@Amanda Matthews The Deep State will have its wars, you and I be damned.

I am definitely surprised that Trump is involved in this particular war though, I guess it shows how much power the Deep State wields.

Hell I figured it was abdolutely vital to keep the Clinton Creature out of the White House because she'd want to start bombing here, there, and everywhere. We apparently were screwed every which way.

@Amanda Matthews
then there wouldn't be much pushback against the wars just like there wasn't during Obama's tenure.
Not only would the democrats in congress be on board with what she did, but her supporters would be too.
Bush invaded two countries, Obama continued his Bush's wars and started two new wars and expanded the drone wars in 7-8 countries. #8 is Sudan and none of those countries qualify for him to use the AUMF because that was only supposed to be against the countries that were involved with 9/11 except for possibly Pakistan because that was where Bin Laden was rumored to be.
Congress did mollify it because he was allegedly going after Al Qaida members.
I don't know how he could get away with putting troops in 130-158 countries because they too were not involved with 9/11.

Hell I figured it was abdolutely vital to keep the Clinton Creature out of the White House because she'd want to start bombing here, there, and everywhere. We apparently were screwed every which way.

@Amanda Matthews And that's why I'd rather it had been Trump doing it over Hillary. Trump is making nearly everybody pissed off with his actions. Hillary would have kept both sides fairly complacent about it (the Dems because you support the empress no matter what, and the Reps because it was expected she would do it).

Hell I figured it was abdolutely vital to keep the Clinton Creature out of the White House because she'd want to start bombing here, there, and everywhere. We apparently were screwed every which way.

@snoopydawg and a war-pig.

to go after Saudi Arabia too since they are dropping cluster bombs on civilians in Yemen. And Israel for using white phosphorus on the civilians in Gaza.
Or they can prosecute Bush and Obama for using white phosphorus and depleted uranium on Fallujah.
Hey, Carter and Kissinger are still alive so let's prosecute them for using millions of gallons of Agent Orange on the Vietnam civilians.
Gawd, I am so disgusted with the double standards of people in our government and anyone else who turns a blind eye to what this country has done for over two centuries.

David Nir has written another diary on DK about how Tulsi Gabbard has firmly established herself as a stooge Assad just because she said that no one has determined who used the chemical weapons in Syria.

Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard firmly established herself as a stooge for murderous Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad when she secretly visited his regime in January and came back spouting pro-Assad nonsense that blamed Syrian's brutal civil war on the U.S. Now she's descended fully into the land of lunatic conspiracy theories to try to take the heat off her favorite dictator, claiming she's "skeptical" that Assad was responsible for using poison gas against his citizens. Whatever you think about how the U.S. should respond to this attack, this is an insane thing to say.

The Hawaiian democrats are tired of her and they want someone to primary her.
And of course most of the people are agreeing with him and anyone who says otherwise is being told that they are just as bad as she is.

Look at how this was turned against her.
Tulsi is not promoting peace, she is promoting an Assad victory. She parrots his talking points.

"(The Syrians) asked me, 'Why are the United States and its allies supporting these terror groups which are destroying Syria, when it was al Qaeda that attacked the United States on 9/11, not Syria.' I didn't have an answer to them."
"Let the Syrian people themselves determine their future, not the United States, not some foreign country," Gabbard said.

Listen to the code...Assad’s opponents are terror groups, she says nothing similar about Assad. Then that wonderful coded language of letting the Syrians decide. They did decide, they started a civil war against Assad.
Your better angels, the ones wishing for peace, are getting played by Tulsi Gabbard. She is not advocating for peace, she is advocating for Assad’s victory, and denying his authoritarianism and use of chemical weapons.
I oppose any US involvement in Syria. But Gabbard is not, and never will be, my ally.
She should get primaried.
I don't understand how this person can get what she said so wrong.

And of course anyone who disagrees with David's opinion are getting slammed.

With due respect I think the criticism of Tulsi is unfair.
Tulsi isn't supporting Assad as much as she's skeptical of the intelligence pointing to him. Just like the Bush admin lied about WMDs in Iraq, Trump could easily be doing the same here.
Tulsi's point, which I fully support, is that we shouldn't be sending our loved ones off to war based on a) attacks that didn't hit Americans and b) fake intelligence. I'll also add that Tulsi as a valiant combat veteran has the utmost credibility to debate issues relating to the warfare state.

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And apparently liking being in the spotlight, often by preferring to reign in hell than serve in heaven. If she hadn’t been one of the relatively few Dem House members to support Bernie, would anyone have heard of her? I suspect her support for him had far more to do with her own profile than any ideological outlook, if she even has one.

I am having fun reading the comments about Tulsi questioning Trump bombing the Syrian airport and asking the questions that any real progressive would ask, not applauding Trump's actions.
Heh, it's turned into a huge pie fight

@snoopydawg

has a bad case of R2P fever. Responsibility to Protect. It's a nasty bug that's been going around for years, and is particularly prevalent within the continental USA. It is a persistent malady, difficult to shake off once a person is infected. Symptoms include a passionate sense of American righteousness, a burning desire to right all the wrongs in the world, and a compulsion to bomb or invade foreign countries that are not sufficiently democratic. In more advanced stages of the disease, an extreme intolerance of all non-democratic governance may develop, causing the victim to hallucinate and lash out violently against imaginary enemies.

When interacting with people who suffer from R2P fever, it is advisable to avoid all discussion of subjects that may inflame or exacerbate their symptoms.

to go after Saudi Arabia too since they are dropping cluster bombs on civilians in Yemen. And Israel for using white phosphorus on the civilians in Gaza.
Or they can prosecute Bush and Obama for using white phosphorus and depleted uranium on Fallujah.
Hey, Carter and Kissinger are still alive so let's prosecute them for using millions of gallons of Agent Orange on the Vietnam civilians.
Gawd, I am so disgusted with the double standards of people in our government and anyone else who turns a blind eye to what this country has done for over two centuries.

David Nir has written another diary on DK about how Tulsi Gabbard has firmly established herself as a stooge Assad just because she said that no one has determined who used the chemical weapons in Syria.

Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard firmly established herself as a stooge for murderous Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad when she secretly visited his regime in January and came back spouting pro-Assad nonsense that blamed Syrian's brutal civil war on the U.S. Now she's descended fully into the land of lunatic conspiracy theories to try to take the heat off her favorite dictator, claiming she's "skeptical" that Assad was responsible for using poison gas against his citizens. Whatever you think about how the U.S. should respond to this attack, this is an insane thing to say.

The Hawaiian democrats are tired of her and they want someone to primary her.
And of course most of the people are agreeing with him and anyone who says otherwise is being told that they are just as bad as she is.

Look at how this was turned against her.
Tulsi is not promoting peace, she is promoting an Assad victory. She parrots his talking points.

"(The Syrians) asked me, 'Why are the United States and its allies supporting these terror groups which are destroying Syria, when it was al Qaeda that attacked the United States on 9/11, not Syria.' I didn't have an answer to them."
"Let the Syrian people themselves determine their future, not the United States, not some foreign country," Gabbard said.

Listen to the code...Assad’s opponents are terror groups, she says nothing similar about Assad. Then that wonderful coded language of letting the Syrians decide. They did decide, they started a civil war against Assad.
Your better angels, the ones wishing for peace, are getting played by Tulsi Gabbard. She is not advocating for peace, she is advocating for Assad’s victory, and denying his authoritarianism and use of chemical weapons.
I oppose any US involvement in Syria. But Gabbard is not, and never will be, my ally.
She should get primaried.
I don't understand how this person can get what she said so wrong.

And of course anyone who disagrees with David's opinion are getting slammed.

With due respect I think the criticism of Tulsi is unfair.
Tulsi isn't supporting Assad as much as she's skeptical of the intelligence pointing to him. Just like the Bush admin lied about WMDs in Iraq, Trump could easily be doing the same here.
Tulsi's point, which I fully support, is that we shouldn't be sending our loved ones off to war based on a) attacks that didn't hit Americans and b) fake intelligence. I'll also add that Tulsi as a valiant combat veteran has the utmost credibility to debate issues relating to the warfare state.

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And apparently liking being in the spotlight, often by preferring to reign in hell than serve in heaven. If she hadn’t been one of the relatively few Dem House members to support Bernie, would anyone have heard of her? I suspect her support for him had far more to do with her own profile than any ideological outlook, if she even has one.

I am having fun reading the comments about Tulsi questioning Trump bombing the Syrian airport and asking the questions that any real progressive would ask, not applauding Trump's actions.
Heh, it's turned into a huge pie fight

@gjohnsit

Right, the civilian 'collateral damage' doesn't matter in actual loss of life, terrorizing and suffering. Only the 'optics' matter. To psychopaths.

link

The Pentagon has struggled in recent weeks to effectively explain what lies behind a surge in reported civilian casualties in its air campaign against the Islamic State, fueling speculation that the new Trump administration is pursuing policies resulting in a greater loss of life....
“It does have a negative impact on our image at least throughout the region and the world, and it’s probably detrimental to the strength of our coalition. And that’s exactly what ISIS is trying to target right now,” Col. Joseph Scrocca, a military spokesman, said in a recent media briefing. ISIS is a common acronym for the Islamic State.
The military’s difficulty in accounting for the civilian casualties — exacerbated by classified regulations and a complex process for airstrikes — has allowed the Islamic State to advance its own version of the events. The group has accused the United States of killing hundreds of residents of Mosul and decried what it has said are “continuous ­American-Iraqi massacres” in that city and elsewhere.

“We’re ceding space to the adversary who wants to create the perception of disregard for civilian life,” said David Deptula, a retired Air Force general who heads the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies.

@Big Al

More from the site - “The Barrel Bomb Conundrum”

If a bomb were to drop near me, I would much prefer it to be a barrel bomb as it would be less likely to kill me than the UK and US manufactured professional variety. If however my guts were to be eviscerated by flying hunks of white hot metal, I would not particularly care what kind of bomb it was. The blanket media use of “barrel bomb” as though it represents something uniquely inhumane is a fascinating example of propaganda, especially set beside the repeated ludicrous claims that British bombs do not kill civilians.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2017/01/17/syria-consign-barrel-bombs-to-the-...

@CB

Freedom being the state where civilians have nothing left to lose - no country, home, job, family or life.

And democracy involving the legitimate government being impeded in fighting the terrorists brought in to destabilize yet another 'someone else's country', some of which you're funding, because there's good money in tossing out that government to put in a puppet government to run the country for you - or, rather, for-profit for your corporate/billionaire paymasters. And the more bombs you use, the more MIC profit for The Right People. Win, Win, for them, until the oxygen runs out on the world they've wasted.

Dear gawd, The Psychopathic Parasite Class are slimeballs... but we knew that.

@Amanda Matthews

I'll bet you're right. I know I'm seeing red myself.

Wash, rinse, repeat...

Obama’s Ludicrous ‘Barrel Bomb’ Theme

Exclusive: In addressing the United Nations, President Obama singled out for condemnation Syria’s President Assad and his alleged use of “barrel bombs,” but Obama was silent on his own use of far more powerful ordnance or the civilian tolls from Saudi/Israeli attacks with highly lethal U.S. bombs, writes Robert Parry.

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/30/obamas-ludicrous-barrel-bomb-theme/

That 'red line' might be the blood from innocents that we murder daily.