Now we are at war with Syria
Hillary Clinton has got her pompoms out cheering it on.
Call it a reprisal if you will, but it is nothing less than an act of war. We are now committed to fighting directly the Assad regime and their allies.
There was no direct attack on the US nor its citizens. The US has joined Russia in becoming directly involved in a civil war, on opposing sides.
Congress does not appear to have been consulted. Our President has taken an authoritarian stance alone and basically declared war on another nation. Any idea that it is of a war by proxy can now be definitively buried.
We did the same in Libya which has basically ceased to exist as a nation. What are the plans for Syria the same as Iraq another nation struggling to exist? The old Imperial borders are beginning to disappear and the ruler used previously to define them can be burnt.
What is the plan? What is the future for the millions throughout the region? Perpetual War?
Has anyone actually thought this through? Or is the intent chaos?
How many more people will join the list of the dead, maimed and bereaved?
If your aim was to give a boost to terrorism, well done.
Congress once again has proved itself to be irrelevant, well done.
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I wish I had consoling words, but they would be lies.
This is a horrid, horrid thing.
War is horrible. It creates horror. Those that order it never see the horror, and see only the riches that have been scrubbed clean of their former owner's blood.
Thucydides was right. Democracy needs leadership, but leadership destroys democracy.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
My real horror is that historically it is this type
of mess that creates major conflicts, intentionally or otherwise.
Absolutely. Even the Pelloponesian war
war started because of a little allied nation between Sparta and Athens was being threatened by another little one, and the alliances got called in... you get the idea.
I keep remembering a picture from my Oxford children's history. It was a picture of a Roman soldier being wished farewell by his family. Anachronistic, I'm sure, but the point was made that for that time period, the young girl that was there would still be alive by the time the empire fell. Similarly, there's people still alive who lived to see the British Empire at its absolute height.
When things change and empires fall... they change faster than we expect.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Imagine if another nation had bombarded Guantanamo
because it was a centre used to commit war crimes.
And just FYI for everybody...
Not believing the Syria Chemical attack is now a "Conspiracy Theory". Washington Post wrote about it at 2:34 this afternoon complete with detailed takedowns of all the crazy folks who also clearly believe in crazy conspiracies about Primary Rigging and Sandy Hook, and The JFK assassination.
Perfectly timed to set the narrative about doubts for the war justification. I think I might be going crazy here, because this is way too convenient. As if they knew that THIS was the attack that was going to be used as justification. Never saw debunking of the Yemen theory, after all...
Something tells me it's the ones they feel the need to debunk INSTANTLY that are the most true. The MSM and their actual proven activities have turned me into a crazy conspiracy theorist!
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Hey. I'm not the guy to call when you want support for
a conspiracy theory. Really. Don't call.
But hell, Gorsuch sure isn't news anymore either.
But this is, across the board, all good news for John McCain.
Oh. Wait a minute. Hillary is happy too?
We are fucked.
As the Oracle of Delphi said:
"This will not end well." But it might end us.
I wonder if Trump will take airfields in Saudi Arabia next?
He said he was appalled by the the atrocities in Syria. There are no shortage if atrocities being committed in Yemen.
The dystopia of our times, we and our allies are justified
since we called dibs on the "white hats". The people we kill maim and bereave is for the greater good, mere collateral damage. Nations whose governments we overthrow is for their own good no matter how many of their citizens subsequently "disappear".
Great point Humphrey
The fact that this country says that it needs to protect people who live under a dictatorship by invading or bombing them which only gets those people killed or dislocated while not saying or doing anything to the leaders of Saudi Arabia puts their hypocrisy on full view.
The Saudis torture, flog or beheads their citizens and this country doesn't say or do anything to them. They know that the Saudis are the ones who are world's leaders in funding terrorists, yet nothing is done about it.
Or when they overthrow an elected leader who isn't doing what our government wants them to do and then installs brutal dictators who get to commit heinous human rights violations as long as they do what our government or the banks tell them to do.
I read that Trump is going to put troops into Yemen to help them remove the Houthis (sp) which he HAS to get approval from congress because that action can no way be tied to fighting terrorism or defined by the AUMF.
We will see what congress does about this if he does it.
Here in the USA arming and funding Israeli genocide and mass murder is perfectly OK, but objecting to it will get you expelled, arrested or deported.
This is a hideous development
but totally predictable. Trump watches cable news and reacts immediately ( why worry about "Russian propaganda" when cable news has more clout ?). Also, Trump has actually escalated Obama's drone bombings program so macho warring is to be expected.
I have a serious question though. How should we respond to chemical attacks ? I have no reason to doubt Assad gassed his own civilians, but what should our response be ? Offer humanitarian aid and take in refugees ?
No doubt? Like nobody had doubts about Saddam's WMD
I'm afraid with the bloody carnage that once was the Middle East I have doubts about everything coming out.
@LaFeminista There was no evidence
There was no evidence Saddam had WMD, unless you are counting what W made up. I think the evidence of weaponized chemicals in Syria that the UN analyzed is pretty compelling.
That said, I am just wondering what the reaction should be when chemicals are used to kill people ?
They created so much, and he had used them before
as I say I have doubts not denials. I cant see any advantage in Assad using them only
disadvantages especially on a strategically unimportant town. Then again war is an idiots game.
So great...
We respond to people being killed by killing MORE people.
I want a Pony!
kill people
More of the same people, no less!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I can see mission creep and then a US invasion of Syria?
I can easily see scenarios where Trump eventually sends in an invasion force into Syria. If the neocons regain total control of foreign policy, Trump could turn on destroying the Syrian government army to remove Assad, which will of course, allow either Al Queda or ISIS to take control of the entire country. Or result in a permanent occupation as the US is doing in Afghanistan.
Regardless of how Trump does it, he will have the support of democrats, the media, and essentially NATO. The only critiques that will be allowed are disagreements on how the war should be conducted.
Confused
The cognitive dissonance is now strong. The lies so baked in.
I've seen folks who are now horrified that we are now doing this, with the potential for a full-blown war in Syria.
The problem is is that that is exactly what they wanted.
They wanted Hillary. They wanted her intervention in Syria to remove Assad. They wanted war with Russia.
Now they are scared this might ramp up war with Russia. Now they are horrified about the mad man Trump going wild. The same mad man they poked and prodded, demanding him to go to war with everyone and everything.
So why are they scared? Horrified? They should be jubilant. It is after all what they wanted. It just disgusts me. Politics and all this bullshit forces people to forego all reason and thought, to survive solely on a diet of superficial partisan propaganda garbage. Just disgusting.
RT.com
Just went to rt.com to get clarity and it is gone (disappeared), with a big "under construction" sign. Does anybody doubt this missile attack was a joint Clinton-Obama-deep state coup against Russia-Trump and Trump has been "captured" in two short months?
Re: RT.com
I just was able to load the site perfectly well (04/07/2017 14:16 MDT).
I strongly suspect that the cause of the failure isn't anything nefarious, but, on the contrary, large numbers of Americans like you and me wanting the same clarity and taking the same action, which overloaded RT.com's servers.
I doubt it.
When one hears hoofbeats, never assume zebras or unicorns (or unicorn zebras) when mere horses would and could have the same effect.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I'll say it yet again: Clinton IS Trump. Trump IS Clinton. They're identical to all practical intents and purposes.
No "capturing" required.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Speaking of RT.com....
.... folks reading this Essay and these Comments might want to read this article on RT, ‘Low efficiency’: Only 23 Tomahawk missiles out of 59 reached Syrian airfield, Russian MoD says .
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Either "only" symbolic or
else we're completely incompetent. Or both.
"Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said "the combat efficiency of the US strike was very low", adding that only 23 of the 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles reached the Shayrat air base in the province of Homs and as the following images suggest, they were not as damaging as some may have hoped..."
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-07/first-images-aftermath-ineffici...
In any case, the Russians are apparently very angry.