 'Brazil, Russia, India, China And South Africa - BRICS

Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa BRICS s an acronym for the combined economies of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. BRIC, without South Africa, was originally coined in 2003 by Goldman Sachs, which speculates that by 2050 these four economies will be the most dominant. . South Africa was added to the list on April 13, 2011 creating "BRICS".

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/brics.asp

They want to head this off at the financial pass.

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@dkmich

a trillion dollars to modernize our nuclear weapons in order to make them more useable.

Here are a few paragraphs taken more or less at random from about 50 paragraphs just outlining what they plan, from the Arms Control Association:

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/USNuclearModernization

U.S. Nuclear Modernization Programs

August 2017

Executive Summary
Nuclear Modernization Snapshot
Nuclear Modernization Overview
1. Interncontinental Ballistic Missiles (ICBMs)
2. Submarine-Launched Ballistic Missiles (SLBMs) and Submarines
3. Strategic Bombers
U.S. Nuclear Modernization Programs Chart

... The B83 was first produced in 1983, making it one of the newer weapons in the stockpile and the only remaining megaton-class weapon in the stockpile. The B83 has the most modern safety and security features, including insensitive high explosive and a fire-resistant pit. NNSA plans to retire the B83 sometime in the mid- to late-2020s once confidence in the B61 mod 12 is attained.

The B-52H fleet, first deployed in 1961, has an on-going modification program, beginning in 1989, incorporating updates to the global positioning system, updating the weapons capabilities to accommodate a full array of advanced weapons developed after the procurement of the B-52H, and modifying the heavy stores adapter beams to allow the B-52H to carry up to 2,000 pound munitions and a total of 70,000 pounds of mixed ordnance armaments. In FY 2011 the Air Force added to its modernization efforts for the B-52H, receiving funding for the Combat Network Communications Technology (CONECT) program, which updates the B-52 computer infrastructure. The upgrade is projected to cost a total of $1.1 billion.

The B-52H carries the air-launched cruise missile (ALCM), first deployed in 1981. Each ALCM carries a W80-1 warhead, first produced in 1982. The Air Force retained roughly 570 nuclear-capable ALCMs as of the Spring of 2015, down from the original production run of 1,715 missiles, which concluded in 1986. Roughly 200 of these missiles are believed to be deployed at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota with the W80-1 nuclear warhead. New START does not cap the number of bombs or cruise missiles that can be carried on treaty limited strategic bombers.

Some reports indicate that the relaiablity of the ALCM could be in jeopardy due to aging components which are becoming increasingly difficult to maintain.

The Air Force is developing the long-range standoff cruise missile (or LRSO) to replace the existing ALCM. The new missile will be compatible with the B-2 and B-52H bombers, as well as the planned B-21. The first missile is slated to be produced in 2026.

The current Air Force procurement plan for the LRSO calls for about 1,000 new nuclear-capable missiles, roughly double the size of the existing fleet of ALCMs. According to the service, the planned purchase of 1,000 missiles includes far more missiles than it plans to arm and deploy with nuclear warheads. The Obama administration’s fiscal year 2016 budget request proposed to increase spending to accelerate by two years the development of the LRSO and the modified W80-4 warhead that it would carry, partially reversing the fiscal year 2015 proposal to delay development of both by three years. For FY 2018, the Obama administration requested $399.1 million for the W80-4 and an additional $489.3 million for the LRSO missile.

The Pentagon projects the cost to acquire the new missile fleet at about $11 billion (in then-year dollars) and the cost to operate and sustain the missile fleet over its expected life at over $6 billion (in constant FY 2016 dollars). The Energy Department projects the cost of the life extension program for the ALCM warhead to be between $7.4 billion and $9.9 billion (in then-year dollars).

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Birchers in the Beer Joint: Trump “Resistance” Revives Old Slurs

“Oh be fair. Everyone knows there was no racism in the US until Lenin and Putin started tweeting about it in 1917. Growing up in rural TN in the 60s, I remember how Clem the Commissar would come by in his pick-up & force homefolk to protest integration. “Make hay, y’all, make hay!” he’d holler, passing out pointy hoods with the hammer & sickle on top. Then he’d force the aldermen to ban African-Americans from buying property or drinking out of public water fountains. “But we love our black bretheren,” homefolk would cry. “No matter,” Clem would say, whipping out his Kalashnikov. “Nikita wants y’all to stir up trouble, so get to it.” And so, sorrowfully, under the Communist lash, good folks in a land that had never even heard a harsh racial word had to build an entire system of racial bigotry affecting jobs, education, justice, civil rights, medical care, financial services and every other aspect of life. They didn’t WANT to, but them damn socialist media Russkie agitators MADE ’em do it. Like Vietnam, it was just another tragedy that FOREIGNERS inflicted on us!”

h/t on the cusp

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Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?

@snoopydawg

hilarious.

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@irishking

And right on!

Show me the fucking ad! Show me the place where we fell to pieces going for Trump because Putin persuaded us. Show me the ad, damn it.

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The Washington Post, reporting on the creation of the "Alliance for Securing Democracy" in July 2017:

The roster of figures who have signed onto the new project, called the Alliance for Securing Democracy, is a who’s who of former senior national security officials from both parties. The advisory council includes former Homeland Security secretary Michael Chertoff; former acting CIA director Michael Morell; former House Intelligence Committee chairman Mike Rogers; Adm. James Stavridis, former NATO supreme Allied commander, Europe; Jake Sullivan, former national security adviser to Joe Biden; and former Estonian president Toomas Hendrik Ilves.

National Security Figures to Launch Project to Counter Russian Mischief

In other words, more MIC psyops and manipulation, which the MSM is presenting as the absolute truth.

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~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

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America has gone insane. Film at 11.

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Schiff says we're not aware of all the Russkie activity. Since I know of none that proves he's right!

But seriously, what a poorly conceived strategy. Lie, play to your most gullible people and don't worry that the other 75% of the voters think you're nuts.

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I think I'm starting to see the light. The US Civil War wasn't about freeing slaves, or even about the South's economic independence.

Nope. It was a big ol' Russian conspiracy. Tsar Nicholas I infiltrated the US Army by planting a Russian agent at West Point. Said Russian agent cleverly assumed the name of a well-regarded Virginia family, Lee, and worked his way up to general. In the meantime, his fellow Russian agent, Jefferson Davis, manipulated the Southern states into seceding. Abraham Lincoln might have been on on it, too, come to think of it.
After losing the Crimean War, the Russian Empire needed somewhere else to expand to. Get the Americans to fight each other, and then Mother Russia swoops in and takes it all.

Hey! What if the Boston Tea Party was a Russian plot, too? What if the whole darn American Revolution was put on by the Russians? Catherine the Great was so supportive of the colonists and admired the Declaration of Independence. Maybe there was a reason for that. Maybe it's because she wrote the darn thing.

Drinks Na zdorovie, Comrades.

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"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

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@Centaurea Those tricksy Ruskies sold us Alaska in a secret 140 year plot to groom the dumbest Vice Presidential candidate ever.

Those bastards really know how to play the long game.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

@Centaurea

Dear Gawd, you're right! America was a Russian plot! Regime change is imperative!

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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for 3 of the last 5 extinction events. Kissinger did the other 2.

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Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
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deals with Russians killing Klingon civilians and laying blame on the Galactic Intelligence Agency.
Good times.

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Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
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speak Russian? I don't really think I'm up to it.

I'm starting to look forward to Vlad taking over. I think he's far more stable then the current bunch of cuckoos running things.

Personally I didn't vote for Clinton because I agreed with Bob Herbert when he said...

The Clintons are a terminally vulgar and unethical couple who betrayed everyone who ever believed in them.

He said that in this article in 2001. He was right. It's well worth reading.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2001/02/26/opinion/in-america-cut-him-loose.html

EDIT: They've/then the

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

Good morning comrades. Доброе утро товарищы.

I'm here in Moscow taking lessons in Russian and discussing politics with a host of fellow students from all over the world. I'm sure that if you looked at my IP address that it indicates that I am in Russia. There are lots of us, Americans in Russia posting. I am not taking orders or money from V.V. Putin, I promise you.

I can give you some idea of what Russians think of this Russian hysteria. They think that we have gone totally insane. The Morgan Freeman video went viral here. The reaction was both laughter and disbelief. You have no idea how the American Liberal has completely destroyed any positive image that may have been created in Russian minds. America has gone batshit insane. Here is a dose of reality:

- Russia and Russians have thought kindly about America for a long time. They have desired to work with them as partners. After all, the cold war is over and the Soviet Union is gone, That's right, all of those Soviet Republics were given their freedom. Since when does an empire do that? How grateful is the West?

- Russia has maintained a positive attitude towards the US and has overlooked US hostilities towards Russia for a very long time. The hope was that Russia and the US could become working partners and solve many of the world's problems, for example, terrorism. Russia has a much deeper built-in issue with this. US arrogance has prevented any real cooperation. Russian positive attitude towards the US was based on the expectation that the US would eventually treat Russia with respect and would respect Russia's interests in the world.

- Russia is now coming to a deep understanding that partnership with the US is impossible, except in a few sectors. The result of this is that Russia will partner with the developing world and not the West. All in all it's a smart move as the developing nations now significantly outpace the West in population, GDP and GDP growth rate. Russia and Russia's friendship is an enormous prize, and always has been historically. Russia is a vast country with vast resources including being the world's largest exporter of grain. Russia has excellent science and world class technology, in some areas significantly ahead of the US. Russia is far better managed than the US.

- America's issues with Russia are mostly if not entirely fantasy. Russians listen and watch American media. I have CNN here on Russian TV. Russians still like Americans but feel that the media and the government have gone completely batshit insane. Much of this is "projection". The US has interfered with elections and overthrows democracies all over the world over a long period of time. Claiming that Russia interfered in American "Democracy" is beyond ridiculous. The interference in American "Democracy" comes from the power and influence of Corporate America.

- Russians don't understand why the US is bombing Syria. There is no legal basis for this at all. The US does this without any coordination with the Syrian government. Therefore civilians are being slaughtered by the dozens and there is no humanitarian aid or relief structure present in Raqqa. It seems that the US doesn't do this. Human Rights Watch has filed complaints with the UN about the Regime in Washington slaughtering civilians half way around the world. The US claims to have investigated this issue, but HRW strongly disagrees. It may be time to insist that the regime in Washington must go.

I think that we are stuck in a very very bad time globally for the US. We have a chorus of small Western nations that are always willing to say "yes sir, send more guns, lawyers and money", to the US but the rest of the world is moving in a much different direction. I don't see how the US gracefully implements a changing role in the world. This could be really bad.

Meanwhile, I'm having a great time in Moscow. This is one of the most livable major cities in Europe. It's also one of the most fascinating for its 870 year history, through Tsars, the Soviet Union and the modern democratic era. It's also one of the cleanest and safest cities in Europe and an incredible bargain because of the devalued Ruble.

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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.

@The Wizard thanks,

Russia and Russians have thought kindly about America for a long time. They have desired to work with them as partners.

reminded me of that 4 part interview with Putin, if I remember right it is how he got "control" of their oligarchs mostly, had them partner with the Russian people instead of just getting stinking rich from their misery. Kinda worked out okay I think, wish somebody here would have the guts to control corruption, make partners for peace instead of war all the time. Spread the wealth.

Мир (mir)

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@The Wizard kidding.....-vbg-

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I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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@The Wizard

There's something so sad about the US rejection of friendship with Russia. I've written about it before. How very small the souls of the Americans appear, as if they have suffered some personal affront from Russia; some direct insult. How they keep the hate juices flowing in this desert of scant experience is mind-boggling. Attitudes toward Cuba are equally pathetic. All this in light of Russia's sincere hope of friendship with the West is such a pity

Of course, psychosis can be the only explanation for such inappropriate US extremism. I watch three different versions of RT: Russian, European, and the US. I'm a propaganda sleuth these days, and I'm seeing very little at RT that can be construed as such. American pundits comprise the majority of programming on the US version. Talent like Larry King, Chris Hedges, Jesse Ventura, Lee Camp, Ed Schultz are the regulars. Their guests include Senators, Congressmen, and more typical DC "experts" and political celebrities. None of them seem to be holding back at all. They all appear more upbeat and confident than their US media counterparts.

So, it was shocking to hear that the US now wants Russia Today to register as a foreign agent. This is a naked attempt to bully and silence the discussions at RT, and it is unprecedented. The Empire is lashing out in its weakness. The nation appears to move ever-closer to diplomatic isolation, while Russia is becoming ubiquitous. The geopolitical world is in motion. I'm actually glad the world has seen the US at a time when it has no self-awareness.

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This morning in my random news feed, I'm seeing headlines like "Russia used fake black activist social media accounts to create NFL issue." I'm really not an expert on the Cold War, but it hit me last night after seeing the attempts to tie this to Russia that this is exactly what they did in the first Cold War. They tried to wrap the Civil Rights movement and it's leaders in Communism and Russia shut it down. No shock that they're trying it again.

But, it puts the Democrats in a very interesting position, as I see it. The Dems have been doubling down on the identity politics and are pretty obviously looking for a Hillary of Color to lead in 2020. And they more or less told the blue collar whites who would eat up that storyline to piss up a rope. I know the first I saw trying to make this connection was coming from the GOP. If I thought they were that clever, I'd say they were pushing this just to put the Democrats in that awkward spot, but I really think they want to bomb Russia just as badly.

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Wikileaks- email from Fuckerberg to Podesta:

From: Mark Zuckerberg >
Date: Friday, August 7, 2015 at 10:23 AM
To:"john.podesta@gmail.com" >
Cc: Elliot Schrage >

Subject: Thanks John, I enjoyed spending time with you yesterday and our conversation gave me a lot to think about. Thanks for sharing your experiences with CAP and some of the choices you made as you put the organization together. I hope it’s okay if I reach out as my thinking develops to get your ideas and reactions. If there are any other folks you think I should talk to, please let me know. Thanks again. I look forward to continuing our conversation.

Link to Email

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

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@Amanda Matthews @Amanda Matthews
From:elliot@fb.com
To: john.podesta@gmail.com
Date: 2015-08-07 22:47
Subject: Re: Thanks

John, I wanted to add my personal thanks, too. Mark can be a demanding and inquisitive student, and he was both impressed and grateful for your time and candor. He’s begun a challenging journey to direct his wealth to have an impact as great as Facebook and your ideas and perspectives really moved his thinking. I know he was focused on the kinds of structures he should put together, but now I suspect he’ll be paying more attention to the types of people he needs — policy entrepreneurs and strategists — as he thinks about next steps. Any and all suggestions are welcome among folks you know or have worked with.

Please don’t hesitate to reach out if there are things we can do to be helpful in you and your work — whether at CAP or elsewhere

Have a great weekend,

Elliot -- Elliot Schrage | VP Communications, Marketing and Public Policy Facebook | Elliot@fb.com www.facebook.com/elliot O: 650-543-7897 | F: 415-962-0681 Mailing Address: 1601 Willow Road, Menlo Park, CA 94025

EDIT: Paragraph got screwed up somehow during formatting. Fixed it (I hope).

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

Because this essay references the NFL thought I would drop this here in case someone hasn't seen it yet.
Edit: here, not hear!

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O.k. When is the next meeting for the revolution?
-FuturePassed on Sunday, November 25, 2018 10:22 p.m.

@WIProgressive boy that guy has some nerve talking like that inside his little defense bubble. USAF, do they ever see the people they are running out of bombs on? Maybe the Academy is not training up remote mad bombers, that would dignified and respectful. Not some upstairs PR speech about mean comments on the Internets, jeebus.

good luck

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I laughed and for an instant thought that this must be a humorous spoof when I saw the headline in the essay list before I realized that this unprecedented attack on democracy by those projecting that claim onto Russia is deadly serious.

People fell for the Bush Admin propaganda back in the day, but perhaps if they knew that such as Dick Cheney (among other familiar names) has his filthy fingers working the policy in the Trump Admin, (as he would have with the Clintons previously busy rehabilitating them during Her campaign,) perhaps they'd recognize and become inoculated against the same pathological lunacy fooling the public again. That being exactly the sort of thing they're trying to crush - the truth ever getting out again. Especially starting with the thereby-made-obsolete Twitter and FB.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.