A 2-question economics test

Here's a very useful graphic of different schools of economic thought.

The two questions for this test are:

1. Are there any other schools of economic thought missing from this graphic?

2. Which of the schools of economic thought have actually resulted in creating a functioning national economy with some degree of general prosperity?

The graphic is from Modern Schools of Economics: A Family Tree, April 8, 2014, Social Democracy for the 21st Century.

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1. edited - I missed seeing Marxism on the charts

2. I'm not certain.

Keynesian economic policies produced a prosperous economy for the US and Europe post WWII for a while, but ultimately was not sustainable.

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@Steven D I don't find any of the usual suspects adequately address economic in a world of limited resources, nor do I believe that the assumptions they make, e.g., that people are always or in general rational actors, or that free markets more efficient than other systems are necessarily valid.

I believe we need to look at economics as just a piece of the solution to our current crisis, the one brought about by industrialism, materialism and consumerism on steroids, in which we desperately must create a society and a world that has as its bedrock principle sustainability for all life.

Curious as to your opinion on the following: Link

The question of sustainability has become an important economic, political, and social issue. Major international conferences have been held to discuss the issue of global sustainability. A President's Council on Sustainable Development was formed to address sustainability questions confronting the United States. After nearly a decade of indecision, the U.S. Department of Agriculture has officially embraced sustainable agriculture as a priority issue for the future. Questions of sustainability has also become commonplace both in professional publications and in the popular media.

Economists have remained one of the most reluctant groups within the scientific community to address the issue of sustainability. Economists tend to treat sustainability as a resource economics issue, a public policy issue, or an economic development issue. The economics of sustainability is treated pretty much as the ';economics of externalities';, even by most contributors to the new international Journal of Ecological Economics. Even more significant, the issue is largely ignored by most people in the economics profession.

Why are economists reluctant to recognize sustainability as a major public and professional issue? Perhaps because the concept of sustainability is fundamentally incompatible with conventional economic theory. The study of ';sustainability'; will require a new, more inclusive theory of economics. Daly and Cobb, Capra, Berry, and others have pointed out some of the limits of current economic theory in addressing sustainability issues. Most such critics of economics, however, have suggested changes in public policy as a means of addressing this new class of ';market failures';. Some have questioned the foundations of economics as a science (McCloskey), but despite claims to the contrary (Daly, Common and Perring); no one has suggested writing a new theory of economics. New theory, rather than new public policy based on old theory, will be needed to guide humanity toward sustainable development. The purpose of this paper is to outline a case for developing such a theory -- an ';economics of sustainability.';

The concept of sustainability is far broader than conventional economic theory. Daly and Cobb refer to conventional economics as 'chrematistics'; -- the 'manipulation of property and wealth so as to maximize short-term monetary exchange value to the owner.' Sustainability is also broader than current ecological or social theory -- it includes 'chrematistics.' But sustainability is quite consistent with the root-word for economics, 'oikonomia' -- 'management of the household (community, society, humanity & biosphere) so as to increase its value to all members over the long run'; (p. 138). Daly and Cobb propose an 'economics of community,' which they would achieve through changes in government policies. The proposal put forth in this paper, instead, is to develop a new theory -- sufficiently broad to encompass 'oikonomia' for the purpose of guiding sustainable, long run human progress. New policies could then be built upon this new theoretical foundation.

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@Steven D It then got broadened in to an all-encompassing of material management, of which money management is a relatively more recent part. When populations were relatively small compared to earth resources, sustainability was something that need not have been considered.

As the graph shows, there are multiple modern schools of economics, clearly indicative that no one has found the magic solution. Economics in the past 100 years or so has gotten deeply intertwined with numbers, statistics. This is a reductionist idea that human behavior can, like atomic physics, be predicted precisely in a given set of circumstances. Unconstrained by government, the economics of an individual is more like Brownian motion, unpredictable and uncertain. Economics tries to organize this random Heisenbergian uncertainty with various rules. These rules apply incompletely and hence inaccurately to the "many body" nature of society. Without a strictly authoritarian control, all schemas proposed (not that I am an expert on any) are too reductionistic of complex interactions. The problem of strict authoritarian economic control, as practiced in Stalinist Russia, was the inflexible allocation of resources combined with a rigid administration of rules which became progressively more outmoded.

Useful economic theory must be based upon a stronger understanding of human psychology combined with flexible response patterns. Sustainability is one of those things which must be accounted for in a useful way. Sorry if this hurts the feelings of any economists, but economics has a lot more growing to do before it can be considered a science.

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@Steven D @Steven D @Steven D @Steven D
I agree that the economics profession has utterly failed to deal properly with the problem of sustainability. And when I followed the link, I was chagrined to find that the material was written in 1997, and I do not remember ever seeing it before. So, thank you Steven D for an excellent beginning discussion.

However, I do not agree that "resources are limited." I insist on greater precision, such as this statement: The resources available to a society at a certain point in time are limited by the technological mode of that society's economy.

From a physics standpoint, the upper boundary of all resource limitations is the solar constant of 1.361 kilowatts per square meter of the sun's radiant energy. The proportion of the solar constant that is required to extract and process resources to what is needed to sustain and reproduce human life would be the best approximate measure of a society's technological mode. So far as I know, no one has ever attempted to make such measurements and calculations. Because, I would argue, the bedrock assumption of the reigning paradigm of economics is that resources are scarce. You can find this sentence, or something like it,at the beginning of every introductory economics textbook: "The study of economics is the study of how society allocates scarce resources."

Well, if that's all you think economics is, then you are entirely ignoring the most important activity a human society undertakes: the process of inquiry, reflection, mentation, supposition, and hypothesis that we can generically call science. Because the fact is: resources are limited at any point in time. And if a society remains within one technological mode, it will inevitably run out of resources. Or, as Jared Diamond describes it so well: society will collapse. The process of science allows society to expand the scope of usable resources (no one could make computer chips 100 years ago, even though there was the same amount of silicon sitting around then as there is now); process and use known resources more efficiently and with less waste (100 years ago a farm tractor was powered by steam and was built of 20,000 to 30,000 pounds of iron; a farm tractor today burns gas and is built of 5,000 to 8,000 pounds of steel, and moreover, can plow some three to five times more); and substitute newly "discovered" resources for resources approaching their natural limits (for example, petroleum replacing whale oil as a fuel and lubricant).

Up until this point in human history, we have pretty much stumbled along without the important roles of resource limitations, science, and technology, being major considerations in economic thought. Is it any wonder our economies and environments are so fouled up now?

This crucial role of science in economics, points us to the importance of the creation of the American republic as a culmination of both the political and scientific Enlightenments. It is no coincidence that so many of the world's leading scientists of the time supported the American Revolution, and the creation of a new republican experiment in self-government. The foremost example, of course, is Benjamin Franklin. But I discuss a few other scientists and their roles, here: The Higgs boson and the purpose of a republic.

The school of economic thought missing in the graphic is the American School: Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, Henry Carey, Friedrich List, and E. Peshine Smith are some of the names associated with it. The American School has resulted in the creation of a national economy with general prosperity, is no small part because of considerations touched upon above and in The Higgs boson and the purpose of a republic.

Marxism has also resulted in the creation of a national economy with general prosperity: the record of the Soviet Union in recovering from World War Two is almost unimaginable to the average American. An apt analogy I read somewhere was if the USA recovered after all its industries and cities from the Atlantic coast to Pittsburgh had been destroyed and reduced to rubble. However, as Lawrence Goodwyn (author of The Populist Moment: The Agrarian Revolt in America) has pointed out, Marxism has never been successfully applied without the use of a red army.

Sorry, I need to stop writing at this time. More later.

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@Tony Wikrent Many valuable ideas have been presented which are open to further elucidation. I particularly like your usage of the early pre-Federal history of the US to link scientific development with the development of not only economics but "general welfare".

Here is John Adams, again, from his 1765 A Dissertation on the Canon and Feudal Law:
Liberty cannot be preserved without a general knowledge among the people, who have a right, from the frame of their nature, to knowledge, as their great Creator, who does nothing in vain, has given them understandings, and a desire to know; but besides this, they have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge, I mean, of the characters and conduct of their rulers…. The preservation of the means of knowledge among the lowest ranks is of more importance to the public than all the property of all the rich men in the country.

This is one of my favorite quotes from your article. Many, many more are contained. Any one with a need to understand the relationship of republican democracy needs a knowledge of the issues you've produced.

Since I am not an economist (ergo, not arrogant s/), could you please define the difference between a market economy and a market society?

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@Steven D it just says Marx.

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@gulfgal98 ..... points to the Marxists who came after him, some of which derived markedly different conclusions than Marx himself. (Upper leftmost corner of the chart.)

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@thanatokephaloides @thanatokephaloides In other words, they don't really want you to pay attention to that arrow on the margins of the graph, nor of those two little names.

By contrast, you have Kees van der Pijl's Survey of Global Political Economy, which can find at least three schools of thought coming out of the Marx opus, corresponding to chapters 7, 8, and 9 of the book I linked: dialectical materialism, world-systems theory, and neoGramscianism.

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@Steven D @Steven D @Steven D

Keynesian economic policies produced a prosperous economy for the US and Europe post WWII for a while, but ultimately was not sustainable.

"In the long run, we are all dead." -- John Maynard Keynes

NO member of that chart has ever produced a stable, prosperous national economy. The closest anybody's ever come is probably the Scandinavian nations with their experiments in hybridized socialism.

Economics is called "the dismal science" for a reason, folks!

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@thanatokephaloides Here's his essays page, and his book is well worth reading -- his fundamental idea is that capitalism subsists on an indefinite appropriation of "cheap nature," but that nature will not indefinitely be cheap, so at some point the whole thing has to break down.

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@thanatokephaloides
Thank you> I believe you are correct: none of these schools of economic thought have resulted in a national economy with general prosperity. A partial exception is Marx, but, as Lawrence Goodwyn, the late historian of the American agrarian revolt and populist movement of the late 1800s, pointed out, no system of Marxism has been implemented without the coercive power of a red army behind it.

But what about the creation of the USA economy? Surely, that has to be one of great economic achievements of the past millennia. So why doesn't Alexander Hamilton get major attention in economics textbooks and economic theory?

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@Steven D @Steven D Do we know that it isn't sustainable? It looks to me that what ended Keynesianism in the U.S. was political asshattery, nothing else.

The real critique of Keynesianism is that it requires a large colonial apparatus that treats people like shit in other places in order to create the wealth to have that nice prosperous middle-class society (which is the critique of all forms of capitalism that have a prosperous middle class in developed nations and an unacknowledged imperialist underbelly). But I don't know that a critique of its basic viability is in order. Unless you're saying it's not viable because assholes don't like it and assholes always assume power, in which case that would apply to any idea that didn't get down on its knees and kiss the ass of the rich.

Anyway, everyone likes to say that Keynesianism didn't save us, WWII did; but that statement always struck me as nonsense supported only by our ridiculous assumption that military spending is somehow different from all other government spending.

It's different in the sense that killing people is different than feeding them, but it's NOT different if what you're looking for is money spent into the economy by the government to create jobs and a greater circulation of cash.

The only reason the military industrial complex doesn't provide us with great employment in this country is that 1)it rarely makes sense, because of complex supply chains, to talk about an industry residing in a nation anymore, and therefore 2)capital, once provided with this global playground, will automatically seek the places where the treatment of workers is the worst, the most brutal, the most disgusting--and make products and deliver services which are the absolute lowest quality capable of being sold. Oh, and 3)because of cartels and informal agreements among "competitors" in the same industry, the low quality of products and services and shitty treatment of employees can be normalized.

The only thing standing in the way of any of this would be the government, so 4)we buy them too.

But the point here is that the military industrial complex IS government spending and there was no basic difference in the early 40s between USGov spending money into the U.S. economy to create jobs building roads, bridges, and campgrounds, and USGov spending money into the U.S. economy to create jobs building tanks, bombs, and guns (and making medicine and uniforms and canteens and and and).

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Just a simple look at the numbers convinced me that a large part of the reason World War Two got us out of depression was simply moving over 14 million people out of the labor force into the military. Voila! Unemployment problem solved.

The real interesting event, then, is what happens when the war ends, and 12 million people come back into the labor force (2 million having been left in the new, post-war military). The GI Bill is absolutely crucial to the economy adjusting to that military manpower demobilization and not snapping back into depression. Not only did the GI Bill send 9.2 million to college or work training, it also provided 4.3 million home loans, with a total face value of $33 billion ($292 b in 2016), 224,000 business loans of $609 million ($5.4 billion in 2016), and 69,000 farm loans of $270 million.

Largely because of the GI Bill, the percentage of Americans with bachelor and advanced degrees, rose from 4.6 percent in 1945 to 25 percent in 1995.

I agree with a few scholars that it was the GI Bill that created the American middle class after World War Two. Amazingly, very few economists pay any attention to these amazing numbers.

Now, as for "military keynesianism" as some call it. Government spending on the military is a waste. Just no getting around it. But, the big thing almost everyone misses is the massive effect of military research and development. Computers come entirely out of the WW2 effort to create machines to perform flight simulation, calculate ballistics and fire control; and perform calculations for modeling advanced physics for the Manhattan Project, and then, after the war, to create an air defense system against the Soviet Union. Not just computers, but software, too. Transistors come out of the Army Signal Corps lab work on miniaturizing electronics, which developed the "walkie talkie." This is the basis of the "Information Age" and it transformed the national and world economy, creating an immense amount of new wealth that was far greater than the waste of military spending.

The challenge we have is to find a way to continue the rich funding of new science and technology while beginning to steer it away from surveilling and killing people, to actual productive purposes from the get go. This is a political problem, and I frankly don't see it being solved until we stop coddling the rich and destroy them as a funding source for conservatism and libertarianism and their peculiar ideology of militarism.

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@Tony Wikrent I don't mean I support massive military spending so we can all have jobs, by the way. Just wanted to make sure that was clear!

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Oh, I never thought that is what you meant.

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@Tony Wikrent I totally agree that changing spending priorities is a political matter, not primarily an economic one. And of course, military spending nowadays does not produce jobs like it once did, even with the ridiculous amount of military we maintain. But then nothing it going to produce jobs like it once did, for many reasons, beginning with the fact that capital runs the show and sees no reason to pay a living wage to an American when they can pay 50c a day to a 10-year-old somewhere in the developing world. Of course there are many other reasons too, even including the ones the establishment loves to talk about because those reasons hide their dirty hands: automation and globalization (which they talk about like there's only one inevitable kind, not, of course, a policy choice they made).

By the way, of course you're spot on re: enlisting a bunch of unemployed people as soldiers. The thing is, I don't see how that's different than giving them a job and paying them and feeding and housing and training them while they do it--the only thing that seems different to me is that if you're offered the job, you can't turn it down (at least not back then, when there was a draft).

Drafting or enlisting soldiers IS government spending that creates jobs.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal
Actually, the engineers and scientists who have crunched the numbers have calculated the world needs at least $100 trillion to build all the wind turbines, solar plants, and so on to build a new, sustainable world economy that does not use any fossil fuels.

In 2011, the Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) within the Executive Office of the President, estimated that every $1 billion in Federal highway and transit investment supports 13,000 jobs for one year http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/09/09/american-jobs-act-state-state. Say the $100 trillion is a 20 year program, so $5 trillion a year is 65 million jobs. There will likely be shortages of labor around the world when we finally get around to fighting climate change.

Then there's this:
A $1.2 Trillion Infrastructure Plan Creates 27 Million Jobs In 5 Years

www.forbes.com/sites/.../2011/.../the-u-s-wont-be-able-to-grow-again-unt...

So say $25 trillion over 5 years, and that's at least 55 million jobs. So that's the ball park figure we're looking at.

In addition, the world needs $57 trillion to repair and expand infrastructure (from A McKinsey report a couple years ago. http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/engineering_construction/infrastructure...

Not done yet. We need to upgrade or replace every building on earth to make it carbon neutral. The technology exists. I'm sure the skilled labor to actually do it does not. I'm guessing that's another $50 trillion.

And, finally, a massive buildout of urban rail transit all over the world. We need ten or 20 times what is already in place in cities like Lagos, Mexico City, Jakarta. I figured ten years ago $4 to $5 trillion just for the USA alone. Chicago has the second densest rail transit system in USA, but we need to triple it to get to the same density as Moscow, Paris, London, or Tokyo. New York City needs to be doubled. $4 to $5 trillion just for the USA alone, easily becomes a $30 to $40 trillion program worldwide.

Oh, what about water and sewage systems? Can't rest until Lagos and Kinsasha and other cities have all the clean water they need. Another $20 trillion? $30 trillion? I don't know.

There are a LOT of jobs -- LOTS -- a couple hundred million -- that are going to be created once we end this bankers' austerity dictatorship, and get about the work of saving the planet.

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@Tony Wikrent Something I saw recently said that the people running this country, the current establishment, don't value work at all. There's plenty of work, plenty of people, but a scarcity of jobs, especially jobs paying a living wage. There's an explanation for that, but it ain't pretty, so people make up a lot of important-sounding words to make other people feel stupid so that they won't press them for what they really mean or what is really going on. "Structural" is one of those words; just tack it on to any description of the economic failures all around us and watch how the little people back away, confused.

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Computers come entirely out of the WW2 effort to create machines to perform flight simulation, calculate ballistics and fire control; and perform calculations for modeling advanced physics for the Manhattan Project, and then, after the war, to create an air defense system against the Soviet Union.

Don't forget breaking codes, Tony!

Most of the computers in the World War II age which ran flight simulations, calculated ballistics and fire control, and modeled advanced physics for the Manhattan Project were analog machines! (Believe it or not!) They were super-sized versions of the slide rules in their designers' pockets.

The direct ancestor of the digital computers we all use today were the "bronze goddesses" at Bletchley Park in England, employed to break Nazi and Axis codes. Once the war was over, and Shockley, Bardeen and Brattain brought the transistor into the world, building digital computers became a lot easier and the computers themselves became far more powerful, outstripping their analog cousins quickly and easily (a change driven by the need to build the air defense networks against the USSR and Warsaw Pact).

I've actually programmed and used a mainframe computer which used discrete transistor technology (DECsystem-10).

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Thanks. I completely forgot about cryptography. And, it sounds like it would be wonderful if you wrote a memoir.

But wasn't the Moore School Lectures on the design and construction of digital computers? That was the venue the Navy and Army labs decided to use to deliberately push the technology into the civilian sector.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore_School_Lectures

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But wasn't the Moore School Lectures on the design and construction of digital computers? That was the venue the Navy and Army labs decided to use to deliberately push the technology into the civilian sector.

They did indeed try; but "where the rubber hit the road" was that until the transistor went into commercial production, digital computers were never very practical. Once the insulated-gate field effect transistor switch (IGFET or MOSFET) went into mass production in the early 1960s,digital computers became much easier and cheaper to build. (And to feed!) Then, of course, the invention of the integrated circuit democratized digital computing and made it what we know today.

The laptop on which I am typing this contains billions of transistors. According to Wikipedia:

"About 60 million transistors were built in 2002… for [each] man, woman, and child on Earth."

I've actually had "banks" from vacuum tube based computing devices in my hands. Trust me, you don't want to have to employ them unless you absolutely have to. Wink

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1. I dunno

2. None

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@Alligator Ed Everybody passes!

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but I do know that in a world with limited resources, our current system is probably the worst system would could have. I am hoping you will do a follow up essay to better enlighten economic dummies like me.

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You calling yourself a economic dummie immediately brought to my mind Cardinal Nicholas of Cusa's On Learned Ignorance, De Doctra Ignoranita.

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@gulfgal98 If you know who and what Milt Friedman is, you know all you need to know.
The man who had the idea that brought down civilization.

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Great point! But Milton had lots of help: von Hayek, von Mises, Murray Rothbard, the Volker Fund, the Koch brothers and their Kochtopus, etc., etc.

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@Tony Wikrent Well, hail Hydra to that.

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and I think he makes a lot of sense. He uses the term "heterodox" to describe what he does but the UMKC people, like Hudson and the MMT theorists, do not appear in the graphic. Neoliberalism, or neoclassicism, or whatever you want to call it, is over. It has failed. That graphic might be interesting as history but a taxonomy like that tells us nothing. We need to start thinking in new ways. And, no, I don't think any economic school by itself has, or can, form the basis of a just economy. We can be guided by economics but there's more to it than that.

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Hudson is very, very, very important. He is firmly rooted in the American School of political economy. Hudson provides a spectacularly useful summary in a table in his 2010 book America’s Protectionist Takeoff: The Neglected American School of Political Economy

The American School is what is missing from the graphic in my original post.

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Why are we in it and where are we going?

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Jeesh, now there's a question! Couple questions! I could just refer to books like Jane Mayer's Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right. And they are all excellent books.

But I think a summary is what's needed. Think of this: can you identify any particular point in history where the old order of Europe (monarchical and oligarchical) families, stopped hating the idea of self-government? The creation of USA is a real breaking point with feudalism. A government is established that is mandated to promote the General Welfare. What were all governments until that point trying to do? They were promoting the interests of a relatively small number of ruling elites. The rest of the population be damned.

Now, this does not mean that the USA has excelled at doing good things for all people. In fact, I think history is pretty clear that the USA has never achieved that ideal performance. But I think it has come closer than any other government before it.

The problem is human nature. I always point to the first few paragraphs of Veblen's The Theory of the Leisure Class for an explanation of why some people are always striving to dominate other people. The ideals on which the American republic is established are simply in conflict with human nature. The founders understood that: "If men were angels, there would be no need for government." The founders also understood there was a duality to human nature. The American government was designed to counteract the baser aspects of human nature, while encouraging the nobler aspects of human nature, such as the desire to explore at the limits of scientific understanding.

What has destroyed the USA is the elevation of economic doctrines which believe that unleashing the worst of human nature will, through the magic of the marketplace, result in the greatest good for the greatest number. Interestingly, these doctrines originate in Europe, not in USA: Adam Smith, David Ricardo, Thomas Malthus, John Stuart Mill, Jeremy Bentham, etc., etc. That's the point of the graphic in my original post. There is another school of economics, the American School, and to it can be attributed the creation of the USA, the emergence of Germany (Friedrich List), the early industrialization of Russia (Sergei Witte), the industrialization of Japan (E. Peshine Smith), the development of South Korea, Taiwan, and other Asian countries. Why is this school entirely missing from consideration of the economics profession? It is the only school, with all its warts and faults and compromises, that resulted in actual nation building.

Well, who funds economics education? The rich. And the rich always end up being against the General Welfare. Because they want to preserve and protect the means by which they got rich. Which mean entrenching special interests. But, as Madison so concisely explains in Federalist No. 10, political factions arise mostly from various economic interests. So, "The regulation of these various and interfering interests forms the principal task of government." (Emphasis mine).

Benjamin Franklin said we had a republic if we could keep it. I think we've lost it. And we've lost it because we failed to see the danger of the rich and their natural alliance with the old powers of Europe in their hatred for self-government.

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@Tony Wikrent appears to pick portions of Marx without mention of their context, or of the various schools of Marxism. It's not surprising, though -- there is an awful lot to read, and if a simple chart is to be made, stuff has to be cut. A neoGramscian theory of wages would probably point more to a "war of position" than to population, for instance, and a world-systems theory of foreign trade would point to the underdevelopment thesis of Andre Gunder Frank and those who came after him.

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@Cassiodorus Thank you for that. It's like saying "anarchism."

You can clearly see which schools of thought have been neglected; it's the ones about which we make more generalizations, because we know less about them, because we've spent less time on them.

I know who Gramsci is, and read a little bit in grad school, but mostly I have no notion what you're talking about, and I have a reasonably good education.

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@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal

Thank you for that. It's like saying "anarchism."
You can clearly see which schools of thought have been neglected;

Anarchists always get neglected. Especially leftist ones. Smile

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@Tony Wikrent I've only gotten through "Killing the Host" and really enjoyed that one because he puts it so simply. And the redundancy which can be annoying in other subjects is a Godsend for me in trying to understand Economics. I made it through Piketty, once but that's not really enough to get him completely or do that book justice.

And I agree with Can't Stop the Macedonian - I love these comment streams because I learn so much but some of it is way over my head - just a Bachelor's here and basic intro to Econ classes. For now anyway. This place is great for the references to lots of books.

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to take into consideration external costs - either environmental or social. The Classical economists have at least addressed part of this problem.

None have any mechanisms to deal with infinite growth in the face of finite resources. When they hit this wall, they collapse and cease to make financial sense. Infinite growth is nirvana to the economists.

We all agree that the US and other "advanced" nations have become the most prosperous nations in the world. But if we look at the damage to society (wars, strife, hunger, genetic damage) and the environment (fresh water, aquifers, biological life, air, global warming) that was done during this period, it was a false prosperity.

It was one hell of a party while it lasted. The hangover is going to be a bitch. Especially for the 50% of the world's population who never got to enjoy the party in the first place.

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There are some economists who are trying to deal with the problems of sustainability, resources limitations, and externalities. For now, they are all outside the mainstream of the profession--"mainstream" apparently being defined by who will be given a consulting gig with the World Bank or Federal Reserve, or hired by a big bank or hedge fund, and will be called for an interview or cited as a source by that blind ideologue, Larry Kudlow, on CNBC.

Back in December 2016, Angry Bear blog had a very insightful three-part posting on "economic growth."

...full employment has always been a utopia. But it is a utopia long abandoned by economists, who have substituted the totem of economic growth for the utopia of full employment.
--From Full Employment To “Inclusive Growth”

I think the substitution of "growth" for full employment was inevitable in the clash between a political system supposedly dedicated to the General Welfare, and an economic paradigm that worships selfishness as a virtue. The point of my posting the original graphic of schools of economic thought, was to help people realize that almost all of what is accepted as economic knowledge today, has very little to do with the actual history of how the USA economy was developed in a positive direction: the promotion of the General Welfare. There has essentially been a fight between the American and the British schools, and the British school is winning. Hardly anyone even knows there is an alternative school.

The other two parts are very, very interesting, also: The Electoral College, White Supremacy and Full Employment as “Reign of Terror” and Full Employment and the Myth of the General Strike.

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Along these lines, a hypothesis from Econospeak, The Hard Core of Neoclassical Economics, in November 2016:

Neoclassical economics has evolved to serve an ideological function which is promoted through incentives, the selection of new adepts, and a conceptual hegemony: the purpose of economics is to solve economic problems with minimum, and ideally no, recourse to politics. Thus welfare economics in particular plays a central role, since it is the basis for proposing economic solutions that don’t depend on a political deliberation or selection process.

Removing political considerations, of course, makes it impossible to fulfill the Constitutional mandate to promote the General Welfare.

Then, note the first comment:

I usually understand "neoclassical economics" to designate the heritage of the Marginal Revolution of the 19th century and Samuelson's Euclidean system as laid out first in his Foundations and later, his series of college textbooks. The core of that approach is not the content of its assumptions, but the methodological commitment to relying on analysis to the exclusion of synthesis. The whole point is the schizophrenia of, say, a macroeconomics preoccupied by an esoterica without actual money or a growth theory fixated on the magical properties of "technology".

Whereas I contend, the promotion of science and the development of technology, and the diffusion of the resulting knowledge, are the most important economic activities any society undertakes.

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@Tony Wikrent to bring lawsuits against privatization schemes because they (generally) do not fulfill the Constitutional mandate to promote the General Welfare?

Or maybe some lawyers have already tried this road....

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Would be nice, but unwinnable under the present cultural dominance of free market ideology. Especially with the Federalist Society plot to take over the judiciary given the final push by Republican rule the next four years.

Also, how do you define the General Welfare? Alexander Hamilton did, and he wrote that it is up to Congress to decide. This makes sense once you appreciate the key role of science and technology in political economy. Would it have made any sense to make a commitment to landing a man on the moon in, say, 1820 or 1870, or 1910? But by the 1950s and 1960s, the frontiers of science and technology were such that making such a commitment of the nation's resources made sense, and promoted the General Welfare--just look at the spinoffs from the space program, and the enthusiasm for STEM it generates among some young people.

How slippery this is can be shown by pointing out that there are many people, even today, who argue that the moon landing was a waste of money.

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@Tony Wikrent wouldn't be helpful, however, it wouldn't hurt to start arguing that the politicians are constitutionally responsible for providing for the general welfare.

Most people have finally awakened to the way politicians take care of the wealthy, but the people seem to have forgotten the basics - that we hire the politicians and they are supposed to work for us. And I'm sure most of them don't even recall the constitutional phrase about the general welfare.

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invented any schools of economic thought?

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Oh, yes. Steven D provided a link above to one.

Herman Daly comes immediately to mind. "He was a co-founder and associate editor of the journal, Ecological Economics. In 1989 Daly and John B. Cobb developed the Index of Sustainable Economic Welfare (ISEW), which they proposed as a more valid measure of socio-economic progress than gross domestic product."

I think the best introductory book on economics is by my friend, Jon Larson: Elegant Technology: Economic Prosperity from an Environmental Blueprint. He has made the entire book available for free online as a downloadable .pdf file of the complete text. I urge you to read it as soon as possible.

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