British MPs prove themselves every bit as corrupt as American counterparts

Brief note here on ongoing tragedy in Kensington.

The ashes aren't even cold yet and smoke fills the sky of London. Grenfell Towers, a high rise estate (British Council House) caught fire June 13, 2017 in a massive conflagration, which has predicted years before.

This estate had been built in the 70's but "upgraded" with energy efficient materials:

We’ve been here before. In 2009, a tower block fire at Lakanal House in Camberwell, south London led to the loss of six lives and Southwark Council’s criminal prosecution for fire safety lapses (the council paid a £570,000 fine.) Just three months ago, it was reported that a government delay in reviewing fire safety regulations for tower blocks – one of the recommendations made after the Lakanal House inquest – could lead to future tragedies. At that time, fire safety expert Sam Webb was reported as saying that there is a “conflict” between fire safety and the materials used to make buildings more energy efficient (“The materials used are not fire-resistant and in some cases they’re flammable.”) We know that the 1970s-built Grenfell Tower had recently been refurbished with modern materials, and that questions have been raised by people who escaped the building about whether the new cladding might have ignited and spread the fire: one man on LBC Radio this morning said that “the cladding went up like a matchstick”. Conservative MP Mike Penning, a former firefighter, told BBC News that “the cladding was clearly spreading the fire… We need to find out what went on.”

A prior Parliamentary debate, January 13, 2016, noted that Tories vote down law requiring landlords make their homes fit for human habitation.

You may notice the debate is carried by one Jeremy Corbyn, speaking for Labour, and one David Cameron speaking for corruption.

Conservative MPs have voted to reject a proposed rule that would have required private landlords to make their homes “fit for human habitation”.

The vote, which came on Tuesday night, was on proposed amendment to the Government’s new Housing and Planning Bill – a raft of new laws aimed at reforming housing law.
The Labour-proposed amendment was rejected by 312 votes to 219, however.

According to Parliament’s register of interests, 72 of the MPs who voted against the amendment are themselves landlords who derive an income from a property.

Cameron cried: "We can't afford it". True, it might have detracted from his profits.

According to Parliament’s register of interests, the 72 MPs who are registered as deriving income from property of over £10,000 a year and who voted against the law are:

Nigel Adams

Stuart Andrew

Victoria Atkins

Jake Berry

James Berry

Bob Blackman

Robert Buckland

Alun Cairns

David Cameron

Alex Chalk...etc.

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Questions:

1. Will building collapse straight down like the World Trade Center?

2. Will anybody of the criminally-negligent property managers go to prison?

3. Will the Tories face significant recrimination for this preventable disaster?

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series on Victorian slums. The conclusion of the series was that political action by slum dwellers helped improve conditions for those who lived and worked in those slums. Yet now we see similar problems over 100 years later with the same mealy-mouthed, self-serving excuses by those in power. SSDD

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Questions:

1. Will building collapse straight down like the World Trade Center?

2. Will anybody of the criminally-negligent property managers go to prison?

3. Will the Tories face significant recrimination for this preventable disaster?

1. It well may. Cat only knows what the structure of the tower block is really made of!
2. No.
3. No. Surely you jest!

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Don't the jail landlords in India for this kind of shit? Are we now to look to India to be the leader in protecting infants from cheap ass landlords?
wtf?

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national news, but the shooting at the GOP congressional baseball practice has completely eclipsed all other stories. Even with little to no new information, none of the big three news outlets will let this go. No one had died from their injuries. I doubt that victims of the tower fire in London were as lucky.

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@Lily O Lady But WTF, they were little people, not august Congresspersons.

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the film of the building going up like a torch was really spectacular. I thought it would get more play. It appears to me that someone wanted to move on.

The thought of people dying in that inferno makes me sick. The probability that nobody will be punished creates an anger for which I lack the words to express.

They couldn't afford to fix it.

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the shooting at the GOP congressional baseball practice has completely eclipsed all other stories. Even with little to no new information, none of the big three news outlets will let this go. No one had died from their injuries. I doubt that victims of the tower fire in London were as lucky.

BBC reports 12 known dead in the tower fire.

"One of these days, they'll kill 10,000 in one of these firetraps. And I'll keep eating smoke and bringing out bodies...until somebody asks us...how to build them."

-- Steve McQueen as Fire Chief O'Hallorhan, closing scene, The Towering Inferno

And the fact remains: "how to build them" is: don't. Landed space, space on the ground, is a biological necessity of human beings. And it's long past time we faced the fact accordingly, and tailored all of our actions to reflect it.

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had complained to the management and authorities about problems with the building's safety, including poor lighting of the fire escapes, lack of adequate fire alarms, and dated electrical systems for several years. None of those issues were ever addressed.

There were 125 families living in that building and the entire building was engulfed in less than one hour. I have seen interviews of residents who escaped and none of them thus far interviewed lived above the ninth floor. As quickly as the blaze spread and the lack of an adequate alarm system in the building, I am afraid that the death toll will end up being very high. This is another horrible tragedy that should have been preventable. Sad

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just as the victims have. Let's hope Corbyn takes on this cause like an English Bulldog.

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You want jobs or not!

Our oligarchs are now global. They don't give FF about the common people. Commoners are there to serve the oligarchy. If that means they die in war, burn up in a building, or just languish until death, it doesn't matter as long as the profit margin and bonuses add up. .

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stay in a hotel/motel room above the 8th floor. That's how high fire department ladder units reach.

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Dear Dems: You lost the WH, Senate, House, dozens of governors, state level SOS and AG and about 1,000 state legislative seats. Maybe...you're doing something wrong.

It was in a Cook County building. All buildings are required to have sprinkler systems. This one didn't. It seems that the County exempted it's own buildings from the requirement.

Fire started in a file room where gasoline was stored. I think people died.

Hmmm! Storing gasoline along with old dry paper. What could go wtong?

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

by this fire will be very large. The full story will likely reveal gross negligence on the part of authorities at more than one level. Apparently they had been repeatedly warned, for years, that something exactly like this would happen.

An action group predicted the Grenfell Tower fire was an accident waiting to happen four years ago but claim their warnings fell on deaf ears.

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Triangle Factory fire near the turn of the last century in NYC. The city was angry when the workers held a strike, but felt guilty when they died under sweatshop conditions.

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@Lily O Lady It was a firetrap. Workers labored long hours for miserable pay. Many were immigrants. Although we still have gross underpayment for labor, at least the buildings are safer so that they can be repurposed for later sale.

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third world countries have been just as bad.

I was thinking of the firetrap angle. There have been nightclub fires where patrons have been trapped and couldn't get out for basically the same reason--to restrict access to the building to maximize profit.

But my sympathies always go out to people trapped by fire. In the case of the fire in London, residents had been complaining about lack of fire alarms. There was no building-wide sprinkler system. The residents were told to shelter in place because the stairwells weren't adequate for a building-wide evacuation. There was no consideration for the people living in that building, leaving many trapped and desperate.

A woman threw her infant from nine floors up into the arms of someone who happened to be in the right place at the right time. Nine floors! That made me think of all the workers in the Triangle factory who jumped to their deaths.

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now it's someone who Jews don't like"

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is always one of the best signs of potential that the oligarchy can be overthrown.

Everything, as far as I'm concerned, starts with how and what media we take in. For one thing, it creates disposition to certain points of view and preys upon insecurities and folks' inability to decipher the dazzling bullshit manufactured controversy, from the important things that really effect our lives which are not being covered.

I truly believe that if people had no corporate media (MSM) intake we'd be able to get the kind of society we seek. Because everybody understands, in a fundamental way, the elemental socialist truths of which we speak here, when one can stand apart from the propaganda that purposefully mars their better angels.

That guy's reaction to Murdoch's Sun is instructive. If only we could get more to reflexively reject and expose these slanderous propaganda rags like Mick did. He understands that the people who own "the news" are, in most instances, oligarchs who use their media property to preserve the status quo to ensure their pillaging continues, and employ malleable, morally suspect people with enough blood money to live a pampered life, along as they malign any and all LW social movements/dissent by supplying a relentless barrage of hit-pieces, ad hominem attacks, manufactured controversy, celebrity gossip and salacious titillation to distract and ultimately divide and conquer the masses.

What we need is more public displays of dissent against all propaganda. This guy gets it too:

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@Mark from Queens we are both on the same page as for the oligarchs doing
nothing but protecting their fiefdoms while pretending to inform
the "deplorables" of what exactly they must do.

I think the people are waking up to the fact the elites have
bought the govt and are using the hired hands (the 546) to
be the guardians for the ultra elites, the ones truly calling
the shots.

Again brilliantly said.

Everything, as far as I'm concerned, starts with how and what media we take in. For one thing, it creates disposition to certain points of view and preys upon insecurities and folks' inability to decipher the dazzling bullshit manufactured controversy, from the important things that really effect our lives which are not being covered.

I truly believe that if people had no corporate media (MSM) intake we'd be able to get the kind of society we seek. Because everybody understands, in a fundamental way, the elemental socialist truths of which we speak here, when one can stand apart from the propaganda that purposefully mars their better angels.

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those born Jewish

"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"

Heard from Margaret Kimberley

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Cladding review launched

Robert Booth Robert Booth
Dozens of tower blocks from the 1960s and 1970s have been refurbished with new thermal cladding similar to that used on Grenfell Tower and a review of some of those installations is already under way, the Guardian understands.

A construction industry source confirmed that professionals were examining multiple refurbishment projects in the wake of the fire.

One architect, who has been responsible for several re-cladding projects but asked not to be named, said that the common rainscreen system used on Grenfell Tower is designed to include fire-breaks at every floor and around every window.

He said that if installed correctly, flames should not be able to sweep through the cavities behind the panels because of the fire retardant breaks.

“The issue is the cavity between the existing wall and the rainscreen,” he said. “There needs to be firestops at every floor level and around every window.”

It is not yet known what caused the fire or how it spread. Rydon, the contractor said it “met all required building control, fire regulation and health and safety standards”.

The architect added that 1970s blocks such as Grenfell featured “one escape stair which is not designed for a mass evacuation, but is designed for a small number of people to get out whose individual flats are on fire”.

He said the “stay put” strategy which was in place at Grenfell was intended to stop people getting hurt if a small number of flats were on fire.

“The ‘stay put’ strategy clearly wouldn’t work when the fire is roaring up outside the building,” he said. “That is a strategy that would lead to certain death in the circumstances of this fire.”

It emerged the cladding used in Grenfell Tower was behind a rapidly spreading blaze at a tower block in Melbourne in 2014. An eighth-floor fire raced up 13 floors to the roof of the 21-storey building in 11 minutes. The spread was “directly associated” with the external cladding, said the fire brigade.

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@Alligator Ed I'm sure you remember the Oakland Ghostship Artists Studios Fire of Dec 2016 in which 36 perished.

My daughter had friends whom she had gone to high school in that one.
And so called city inspectors either turned a blind eye to it after numerous complaints, or as city records show, it hadn't been inspected once in 30 years.

All such a very tragic loss of life and horrible way to go.

Fire officials said the building had no sprinklers, and Deloche-Reed said the only way out of the second floor was a makeshift stairwell made of pallets. She said the roof collapsed and there is a lot of debris that will have to be painstakingly removed.

The majority of bodies, she said, were found up on the second floor.

“There was just one way up and down off the second floor, so I don’t know how many individuals were up on the second floor,” Delocke-Reed said. “The stairway was a makeshift stairwell. I can’t tell you at this time where the fire started.”

The East Bay Express reports there was a history of complaints about the building. “Habitability” complaints regarding an “illegal interior building structure” were made as recently as Nov. 14 against the property’s owner, city records reportedly show. It appeared that city inspectors went to the building on Nov. 14 but couldn’t verify code violations, the Express reported.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-casualties-oakland-california-warehou...

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@Sirena I do remember a disastrous fire which claimed lives from the Aragon Ballroopm in Chicago and another one, I forget where, in a ballroom with inaccurate sprinkler system and chained emergency exit door when the band Great White performed, using improper indoor fireworks.

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@Alligator Ed The Station nightclub fire in Rhode Island, 2003. Doors weren't chained, there were just too few of them, the club bouncers actively stopped people from getting out the 'band-only door', and the soundproofing on the walls was essentially gasoline. No sprinkler at all. The club owners basically got away with murder.

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@Hastur Was the soundproofing like the plastic cladding in the Grenfell Tower?

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@Alligator Ed I don't know what the cladding was, beyond flammable. The soundproofing foam -- which wasn't intended as soundproofing material -- was polyurethane and polyethylene: the one ignited easily, easily enough to ignite the harder-to-ignite other, which burned ferociously. It wasn't fireproof foam, but the fireproof foam would have cost the owners twice as much - $1150 instead of $575. Sounds depressingly familiar, no?

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@Hastur Profit before people, you know. That's the glory of unadulterated capitalism.

P.S. I didn't realize Voltaire was so prescient. Did he have nothing to say about SJWs?

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leading to unnecessary deaths, including many children.

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