@yellopig

immigrants from some other country, even members of First Nations. According to the DNA Project, the latter emigrated to this continent from Russia. However, they did get here somewhere between 50,000 and 130,000 years before Columbus (who, of course, was an Italian financed by Spain and was preceded here by both Amerigo Vespucci and Leif Ericson). https://www.seeker.com/culture/archaeology/earliest-evidence-of-humans-i... And, of course, Florida, California and New Mexico were settled well before 1620, esp. California.

Azazello doesn't sound like a 'Merkin name to me either.
On the other hand, Bisbonian doesn't look much like a Mexican, so there's that too. Who was in charge of casting?

Anyway, I'm glad you guys had fun!

@yellopig
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Azazello doesn't sound like a 'Merkin name to me either.
On the other hand, Bisbonian doesn't look much like a Mexican, so there's that too. Who was in charge of casting?

Anyway, I'm glad you guys had fun!

@snoopydawg

We could, I suppose, start an armed revolution, but we'd likely be mowed down in short order and maybe become a footnote in history. Or not.

people are still okay with the illegal spying on us because they say that they have nothing to hide and if it keeps us safe from the terrorists, they don't have a problem with it.
What they don't understand is that it's not just the illegal spying on us that is wrong, it's that TPTB can manufacture false evidence and plant it on people.

I read an article about how a person was eating his lunch outside and an undercover police officer started going through his car . When the person questioned the cop asking him why he was going through his car, the cop just walked away.
This cop could have planted evidence in his car and then arrested the person.
This type of act could be done to anyone. Plant incriminating material on people's computers, phones or a number of other things.

One of the NDAA that Obama signed says that the military can arrest people, and hold them indefinitely without charges or a trial.

This is the consequences of people saying they have nothing to hide.

Plus look at how the tsa kept adding new restrictions on people who fly.
When they first were created, I hoped that people would stop flying until the tsa folded. Instead, people said they were willing to give up their right of unwarranted search and seizure if it kept them safe.
We know that the tsa has failed every weapons test. Yet people still allow themselves, their elderly parents and kids to be groped by the tsa. It's worked so well that they have taken their show on the road and people allow themselves to be searched and groped at ball games, concerts and other gatherings.

I will not participate in this unconstitutional activity.

busting innocent people for decades! Nothing new there. Sigh.... Rec'd!! @snoopydawg

people are still okay with the illegal spying on us because they say that they have nothing to hide and if it keeps us safe from the terrorists, they don't have a problem with it.
What they don't understand is that it's not just the illegal spying on us that is wrong, it's that TPTB can manufacture false evidence and plant it on people.

I read an article about how a person was eating his lunch outside and an undercover police officer started going through his car . When the person questioned the cop asking him why he was going through his car, the cop just walked away.
This cop could have planted evidence in his car and then arrested the person.
This type of act could be done to anyone. Plant incriminating material on people's computers, phones or a number of other things.

One of the NDAA that Obama signed says that the military can arrest people, and hold them indefinitely without charges or a trial.

This is the consequences of people saying they have nothing to hide.

Plus look at how the tsa kept adding new restrictions on people who fly.
When they first were created, I hoped that people would stop flying until the tsa folded. Instead, people said they were willing to give up their right of unwarranted search and seizure if it kept them safe.
We know that the tsa has failed every weapons test. Yet people still allow themselves, their elderly parents and kids to be groped by the tsa. It's worked so well that they have taken their show on the road and people allow themselves to be searched and groped at ball games, concerts and other gatherings.

I will not participate in this unconstitutional activity.

@Mark from Queens our "real" history is seldom if ever taught, we only get
the watered down, disneyland type hype of what amerika truly is.

Here's more they never taught.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/eugene_v_debs_and_the_kingdom_of_evi...

Debs feared the rise of the monolithic corporate state. He foresaw that corporations, unchecked, would expand to “continental proportions and swallow up the national resources and the means of production and distribution.” If that happened, he warned, the long “night of capitalism will be dark.”

circles.

To me, the linchpin is the twin regressive states we find ourselves most dominated by are, which are the propaganda of American Exceptionalism and the pursuit of the purposely elusive American Dream. We are indoctrinated into this thinking by relentless propaganda, which starts in the public school education system.

I would not have known of these stories, and related ones such as the Ludlow Massacre, were it not for Howard Zinn. If Zinn's "People' History..." were taught we'd know that for generation after generation there's been a brazen flouting of the law by the wealthy corporation owners and their henchmen in the police dept's. We'd also come face to face with the unavoidable bottom line fact that there's a two-tiered justice system which immunizes those people from "rule of law." We'd also know that freedom is illusory here, and that any advancements socially made to make the lives better of the vast working and middle class are because of sacrifices made by protesters, unions and radical dissenters.

Because we don't know our history, our real history such as the story of Bisbee, we're bound to keep spinning our wheels, with a populace tethered to fantasies of achieving some unattainable American Dream (and the bribed with endless cheap disposable le goods made by slave labor in SW Asia to ease the pain when it doesn't happen) and that this country in the Greatest In The World(TM) (again, not knowing our history in which the Rich rule over ad call all the shots in government legislation and enforcement).

All schools should teach Zinn. We'd have a much different populace then, if we knew these stories instead of the propaganda designed to transform the population into obedient consumers.

Found this when looking for his covering of Bisbee:

Thanks for the essay. It's hopeful that the whole town seems involved with the telling of this story. Our power ultimately resides in being able telling these stories and making sure they're not forgotten. There's inspiration everywhere, but it's not ever going to be found in the mainstream.