I wonder where this story is going to go
North Korea probably acquired the rocket engines for the two intercontinental ballistic missiles it tested in July from Ukrainian or Russian sources within the past two years, a study has claimed.
North Korea’s missile programme has made astounding strides over the past two years. An arsenal that had been based on short- and medium-range missiles along with an intermediate-range Musudan that repeatedly failed flight tests, has suddenly been supplemented by two new missiles: the intermediate-range Hwasong-12 and the intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), Hwasong-14. No other country has transitioned from a medium-range capability to an ICBM in such a short time. What explains this rapid progression? The answer is simple. North Korea has acquired a high-performance liquid-propellant engine (LPE) from a foreign source.
Available evidence clearly indicates that the LPE is based on the Soviet RD-250 family of engines, and has been modified to operate as the boosting force for the Hwasong-12 and -14. An unknown number of these engines were probably acquired though illicit channels operating in Russia and/or Ukraine. North Korea’s need for an alternative to the failing Musudan and the recent appearance of the RD-250 engine along with other evidence, suggests the transfers occurred within the past two years.
On Monday, the Kiev government denied the technology used in the North Korean missiles had come from the company.
“This information is not based on any grounds, provocative by its content, and most likely provoked by Russian secret services to cover their own crimes,” Oleksandr Turchynov, the secretary of the Ukrainian national security and defence council, said in a statement.
Xu Tianran, a researcher on North Korea and missiles in Beijing, said it was very likely that the North Korean rocket engines were based on the Soviet design
I am seriously wondering where we are headed. It's just getting started.
Another Cuban missile crisis? With Mini-Kim and The Hair at the wheel?
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Is there anything they can't make Russia's fault?
Clearly Russians control the world and the only people who AREN'T in on it are the Democratic Party!
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pGyk6k1g3U]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
That is part of what is worrying me, there is not a cool
@LaFeminista
Billions could die with one little slip, actually. Along with the rest of life on the planet. And people still talk about 'voting' for either corporate party, not to mention, in their rigged elections?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Nope
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
@detroitmechworks
Damn Superman Russians... but don't the corporate Dems always claim that 'the market' makes the superior win purely through superiority? Shouldn't they just accept their inferiority and submit to the victors, as they always wish their victims would do? They are so clearly outclassed...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
We'll have to check...
I'm the only person standing between Richard Nixon and the White House."
~John F. Kennedy~
Economic: -9.13, Social: -7.28,
It wouldn't bother me a bit
if the technology and the engines came directly from Russia.
Where did South Korea, Israel, and several others get their first nuclear weapons from? No hints.
North Korea has every right to believe that if they didn't have theirs, we would have knocked hard on their doors years ago.
If Yemen had one do you think the sauds would be there now?
Looks like exceptionalism is slowly dying a well deserved death.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
The world should have disarmed and demilitarized years ago
and how
@LaFeminista
Well, Obama tried to get everyone else to nuclear-disarm and lose their deterrence factor... now The Psychopaths That Be have to do it the hard way and blow up the world trying for global supremacy. Poor them, despite all of their money sucked out of everyone else.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Israel could have made it's own bomb
There were a lot of Jewish physicists who fled Nazi Europe, including Einstein. Many went to the US and were key in making the US bomb. I'm sure many could have gone to Israel, from all over Europe, after the war.
Beware the bullshit factories.
But
it didn't.
It was given the formula in a wonderful, working model.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Is there a source for that?
Just saying they probably could have done it on their own:
Manhattan Project Refugees
Beware the bullshit factories.
Good point but nope.
Is there a source for them having any at all?
Yet they have them. Or do they?
I say yes. What say you?
The infrastructure to develop one on their own is or was not there. Reverse engineering was the key.
If they have them.
This is what I love most about this site. Open discussion without retribution.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
I say I don't know
I just know that Jewish refugees from Nazi Europe were key in making the World's first atomic bomb, and even if Hitler had conquered Russia, these Jews who he was trying to kill, would have been responsible for his ultimate defeat, since the US was the World's first nuclear power.
Beware the bullshit factories.
@Timmethy2.0 Actually, a
Got to disagree on that
I now there was a movie made about that, but the Wikipedia article doesn't say anything about it. Here's a quote from the article:
Beware the bullshit factories.
Israel has 150 nukes or more.
@Pricknick
If at all possible, these are all best read in full at source.
Yes, Bibi, one of the other crazy fucks, has nukes.
https://www.thenation.com/article/its-official-pentagon-finally-admitted...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/truth-israels-secret-nucle...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclea...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Israel was founded in 1948.
Yes it was
And it was unfairly harsh on the Palestinians who had been living there. But I think that was clouded on the International stage by the aftermath of the Holocaust when many of the homeless survivors went there.
Beware the bullshit factories.
And it was founded
on protectionism.
Would I be considered anti zionist if I said they should protect themselves?
I'd rather spend billions per year protecting those who fight against enslavement and apartheid.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Are you asking me to judge you?
I'm not qualified to do so. I wish everybody would see the humanity in everybody else, but maybe that's extremely naive of me and comes from growing up and spending most of my life in the Northern California bubble.
Edit: Sorry, I misread who the reply was for.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Think tank propaganda usually lays the groundwork
to justify, manufacture, plan, and implement conflict. Here they're tying the new axis of evil together, somehow they'll tie Iran to it.
They want it ALL.
The IISS, the source of that propaganda, btw is a long time right wing conservative neoconish think tank out of London.
Sometimes I check the neocon think tank websites to see what they're focusing on.
Exactly what I was thinking Al.
Nuclear War Should Be Viewed As A Catastrophe
Not A strategy.
By accepting the death of millions, we devalue our own lives.
The real SparkyGump has passed. It was an honor being your human.
Why are people counting death toll
There is no such thing as TMI. It can always be held in reserve for extortion.
Right out of the chute, cui bono?
This was written by the CIA:
…and stuffed into the puppet mouth of Oleksandr Turchynov, Ukraine's secretary of defence.
Let's build a Geopolitical Stack and see how that works:
What is the overarching goal of Empire?
To take out any competitors to the US Monopolar Superpower status over the world. The key competitor is Eurasia, which has already left the US in the dust insofar as super-computing, quantum computing, artificial intelligence, rocketry, and space travel. (The US has no money to compete in these areas. It relies on rich corporations to divert their profits to pay for massive national endeavors that only wealthy central governments can mount. The US has poured all its money into murder and mayhem. It has lost the non-commercial technology race.)
The key components of Eurasia are its two anchor nations, China and Russia. On the current cosmic timeline, China and Russia are set to become the Multipolar World along with the United States. They will have veto power over US terrorism. The M.A.D. policy will hold the world in check until humans evolve intellectually and morally.
The Neocons want to stop this unfolding timeline at any cost, Better dead than red.
What is the geopolitical significance of North Korea?
Why have the US Neocons — the imported Nazis brain trust from WWII — kept North Korea an isolated rat cage laboratory for seventy years, guarded by US troops? Haven't you ever wondered why we grow this poisonous cyst on the butt of China, and engage in never-ending military war games just off its coast?
North Korea is the one country that borders both China and Russia. It is their weak link. Any false flag emanating from North Korea opens a door to the US military.
Do either China or Russia want to see that?
Certainly not. Who performed the first technology transfer to North Korea, the blueprint for building nuclear warheads? Many point to the US special intelligence operations under the Clinton administration.
There was a missile technology transfer to North Korea from a spacefaring nation. I agree with that premise of this essay, and would assume that missile technology came from the US, as well. Because the emergence of the technology in North Korea threatens Eurasia, but it directly benefits the US Neocons. They are extremely anxious to push their goals of global dominance and Eurasia stands in the way. It grows stronger every day. North Korea offers the necessary theater for a stealth first strike on Eurasia while Russia and China are standing down.
The seeds I plant here is not pre-emptive. That only happens if they are widely spread and take root. But it does serve as a catbird seat for peering into the future.
Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
We've always been at war with Eastasia.
I don't understand this
Why would a Korean missile launch help the US against Russia and China? Or am I not reading this correctly?
“When out of fear you twist the lesser evil into the lie that it is something good, you eventually rob people of the capacity to distinguish between good and evil.”
~ Hannah Arendt
We have been multipolar for a long
Could be Putin's way of saying
"Wanna surround my country with weaponry and troops and impose a stack of sanctions? Here, deal with this, assholes!"
We deserve it.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
"We deserve it."
I know what you mean, but the ones who deserve it don't pay the price.
NY Times is running it.
I see no proof, just guesses and speculation no different than all the past guesses and speculations. But the headlines makes it seem like there's no doubt, "Investigators say". Rather convenient tying Ukraine/Russia to North Korea.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/world/asia/north-korea-missiles-uk...
Proof such a banal requirement these days.
bad form to ask for it.
Yep, forged in the depths of hell.
We are dove-tailed on this one, Please see my comment above for context.
Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
NYT says it's the Ukrainians.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
And since the US Neocons overthrew the Ukraine
…government and installed their NeoNazi puppets, what better source can there be for weapons transfers, that would serve the goals of the rabid Russia haters. Just like their brethren at CrowdStrike — Kiev is always ginning up a proxy hot war between Russia and the US.
Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
We have no one to blame but ourselves.
Without Maidan, NK doesn't get the ICBM engines.
Plain and simple.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Not terribly surprising
given the North Korean relationship with the former USSR.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
China is the more likely source.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
China is the least likely source.
It runs completely counter to their 5,000 continuous years of history.
Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
They could have done it on their own
It's not rocket science.
Oh wait. Maybe it is.
/s
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
AmeriKKKan hubris
ASS-uming that nobody else, anywhere, can invent or improve on anything. That any innovation must come from "somewhere else". That brown, black and yellow people are stupid savages with no know-how and no creativity, who must buy, borrow, or steal their technology.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong - and pig-ignorant besides.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
if given a voice
No doubt the N. Koreans could
develop an ICBM. But nobody can cancel a failing program; ground test an entirely new engine in little more than a matter of weeks; and start testing an ICBM in months. Those missiles are powered by the engines that launched a set of Soviet/Russian missiles, built in a factory in Ukraine. Neither the Russians nor the Ukrainians deny it. They've attempted to blame the other. Who knows? It could be a black market operation. The Russians have caught people trying to export such technology and plans for such technology on previous occasions.
We have no idea of their accuracy. Since they've never tested one on an intercontinental trajectory it's likely the N. Koreans have limited confidence in their accuracy. And the largest N. Korean explosion detected has been 10 kilotons, about 2/3s the size of the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima. The real threat from N. Korea is the damage they could do with conventional artillery to the large portion of the S.Korean population living in and around Seoul.
No doubt the N. Koreans could
develop an ICBM. But nobody can cancel a failing program; ground test an entirely new engine in little more than a matter of weeks; and start testing an ICBM in months. Those missiles are powered by the engines that launched a set of Soviet/Russian missiles, built in a factory in Ukraine. Neither the Russians nor the Ukrainians deny it. They've attempted to blame the other. Who knows? It could be a black market operation. The Russians have caught people trying to export such technology and plans for such technology on previous occasions.
We have no idea of their accuracy. Since they've never tested one on an intercontinental trajectory it's likely the N. Koreans have limited confidence in their accuracy. And the largest N. Korean explosion detected has been 10 kilotons, about 2/3s the size of the bomb that destroyed Hiroshima. The real threat from N. Korea is the damage they could do with conventional artillery to the large portion of the S.Korean population living in and around Seoul.
duplicate
Doesn't the US sell weapons
Doesn't the US sell weapons to anybody with money? Wouldn't it be Hillarious if they were purchased through the then-still Clinton-supporter-staffed US State Department?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Was woondering that myself n/t
There is no justice. There can be no peace.