Obamacare repeal fail
Republicans are good at opposing things, but they absolutely suck at everything else.
That is becoming painfully obvious with the Obamacare repeal.
Acknowledging that Senate Republicans may not be able to pass their ObamaCare repeal legislation, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is warning that action will then have to be taken to stabilize insurance markets.
“If my side is unable to agree on an adequate replacement, then some kind of action with regard to private health insurance markets must occur,” McConnell said at a Rotary Club meeting in Kentucky on Thursday, according to multiple reports.
...McConnell is using fast-track budget rules for the legislation that prevent a filibuster from Democrats.
If the legislation is put aside, Republicans would need to negotiate a deal with Democrats on stabilizing insurance markets.
Republicans have held dozens and dozens of pointless Obamacare repeal votes, and now, when Democrats are unable to stop them, it turns out the Republicans were like the dog that caught the car.
Republican activists are absolutely livid.
Frustration is mounting among Republican activists over the GOP’s continued failure to repeal and replace Obamacare, with grassroots groups now warning of consequences for lawmakers in the 2018 elections if the Senate doesn’t reach a deal soon.
....“A lot of these people are just really like, ‘Why wasn’t there a plan? Why don’t you all have a sense of urgency?’” he said, even as he noted that conservatives could still support the ultimate repeal bill.
The Republican establishment is indistinguishable from the Democratic establishment in this regard, it just wants to make pointless opposition, not actually accomplish something that the people want and need.
The entire commentariat is going to feel a little silly when Marco Rubio wins every Republican primary.
— Ross Douthat (@DouthatNYT) September 25, 2015
Unlike the Republican base, the progressive wing of the Democrats actually do have a plan to accomplish something instead of just opposing something, and it's really annoying the political establishment.
Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), both seen as potential 2020 presidential candidates, each said last week that the party needed to get behind “Medicare for all.”
Republicans have noticed — and have begun to attack. Facing a widespread voter backlash over the House and Senate repeal bills, they’re trying to make universal coverage a political anchor for Democrats by asking whether they can seriously defend trillions of dollars in new taxes and spending.
On Wednesday, the GOP’s Senate campaign committee launched Web ads against the 10 Senate Democrats up for reelection in Trump-won states, warning of “government health care” if they win.
Oh, Gawd! Not "government health care", like Medicare, a system that everyone knows and scares almost no one at all.
Republicans are delusional if they think they have a winner in opposing Medicare for All, after showing that they have no plan of any kind themselves. The reason lies in the fundamental assumption for hatred of liberals.
So who does the WWC take out its anger on? Largely, the answer is the poor. In particular, the undeserving poor. Liberals may hate this distinction, but it doesn’t matter if we hate it. Lots of ordinary people make this distinction as a matter of simple common sense, and the WWC makes it more than any. That’s because they’re closer to it. For them, the poor aren’t merely a set of statistics or a cause to be championed. They’re the folks next door who don’t do a lick of work but somehow keep getting government checks paid for by their tax dollars. For a lot of members of the WWC, this is personal in a way it just isn’t for the kind of people who read this blog.
And who is it that’s responsible for this infuriating flow of government money to the shiftless? Democrats.
Like gun control and Big Labor, Republicans won the battle against welfare long ago, but refuse to recognize their own victory.
The key is that Medicare isn't just for the undeserving poor. It's for everyone that make it to retirement. Therefore, it gets hard to justify working yourself into a lather of hatred for something you plan on collecting yourself anyway.
Even most conservatives can't do that much hypocrisy.
Of course corporate Dems will move to sideline Medicare for all, but that's for another day.
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John Boehner's comments
Months ago, John Boehner predicted what the Republicans would do regarding Obamacare. It looks like he knew what he was talking about.
Of course the repeal won't happen
Obamacare is a red meat issue like abortion, the Rep… fascists need it or their people won't stay mad enough to vote. And besides, their insurance masters love the mandate.
But I'm sure they'll work something out to "stabilize" things - a "little" less coverage, a (huge, but don't tell anybody) subsidy - to the insurers, not the insured, and of course, Tim Kaine's ever popular medicare cuts"to pay for it".
On to Biden since 1973
God! Will Kaine be the 2020 nominee?
An even worse candidate than Her, if only because he has the wrong gonads.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I am nervous approaching Medicare
My current insurance is decent as a retired NYS employee. And now this churn, less than a year to go. I do not know who to call, perhaps no one.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Perhaps like Federal retirees you can keep your employer ins.?
Look into whether you can keep your existing insurance to be your Medicare supplement. Most (if not all) federal plans waive deductibles and co-pays if Medicare is primary. Maybe NY does the same?
It's great for the ins company too. They get the same premium but only have to pay 20% of the Medicare rate which is lower than their negotiated rates that they used to pay 80% of.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
I got Fed monies for 30 years, but am a retired NYS employee
with subsidized insurance now. I will pay more for Medicare, no doubt. Plus, it can't be deducted from my SS because I am using widow's benefits until +/- 70 when I reach crossover parity. He earned more.
Late starting research on this. Events have somewhat disrupted my life.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
Upon retirement
I kept my union health insurance but it became secondary to Medicare. My union premium was reduced by the amount of my Medicare premium. Roughly by half. What Medicare doesn't pay the union plan pays, after I reach the annual deductible of $300. I keep the union plan for its dental, vision, mental health, and drug coverage. And, of course, to continue supporting my union.
As a reward for my support, the membership of current working members of my Local contribute half of my union insurance premium.
Combined, I'm paying a little over $400 a year for "Cadillac" insurance, covering medical, dental, mental health, vision, and drug coverage.
Hope this helps you come to a decision.
YMMV.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
Medicare is not for all, call it Medicare-for-Most why not
ACA turned Medicare to shit for me, but go on. I know it helps some people, please remember those who cannot afford the co-pays, the lab tests, the incompetent new layer of Physician Assistants, the robot voicemail systems, none of it.
For me Obama turned Medicare in to garbage insurance. My doctor left for private practice because of the inanity, the one who replaced her was a numb-skull fresh out of college with some strange need to reinvent my medicine wheel. Then the Health Center won awards for being "first" and for completing the records digitalization "successfully". LOL you should see my "chart". On the top section is a really really long list of medicine "allergies", because the Windows consultant left no way to leave notes in the data input form. I am not kidding. I have no medicinal allergies.
Also, there was wrong billing on my CMS (the single payer for Medicare) statement a few years ago, when I called the Social Security fraud number to report it they put it right back on me. "Are you sure it wasn't a mistake, call the biller." I did, but gave up after two or three rounds on that hamster wheel. The biller seemed obviously a fraudster to me, some doctor down in Los Angeles not even in my area. I never had cancer either, but hey a couple thousand in chemo treatments billed to CMS. Thanks y'all who are still tax payers, you paid for it.
Sorry I cannot fix what looks totally broken to me. At this point I am simply waiting to die, trying to find the cheapest palliative treatments I can outside "The system." Would rather have a terminal illness then chronic symptoms. So when people ask to have Medicare "for-All" I think they don't know exactly what they are asking for.
I am willing to accept that most people just want what they want, and are too sick and tired to be thinking about others who have nothing (except SS check that doesn't keep up with inflation). How is MfA "a win"? It's not for "me and mine" lol, thanks whoever wrote that phrase, seeing it written here was great. We are the 99%, never to agree upon anything so always settling for less. That's how it looks from down here in Obama's economic ditch. Why aren't we pushing for the healthcare congress has? What makes them so special? Who shut the Overton Window? I can talk about my 70 year old friend who pays for extra "Advantage" and gets the same non-treatment, she is constantly punted around by Kaiser and never gets the care she needs. Their patients are treated as profit centers, by a non-profit. Thanks Dick Nixon.
I am really starting to question the entire "Social Security" system, it isn't what they sold me all the years I was working. Not by far. You have to get rich in prime earning years before retirement otherwise you're screwed. If you are disabled before then, tough shit. The masses of current "Independent Contractors" are going to be really really sorry when they grow older, that's what I think. Coastal karma for the win.
peace
You need a new doctor.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Many important points eyo
I have always assumed that when people say "Medicare for all" they're using it as shorthand for universal healthcare, in some form, but using a term for it that they believe "works" politically because it's familiar and, if not necessary loved, at least nonthreatening to most people. I'm not sure it's a good strategy.
How many are like me, late 50s, thinking on one hand Medicare is a lifesaver because if I live that long I can finally stop worrying about how to get insurance, and then also worried about what kind of doctors, care, access are going to be available, and how much will it really cover? Not everything I need, that's for sure. What about dentist and glasses? Shit. It's not going to be good. Scary. Medicare is not a magical unicorn that's going to carry me to safety. It's rife with potential problems I can't even foresee.
You are quite right also that the "safety net" of both Medicare and SS was not designed to provide for a good or complete existence in retirement. It's "supplemental" to whatever you manage to save or accumulate in assets and resources. Many, many of us are not able to save any, or anywhere near enough -- especially if we get a serious illness, accident, injury, or can't find work. Then yeah, there's no safety net that going to catch you. This keeps me up at night sometimes. I go to work because of it, and will do so for as long as I'm able to. Retirement ... sounds like an impossible dream.
Anyway yes, what I want is universal healthcare, and it needs to be as comprehensive as possible. It will have to go beyond current Medicare. Canada has a good model, but even there, not everything is covered and people buy supplemental private insurance. But they take a lot better care of their citizens than this country does. I just read about people here going to Mexico for affordable care, dentists, eye doctor, everything, because Mexico has free higher education, so people can become providers without a half-million in debt, so they can do a filling or whatever for fraction of the cost here. Things are just so FUBAR. We have to do much more than Medicare for all. Much more.
And no, the democrats are not going to deliver on any of this. They are just as fake as the republicans who promised repeal of ACA and voted for it only when it had no chance of happening. What politicians say to get elected is irrelevant. Put Dems back in control, it will be the same from them. This will have to come from the ground up.
Medicare definitely needs improvement
But it is at least something for all over 66. So maybe if it did cover everyone, we would have a better chance of getting the improvements we need in it.
Social security certainly needs improvement, too. It was meant to be just a third of retirement, back when the assumption was that everyone could also have a decent pension, and that people had enough discretionary income to save significant amounts of money.
Better than nothing, both of them, but nowhere near good enough now.
Be afraid, be very very afraid
Now that McConnell and team are proving to everyone (again) that they can't govern, he is suggesting bringing in Democrats. While on the surface this may sound like a good idea, it scares the shit outta me.
Think about how McConnell will go about getting a bill passed. He is not going to be calling: Warren, Gillibrand, Bernie. He is gonna call Chuck Schumer - an insurance whore if ever there was one. Chuck will call on Van Hollen, Murphy and other pro free market Democrats to collude with old turtle head. The Frankenstein these people create will not be good for most Americans is my bet. They'll fix Obamacare with more gifts for insurance companies.
The real answer to this faux crisis, is for the government to offer Medicare at a low cost for those counties that the market has abandoned. Insurance companies are there to skim cream. It's the governments responsibility to provide a low fat alternative.
the top government priority is
stabilization of the insurance markets.
Actual health and welfare of the people is what our government believes is the amount of taxes rich people will pay to provide health care to the poor. They believe rich people have had enough of footing the bill for all those losers.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@on the cusp
Yeah, all those loser Poors they likely got rich off of due to investments/interests in corporations underpaying them just aren't good enough to be rich like them...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
My mother could do this, perfectly.
"Therefore, it gets hard to justify working yourself into a lather of hatred for something you plan on collecting yourself anyway. Even most conservatives can't do that much hypocrisy."
When she was still working she had many friends who were already on Medicare, and even she admitted it made her pissed when they'd talk about hip replacements and such and say "Medicare paid for it all, didn't cost me a dime." Of course, she was still paying into it then. Flash forward to when she was retired and on it - "cuts must come, just not now." While politicians may have a lot on their hands now with people starting to see just that that means for THEM, those same voters will once again vote for cuts, as long as they aren't the ones facing them.
All of my family are Repugnants and pretty much feel the same damned way. My maternal grandmother HATED FDR with a passion, but loved collecting HER Social Security. That's where so much of my anger at Repugnants comes into play - I see what they DO, and it's blatantly hypocritical. Yes, they too have been fed that narrative, but when questioned not one of them will ever admit that it is a narrative only and mostly just utter lies.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
It's true
that SS was not designed to provide sole support for those fortunate enough to live long enough to collect it. It was always supposed to supplement their retirement money, whether saved, invested, or private retirement plans.
The same for Medicare, it was never supposed to provide "Cadillac" coverage that included dental or eyeglasses.
The recent push for Universal Basic Income will have the same complaints. "Oh, I can't have my steak and lobster or my Crown Royal on this piddling amount of income"! " I can't make my Escalade payment on this"!
Adjustments in lifestyle will have to come for those who started late in providing for their own retirement years. I know far too many people that pissed away their 20s AND 30s not even thinking about their retirement years. Many had the same excuse, "Aww, SS won't be there when I'm 67 so why bother"? Or "I'll be dead by then anyways".
Time has a way of kicking you in the ass.
As with any problem we have today, education is the key. We must teach our young people to start putting away early for their retirement years, don't procrastinate. Yes, SS will be there, but it will not be enough.
Same with Medicare. It will be there.
I can't tell you how many people in the mid sixties told me that SS and Medicare will be gone by the time I reach retirement age. And I believed them and started putting away then, at age 16.
The only instance in my life where fear mongering actually had a beneficial effect.
I'm still here. And collecting on both.
Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.
"start putting away early for their retirement" ?
put away what? Did you see the list of 42 middle-class jobs that don't even pay rent in Sonoma County? Our young people in their prime and $45,000 is not enough without going in to debt. What is the minimum wage here? $10.50 an hour now I think, so it takes at least 2 minimum wage earners to not even be able to pay the rent, much less put anything to savings.
In California the pols tried to mandate retirement savings for poor people, to supplement SS. Don't raise wages enough or control speculators in the housing market, just make them save money they don't have. "We're capitalists".
I'm glad you prospered inside the system that granted no "Adjustments in lifestyle", whether you worked hard for it or not. I know people who worked hard and saved, and still lost everything after retirement. On the other hand, my immigrant neighbors work six days a week, seven during harvest. They go to the food bank to subsidize California's wine industry. I have no idea how they could "adjust their lifestyle" except maybe just quit working and go home. But then they wouldn't be paying for our Social Security, much much more than any billionaire ever pays, comparatively.
peace
I truly see both points.
I have a sister who is horrible with money. Did not save and could have, especially once her kids were grown and she made a bit more. I realize the difference, but I did what earthling1 did - I heard that message back under St Ronnie the Dim and once I made enough I started saving, small amount at first but more later. I still did not start early enough, and really, I couldn't have before getting a degree and being VERY lucky timing wise. When I started working for a major company all they cared about was the degree, not experience, and I got lucky. Mid 90's don't ya know.
My sister has told my niece and nephew many times to learn their money skills from me and not her or their dad and she's right on there. My mother died 18 months ago now I guess, and if I told you how much my mother left my sister and that she's blown through all of it in 18 months, you'd be truly sickened. Lets just say 6 figures, very low end and you get my point. Will NOT save, will NOT delay gratification. I really do not judge that harshly about saving money, I know not everyone is anywhere near like my own sister, but she's used every excuse in the book not to be prepared and when she retires she's going to end up back with me. That's fine, I have a second bedroom and I am willing to share what I have. But if I lose SS, and in my gut I still think I will, I do not have enough to support both of us, and it galls me to no end that she refuses to see that. End rant.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
I see both sides too
thanks, I was piping up for the other side I guess. No official ever told me SS was just a base and had to be supplemented, especially not the disability system. Unfortunuately in real life I had to rely on what officials said and did back in the day, no one else around to give sane advice. My old "community" was neoliberal Ds, I bought their lies too. Darn it.
Right now I'm just trying to survive until tomorrow. 108 on the deck and I've already run the AC too much this month. Haven't been able to eat since yesterday and I just puked up god knows what. Maybe the people who pray will send some good thoughts out and some miracle will occur whereby the "new doctor" I need will become available for free somehow. Think I better hang up and go lie down for a while now. Thanks.
"Deserving" is such a red herring!
Are we willing to see people dying in the street? If we don't want to look at that, we shouldn't have social policies that lead to it.
And you shouldn't be the only kindly generous resource your sister may wind up with. Some of us will always be more flawed than others. Those burdens should be shared, especially by the more fortunate, the war profiteers, the predatory financiers, and the private prison vampires.
I am in NO say saying
"undeserving" regarding ANYONE here on this blog or anyone else screwed over in this shit system. But I am pissed that my sister felt it was just OK to literally BLOW all that money when I indeed have friends who live on SSDI and are struggling every single month. That is a huge part of the reason it makes me as angry as it does.
Another friend has a kid who's a diagnosed psychopath, 8 years old now but already getting too damned big for her to handle. And she's already been told no more pets and she should lock her own bedroom door at night in case he finds something sharp and decides to see what happens when someone dies. She's divorced, her ex doesn't work a good paying job pretty much on purpose, and what she'll end up doing with that kid scares hell out of me for her. He will have to be institutionalized and God only knows where she'll manage to find the money to pay for that.
As for spendthrifts and not even needing consideration? Well, I'll surely get just what I apparently deserve and get to support my sister in entirety once she's completely stony broke, yet again. That's OK, I used to buy her damned cigarettes for her when she lived here the first time, along with the cat food for her cats or the occasional vet bill too. Good thing I saved up.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
It makes me wonder
I'm getting the feeling that universal healthcare and a basic standard of living that includes not having a huge number of people living in poverty and going hungry truly are impossible goals in this country. We will certainly never get there if even progressives accept this idea that poor people deserve nothing, and it's their fault too. Who cares if other countries manage it? Not US!
If basic things like being able to see if you need glasses or keep your teeth if you have gum disease are "Cadillac" items that poor people just don't deserve, if someone is working just to stay afloat and unable to save a million dollars by age 65, or if their kid gets cancer and wipes out their life savings, well too bad, they deserve to die then. Or stay alive if you can, but go without teeth or eyeglasses or even food and shelter, because you didn't save up enough, so fuck you. well, ok, I thought that kind of heartless policy was what we were trying to overcome. This attitude that poor people deserve to suffer and do without is quite unsettling.
My brother's little girl got a brain tumor at age 6, she died 18 months later and their family was left destitute from her treatments and care, had to sell their house and completely start over saving for their future and other children. The smugness of people who have enough, and don't even think about how lucky they are that no disaster (yet) took out their perfectly executed plans to live comfortably. One day life may teach them what it's like. Or maybe not. But until we get over the concept that people should suffer for the moral failing of not having money, there's really no hope.
this!
This, amice, every word of it!
One caveat: the "Cadillac" distinction came from the ACA itself, it's not from the attitudes of those who are fortunate enough to enjoy such coverage. (Or at least not most of them, in my experience.)
I sorrow at this story -- and also am stirred to anger thereat.
This X 10,000!
The Ultimate deliver us all from any such comeuppance!
Especially since altogether too often these days, not having money isn't a moral failing at all, at least not on the part of the one lacking the money!
The day and age wherein one could count on hard work resulting in prosperity has ended. Today, it's more sheer dumb luck than anything else that brings prosperity.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Pray for mercy, not for justice.
Well said.
mercy
Thank you!
And practice Mercy in all that you can, that you might have Mercy when you need it!
p.s. "Pray for Mercy, not Strength" is also appropriate!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
The power of community
thanks, I wasn't sure where to put this comment. It's kind of long, full moon chatty. Yesterday up thread I was feeling quite like 911 material so said with some snark:
Then I did go lie down and by some miracle my cannabis provider called at 5pm, by 7pm I was feeling good enough to eat again, just a tiny bit but enough to get started gaining weight back. I remember when 130 was my goal, now 125. Yesterday I saw 122 for the first time since high school, feels like stress is taking me out by starvation or something, I don't know. If I trusted the healthcare system I might try to find a good lab to take some blood tests, but that also takes a doctor who knows what they would be prescribing, and be able to explain the total cost over time, stuff like that. I wouldn't be able to pay for it up front anyway. I have too many recent bad memories too, it's gonna take a lot.
In the meantime thanks all C99ers for the great conversation(s) and this essay, and thanks to whoever sent good thoughts, For me it was a blessed miracle to start feeling better after feeling so near the exit, it is pretty pretty awful lately. I am fine thinking y'all helped make it better with positive vibes, prayer, whatever happened was good. I feel grateful, and lucky too. Please support more cannabis research on humans, I would join a clinical trial except Sessions might lock me up or cut off my check or something. Propaganda making me paranoid. After ACA, my Medicare GP did say she could longer discuss cannabis because Health Centers were now federally funded, and Schedule 1 still considers it felonious. Before that I was wide open about my usage with her because it is about my health and I did not want any adverse reactions from other drugs she might have suggested.
I could rant every day about Prop64 implementation, legal weed coming to California. It is my fear they are on a path to take all the medicine out, and just treat it, brand it, tax it like booze and cigarettes. "That's the system." There are only a couple few strains and hybrids of sativa, and zero indica, that actually do work for me for different ailments. Reducing inflammation is how I think it is helps a lot, but I don't know exactly. If my current provider gets out the game now, like a lot of the small farmers are, I'm stranded again. I'm trying not to be too selfish about it, but there it is.
Cannabis bans are being put in to place all over the state, it is how the law is written. I live under one right now, but it is relaxed since the voters decided a 10% surtax on top of everything else is great, and they will allow one dispensary next year. I haven't seen one local bust yet this season, cops are looking the other way for now. Our one shop will be aimed toward high end tourism, not healthcare, because this is Cloverdale. You have to eXperience it to believe it, or so says the Chamber of Commerce. lol
peace
put away what?
This!
And that's before we even start addressing the fact that fewer and fewer of us 99%ers can count on continuous employment these days. To "put money away" like earthling1 describes, one needs a stable livelihood, one that does not go away or fail. Altogether too often, today's 99%ers' job histories look more like strings of 18-month giglets punctuated by two year periods of unemployment. And that's regardless of the worker's behavior.
That describes my trajectory exactly up to my mid-50s when I became disabled. My paltry savings evaporated like smoke, and now Social Security and Medicare are all I have. If I had been able to count on being continuously employed at an adult wage from high school onward, things would be different. But they're not.
For a retirement system to work, it must work for everybody, or almost everybody. And ours doesn't. And won't, unless and until we finally, openly, and publicly admit that there are far too many workers in the market for any traditional capitalist solution to work. The root cause of all of this lies in the fact that all American regular labor markets are glutted with oversupply, and the resulting downward pressure on compensation has essentially broken us all.
The tales that are told of spendthrift idiots can be dismissed without consideration, too, until these things are fixed.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Even the Repubs make money at Obamacare.
They don't really want to repeal it because too much revolving money is in it. Besides, if a Democrat wins the White House in 2020, they can go back to the path they were on under Obama, with record legislative gains and such.
"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama
@Cassiodorus Was going to say, why
Was going to say, why repeal the plan they originally liked? Sure, tons of kabuki theater about being against it. Some folks mentioned red meat, and yup, ACA is one of them.