@CB
Have gone insane, haven't they? I don't mean 'insane' as some kind of put down, or to express incredulity, but as in the guy who plants toasters in his garden expecting to get a spaceship tree from it.

Not Just Trump: How Bernie Sanders' Campaign Also Had Deeply Imbedded Russian Connections
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So Bernie Sanders hired a political consultant with pro-Russia experience, had a mysterious unidentified campaign donation, had numerous Russian agents working on behalf of his campaign, and benefitted from Russian-backed Wikileaks. At a time when a public investigation is centering on the Trump administration, the question begs to be asked: what was Bernie Sanders' role in all this? Was Russia simply using Sanders and his supporters as willing stooges in their effots to bring down Hillary Clinton? Or did Sanders have knowledge of their involvement? Who gave Sanders that mysterious $10 million donation? Why did he refuse to submit his final FEC filing? And why has Bernie Sanders remained silent as the Trump Administration has become more and more corrupt in its dealings with Russia?
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To paraphrase Congressman Adam Schiff, all of these Russian connections might be a coincidence for a person like Bernie Sanders. Or there might actually be an intentional collusion between the two parties. At this point though, this issue needs to be raised. Sanders' silence on any and all Russian-related issues since the election is deepy troubling at a time when his supporters still believe him to be a savior of the party. As groups like Justice Democrats try to undermine the Democratic Party by attempting to primary candidates they don't beleive to be progressive enough, there needs to be a thorough discussion about Sanders' potential involvement with a foreign adversary that direclty infringed upon the sovereignty of our nation. As someone who directly benefitted from Russian interference, both politically and monetarily, Sanders owes us all, not just Democrats, an explanation for everthing that has happened.

At this point, it's the least he can do.

@CB

The People's View still exists? Citizen K didn't spontaneously combust from the heat of his fevered lunacy? That was the site the Obama Administration, the focus of the site-members' idolatry, specifically mocked and urged to dial it down.

Not Just Trump: How Bernie Sanders' Campaign Also Had Deeply Imbedded Russian Connections
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So Bernie Sanders hired a political consultant with pro-Russia experience, had a mysterious unidentified campaign donation, had numerous Russian agents working on behalf of his campaign, and benefitted from Russian-backed Wikileaks. At a time when a public investigation is centering on the Trump administration, the question begs to be asked: what was Bernie Sanders' role in all this? Was Russia simply using Sanders and his supporters as willing stooges in their effots to bring down Hillary Clinton? Or did Sanders have knowledge of their involvement? Who gave Sanders that mysterious $10 million donation? Why did he refuse to submit his final FEC filing? And why has Bernie Sanders remained silent as the Trump Administration has become more and more corrupt in its dealings with Russia?
...
To paraphrase Congressman Adam Schiff, all of these Russian connections might be a coincidence for a person like Bernie Sanders. Or there might actually be an intentional collusion between the two parties. At this point though, this issue needs to be raised. Sanders' silence on any and all Russian-related issues since the election is deepy troubling at a time when his supporters still believe him to be a savior of the party. As groups like Justice Democrats try to undermine the Democratic Party by attempting to primary candidates they don't beleive to be progressive enough, there needs to be a thorough discussion about Sanders' potential involvement with a foreign adversary that direclty infringed upon the sovereignty of our nation. As someone who directly benefitted from Russian interference, both politically and monetarily, Sanders owes us all, not just Democrats, an explanation for everthing that has happened.

At this point, it's the least he can do.

@CB Bernie remained silent about the crap Russia narrative? When the hell did that happen? He's been going on about it pretty much weekly, if not daily, for at least a couple of months.

Do people just make shit up and say it?

Here, let me try:

"What about Bernie's unexplained trip to Area 51, and witness reports that he was seen talking to a grey creature with slanty eyes?"

Not Just Trump: How Bernie Sanders' Campaign Also Had Deeply Imbedded Russian Connections
...
So Bernie Sanders hired a political consultant with pro-Russia experience, had a mysterious unidentified campaign donation, had numerous Russian agents working on behalf of his campaign, and benefitted from Russian-backed Wikileaks. At a time when a public investigation is centering on the Trump administration, the question begs to be asked: what was Bernie Sanders' role in all this? Was Russia simply using Sanders and his supporters as willing stooges in their effots to bring down Hillary Clinton? Or did Sanders have knowledge of their involvement? Who gave Sanders that mysterious $10 million donation? Why did he refuse to submit his final FEC filing? And why has Bernie Sanders remained silent as the Trump Administration has become more and more corrupt in its dealings with Russia?
...
To paraphrase Congressman Adam Schiff, all of these Russian connections might be a coincidence for a person like Bernie Sanders. Or there might actually be an intentional collusion between the two parties. At this point though, this issue needs to be raised. Sanders' silence on any and all Russian-related issues since the election is deepy troubling at a time when his supporters still believe him to be a savior of the party. As groups like Justice Democrats try to undermine the Democratic Party by attempting to primary candidates they don't beleive to be progressive enough, there needs to be a thorough discussion about Sanders' potential involvement with a foreign adversary that direclty infringed upon the sovereignty of our nation. As someone who directly benefitted from Russian interference, both politically and monetarily, Sanders owes us all, not just Democrats, an explanation for everthing that has happened.

At this point, it's the least he can do.

@thanatokephaloides @thanatokephaloides However, what is most concerning about progressive ideology is that it maintains the belief that ultimate good comes from a centrally planned state or in essence the government.

Well, we could become advocates of left-wing anarchism instead.

To the Barricades!

There, is that better for those distressed rightists?

Shermichael Singleton is a CNN political commentator and a Republican political strategist who has worked on the presidential campaigns of Mitt Romney and Ben Carson.

In other words, a bitterly anti-progressive (read: asshole corporatist) commentator on a severely right-wing website.

We may as well have had that comment written by Ayn Rand herself.

Any time you see corporatist right-wing commentators advocate "freedom", such as when Singleton did here:

However, what is most concerning about progressive ideology is that it maintains the belief that ultimate good comes from a centrally planned state or in essence the government. Similar to socialism, progressivism advocates for a government built on compulsory force.

what he's really advocating is the freedom of the rich and the strong to crush everybody else.

Continuing with Singleton:

The government cannot possibly know the needs of every single person today, so that the needs of the individual are met for tomorrow. Any more than a socialist system knows how much of a product to produce. The two are arguably one in the same.

One of the biggest problems with progressivism is that they advocate the importance of a centralized nurturing state with a moral goal, but that has never been the role of government. Government, as advocated by progressives, is impossible because it is impossible for a government to know exactly what each individual need or how much of it that they need.

Interesting how the socialist governments of the Scandinavian nations seem to do a pretty damn good job of all the things that Singleton states cannot be done at all.....

EDIT: and that capitalism has never been able to do at all......

@thanatokephaloides I can hardly read to the end of those sentences in your block quotes.

"Well, go on," Wolfe murmured. "I never answer questions containing more than two unfounded assumptions."

Shermichael Singleton is a CNN political commentator and a Republican political strategist who has worked on the presidential campaigns of Mitt Romney and Ben Carson.

In other words, a bitterly anti-progressive (read: asshole corporatist) commentator on a severely right-wing website.

We may as well have had that comment written by Ayn Rand herself.

Any time you see corporatist right-wing commentators advocate "freedom", such as when Singleton did here:

However, what is most concerning about progressive ideology is that it maintains the belief that ultimate good comes from a centrally planned state or in essence the government. Similar to socialism, progressivism advocates for a government built on compulsory force.

what he's really advocating is the freedom of the rich and the strong to crush everybody else.

Continuing with Singleton:

The government cannot possibly know the needs of every single person today, so that the needs of the individual are met for tomorrow. Any more than a socialist system knows how much of a product to produce. The two are arguably one in the same.

One of the biggest problems with progressivism is that they advocate the importance of a centralized nurturing state with a moral goal, but that has never been the role of government. Government, as advocated by progressives, is impossible because it is impossible for a government to know exactly what each individual need or how much of it that they need.

Interesting how the socialist governments of the Scandinavian nations seem to do a pretty damn good job of all the things that Singleton states cannot be done at all.....

EDIT: and that capitalism has never been able to do at all......

@OzoneTom .

Now was it?

So it is probably a good sign that all of their strategy focuses on him as the enemy.

@MrWebster of buying elected officials if they don't get elected?

As soon as there was any hint of blaming corporate democratic party leadership in particular Pelosi, the defense of Pelosi came fast and furious. Democratic party activists immediately declared Ossoff a moral victory and looked at those numbers in a red district as indicative of a landslide against Trump in future races.

Well, really numbers started to come out-- Trump just barely beat Clinton in that district, and the previous dem candidate spent no money on his campaign and still got more votes than Ossoff. The central command spent literally no money for progressive candidates all of whom did better than Hillary in the districts, and the one guy who got money did worse than Clinton. To a tune of something like $30 million.

I wonder if at some point the rich donors will just go away given the incompetence and move their monies to republican candidates.

@MrWebster they pay off both sides. They win no matter what.

As soon as there was any hint of blaming corporate democratic party leadership in particular Pelosi, the defense of Pelosi came fast and furious. Democratic party activists immediately declared Ossoff a moral victory and looked at those numbers in a red district as indicative of a landslide against Trump in future races.

Well, really numbers started to come out-- Trump just barely beat Clinton in that district, and the previous dem candidate spent no money on his campaign and still got more votes than Ossoff. The central command spent literally no money for progressive candidates all of whom did better than Hillary in the districts, and the one guy who got money did worse than Clinton. To a tune of something like $30 million.

I wonder if at some point the rich donors will just go away given the incompetence and move their monies to republican candidates.

@reflectionsv37 If it surpasses even PhoenixWoman's masterpiece, that's truly saying something. At least this one got hidden.

I'm actually finding these last few days highly entertaining. Yesterday, a guy I know (who's thoroughly brainwashed by the corporoDem messaging) responded to the suggestion that Pelosi had to go by saying, in effect, that when Pelosi said "Bring it on!," Dem approvals went up. "Just ask Nate Silver," he said.

I had to sit on my hands so as to not type a response. Only problem was, I was then unable to wipe away my tears of laughter.

over at TOP that was written by Walt starr. His rampage of a diary against Bernie titled "Bernie Sanders needs to SHUT THE F*(% UP AND SIT THE F*(% DOWN!!!!!!!!!" is now in a bit bucket somewhere, but his 38 comments https://www.dailykos.com/user/Walt%20starr/comments I apologize immensely for posting the link but you have to read some of the vile shit to get a true appreciation of how far the derangement syndrome goes. You can just read the subject of these comments without delving into the swamp to see the actual sludge.

This had to be one of the most over the TOP pieces I have ever read! Not only was Bernie responsible for Hillary losing the election, and Ossoff losing his, Bernie was also responsible for the Crusades, the Hindenburg disaster, Hitlers rise to power, the extinction of the dinosaurs and the disappearance of Malaysia flight 370. Anything bad in this world universe was the direct and unquestionable fault of Bernie Sanders.

I'm really not at all surprised to see the Demolosers try to blame this on Bernie. After all they are perfect and couldn't possibly have any responsibility in losing elections. They will never, ever learn from their mistakes. I don't believe there is any hope for them. They are now rallying around Pelosi like she created the universe. I simply don't understand it!

I will admit that Walt starr's diary received a lot of push back but many fully agreed with his absurd diagnosis. You really have to see it to believe. Now some of you might be wondering if ol' Walt starr has been banned for his inflammatory words against the progressive man who nearly won the presidency? Not a chance in hell!!! While others, like Delphine have been banned for who the fuck knows why, not Walt!! No sirree!! He received a slap on the hand with a temporary timeout.

Again, I apologize for posting that link. I was over there looking to see if there was some breaking news on one of Trump's recent scandals and I had to read it. Afterwards, I wished I hadn't!

@Amanda Matthews maybe a meme will stick.

What's left are those too stupid to know it. The place is totally useless.

@native In any casual political chat, I can spot whether that person reads the NYT or watches Rachel within minutes.
I am amazed how many intelligent people have swallowed the Russia bait hook, line, and sinker.
I didn't see that coming.

knew that Hillary stood a good chance of losing to Trump. We were strongly discouraged from voicing this opinion at TOP, and often ridiculed for even considering the possibility. But as the Sanders campaign gained momentum, ridicule turned to hostility, and a fear that Sanders did actually have an outside chance of winning the nomination.

The same people, myself included, who predicted Hillary's likely defeat, also predicted that Sanders would be blamed for it if it occurred. It was practically inevitable that Sanders would be blamed. So far, all this was entirely predictable, and more or less normal.

What surprised the hell out of me, was that they would also be blaming Russia for it. Whaa?? I sure didn't see that one coming. Russia?... I mean really? You guys can't be serious! But yes, they were serious, deadly serious, leaving me standing there with my mouth hanging open at the unmitigated gall of this preposterous, and utterly irrelevant accusation.

And then to top it all off, they went and sold this cock an bull story to the entirety of the US msm! Which msm bought it, no questions asked, promoted it and spread it around like manure all over a freshly plowed field. I still find it hard to believe that anyone would credit so much blatant nonsense, but it seems that many people do in fact believe it, probably because all their teevee news "anchors" assure them it is true.

I do not think however, that this crazy Russia-Gate story has made Hillary any more popular or likable than she ever was. In fact it may have made her even less popular. Hillary is a personage of many faces, but the role of "abused victim" does not suit her personality well at all.

@native It's just a game thrown out there for the proles to chew on. Bill himself warned the campaign that it was going to lose, but they told him that he didn't know anything, and to pound sand.

Remember this, from Keith Ellison? It's hilarious now.

[video:https://youtu.be/FHkPadFK34o]

knew that Hillary stood a good chance of losing to Trump. We were strongly discouraged from voicing this opinion at TOP, and often ridiculed for even considering the possibility. But as the Sanders campaign gained momentum, ridicule turned to hostility, and a fear that Sanders did actually have an outside chance of winning the nomination.

The same people, myself included, who predicted Hillary's likely defeat, also predicted that Sanders would be blamed for it if it occurred. It was practically inevitable that Sanders would be blamed. So far, all this was entirely predictable, and more or less normal.

What surprised the hell out of me, was that they would also be blaming Russia for it. Whaa?? I sure didn't see that one coming. Russia?... I mean really? You guys can't be serious! But yes, they were serious, deadly serious, leaving me standing there with my mouth hanging open at the unmitigated gall of this preposterous, and utterly irrelevant accusation.

And then to top it all off, they went and sold this cock an bull story to the entirety of the US msm! Which msm bought it, no questions asked, promoted it and spread it around like manure all over a freshly plowed field. I still find it hard to believe that anyone would credit so much blatant nonsense, but it seems that many people do in fact believe it, probably because all their teevee news "anchors" assure them it is true.

I do not think however, that this crazy Russia-Gate story has made Hillary any more popular or likable than she ever was. In fact it may have made her even less popular. Hillary is a personage of many faces, but the role of "abused victim" does not suit her personality well at all.

@native She's made too many different excuses, and gone on making them for too long.

Her credibility is in the toilet for everybody except the people who are marching behind her because Trump is terrible. Hard to imagine that that constitutes more than around 35% of the population, but who knows.

54.4% unfavorable, 6 points better than on Election Day. A bump, certainly, but not really what you'd expect from the 24/7 pounding of the Russia did it/Trump is bad narrative since roughly September.

knew that Hillary stood a good chance of losing to Trump. We were strongly discouraged from voicing this opinion at TOP, and often ridiculed for even considering the possibility. But as the Sanders campaign gained momentum, ridicule turned to hostility, and a fear that Sanders did actually have an outside chance of winning the nomination.

The same people, myself included, who predicted Hillary's likely defeat, also predicted that Sanders would be blamed for it if it occurred. It was practically inevitable that Sanders would be blamed. So far, all this was entirely predictable, and more or less normal.

What surprised the hell out of me, was that they would also be blaming Russia for it. Whaa?? I sure didn't see that one coming. Russia?... I mean really? You guys can't be serious! But yes, they were serious, deadly serious, leaving me standing there with my mouth hanging open at the unmitigated gall of this preposterous, and utterly irrelevant accusation.

And then to top it all off, they went and sold this cock an bull story to the entirety of the US msm! Which msm bought it, no questions asked, promoted it and spread it around like manure all over a freshly plowed field. I still find it hard to believe that anyone would credit so much blatant nonsense, but it seems that many people do in fact believe it, probably because all their teevee news "anchors" assure them it is true.

I do not think however, that this crazy Russia-Gate story has made Hillary any more popular or likable than she ever was. In fact it may have made her even less popular. Hillary is a personage of many faces, but the role of "abused victim" does not suit her personality well at all.