Democratic Party Civil Wars: The DLC Empire Strikes Back
The progressive grassroots is stirring to life for the first time in recent memory.
Even in surprising places like East Texas progressives are “coming out of the woodwork” like never before.
Democratic Party insiders have noticed.
“I’ve never seen such dedication and action in the grass-roots communities since the Vietnam War until this year,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said on a conference call Sunday with MoveOn.org. “And you’re really helping us tremendously.”
Yes. Helping. Further down in the same article there was a different story.
On Monday, about a dozen leaders of grass-roots progressive groups tried to deliver boxes of petitions to the Senate Democrats’ political arm, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, demanding that it stop funding three incumbent Democrats, each up for re-election next year, who said they would support Gorsuch’s nomination: Sens. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Joe Donnelly of Indiana and Joe Manchin of West Virginia.
The activists tried to make the delivery to the committee’s chairman, Sen. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, or its executive director, Mindy Myers. Instead, an unnamed aide came to the door, collected the boxes and eventually told them that no one was available to meet.
“Not right now, I’m so sorry,” the aide said, standing in the doorway of a building across the street from the Capitol. “Thank you guys so much.”
Democratic politicians should just photocopy "Not right now" and hand it to all the progressive activists they meet, because no one detests and disrespects their base like Democrats. To put it simply, the Democratic Party 'just isn't into them'. The Democratic Party wants to be Republicans, and it isn't even hiding it.
It begs the question: if a party's base is overwhelmingly liberal and progressive, and urges the party to move left, where is the push-back coming from?
For many years, Democrats proudly associated themselves with the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), a powerful group founded in the 1980s that sought to build a Democratic Party "liberated" from labor and grounded in "support for free market and free trade economics ... an end to the politics of 'entitlement' [and] a rejection of affirmative action."
At the height of its power the DLC was the dominant force in the party, boasting President Bill Clinton and UK Prime Minister Tony Blair as its acolytes. But like Bell's weak narcotics, the DLC, which supported the Iraq War and received money from the likes of the Koch Brothers, soon became a tainted brand. Long before 2011, when the organization dissolved, the DLC label hung around politicians like a scarlet letter.
One of these DLC-aligned groups is the Blue Dog Coalition. Formed in 1995, they reached their zenith in power in 2008 with 54 members in Congress.
Then came the 2010 and 2014 elections. By 2015 they were down to just 14 members.
"I don't think the people who ran the DLC ever really left," said Norman Solomon, a coordinator for RootsAction, in an interview with Truthout. "It is the same product, different name." Indeed, the DLC agenda is carried out today by think tanks like the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI) and Third Way, which push the same regressive agenda but under different labels, and with less public scrutiny. As the Boston Globe described in 2014, Third Way usually works "behind the scenes -- in the White House, the corridors of Congress, and the office suites of lobbying firms in downtown Washington."
Now, as Democrats face an existential crisis in the aftermath of the election of Donald Trump, these fundamentally conservative organizations, armed with millions in corporate donations, are working with a renewed aggressiveness in the public sphere. They are attempting to convince the party to shun its base and further embrace the so-called "vital center," and the corporatism that has long defined these groups.
You might think that the outrage by liberals following Trump's victory over the corporate insider and DLC favorite Hillary Clinton, would be a final rejection of Third-Way, neoliberal values.
Instead, like the Tea Party before it, it's an opportunity for the political establishment.
Sensing blood in the water since the election, the 13-year-old Third Way think tank, which was "never formally associated with DLC but self-consciously drawing on the same heritage," as former DLC staffer Ed Kilgore once wrote, has been especially aggressive. It has thrown $20 million into its "New Blue Campaign." The campaign, according to Third Way President Jonathan Cowen, aims to prevent Democrats from meeting "Donald Trump's dangerous right-wing populism with a liberal populism of our own." To put this in perspective, $20 million is enough to fund a fairly large nonprofit organization like 350.org or the Center for Constitutional Rights for about two years. However, it's a relative drop in a bucket for an organization that by its own admission is backed almost entirely by Wall Street sources.
Third Way's argument rests on the flawed notion that the Democrats have already been guilty of running a "base-only" strategy. The party's problems and electoral defeats, it argues, are because it is just too progressive for its own good.
What a coincidence! Third Way came to the very same conclusions that Republicans did!
You can bet that if the progressive grassroots keep mobilizing that New Blue Campaign will be only the first of many counter-revolutionary actions.
They will never stop spending and they will never stop spinning.
After almost every election cycle, New Democrats either try to claim responsibility for the victory or use the defeat to advance their cause. In 2006, when Democrats took back Congress in large part due to opposition to President Bush's war in Iraq, which the DLC supported, New Democrats said it was "a victory for the vital center." When Democrats got crushed in 2010, Third Way was, as an American Prospect article described it, "salivating at the prospect of a Republican-controlled House" so it could "vigorously oppose the left."
In the meantime, Sanders has recently been sounding like Dem Primary Sanders again. As if he has been freed of some private, blood-oath commitment.
Since the Democratic Party lost the 2016 presidential election, the party’s establishment has suppressed all calls for reform from progressives. Though the party appointed Sen. Bernie Sanders as its head of outreach, most Democrats continue to treat him and his supporters as unwelcome outsiders. In a recent speech, Sanders provided progressives with insight as to how to advance their values against an inept and increasingly out of touch Democratic Party.
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"I don’t want to offend anybody, but the Democratic Party cannot continue to be just the party of the liberal elite and people who have money. It has got to be the party of the working class of this country. The Democratic Party cannot just be a party that just does well in New England and the west coast, it has got to be a 50-state party.”
While Sanders discussed why the Republican Party is successful in winning elections across the country, he blamed the Democratic Party for Trump‘s election and Republicans holding a majority in Congress and state legislatures all over the country.
“And he also assumes, quite correctly, that the Democratic Party is extremely weak and incapable of organizing people,” Sanders said in reference to how Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is able to push policies that hurt his constituents with impunity.
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Never camera-shy Chuckie is sucking credit?
Has he figured out they are not all Democrats? More Exiters? We have to develop our own new Party.
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Don't disturb Chuckles.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
Not right now, you are just being needy, it's so
inconvenient having progressives just turn up, don't worry we got this, don't forget to donate, see you next election cycle, bye.
They want our support
to support those who are against our ambitions of what government should be?
Say it ain't so. Not a dime chucky. You and nancy can suck spores.
Wasn't Heitkamp of North Dakota one of those more and better democrats many of us used to hear about?
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
Chuckles gives me chuckles
Chuck, don't look now but those who are motivated anew are not out to help you, they are out to destroy you. But of course, you and your high-flying pal Nancy Pelosi don't need no changes. Turn about is fair play. Claire McCaskill gets it--she is shitless about being primaries by Progressives--as well she will. "Bernie supporters, I want you, I need you. I want to talk to you"/
Yeah, Claire, you wanna talk to some Bernie Bros and sexist puritans? In case you haven't figured this out, Chuckie, Nancy and Claire--the Bernie wing does not want you, need you, respect you. Just look at the handsome treatment received by the Progressive wing by the DNC. Makes you feel wanted, don't it.
Yeah, Dems are really, really good at convincing people with alternative views to come to the Dem side. How about Tom Perez, proudly announcing that Republicans don't give a shit about people?
While this may be true of the Repug establishment, it is equally true about you, you smug, whiny bastard. The "bases" of both parties are closer to each other than they are to the establishment, regardless of flavor.
Of course, we mustn't forget Hillary (although I for one would like to). Yes, she befriended all those not firmly in the D camp (i.e., those Bots who were willing to vote for her) by affixing the adorable Deplorable label. That label is much more suited for Disgraced Debbie and Duplicitous Donna.
One video commentator, citing an article about Tom Perez's fecal statement excerpted this from his source:
Right on, bro. Hillary for President 2020!
The Dem establishment won't take the base seriously
until the grassroots can primary-out some corporate Dems.
Only when they start losing their jobs will they stop looking at the progressive base with contempt, and start looking at it with fear. (those are the only two choices)
@gjohnsit And he knows that will
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I don't believe that
the progressive grassroots don't have to primary-out all of the corporate Dems, or even half of the corporate Dems.
Just a significant percentage to make them afraid (I can't quote a number). At that point the corrupt leadership will start throwing each other under buses to save themselves.
@gjohnsit If we were living
What do you think is going to happen when establishment candidates cheat in Congressional primaries, or state legislative primaries, or county council races? These are races nobody pays attention to. What's going to happen is that the Clintons will get their way, or, rather, the faction they lead will get their way. The legal system is not going to stop people from committing election fraud, not rich people from the political class, anyway.
A few progressives will be allowed to slip through, to preserve the illusion of competition. But we will never be allowed to take even 33% of Democratic party seats in any legislative body.
Hell, the only reason I think we should have a political party at all is so that the general public can know that a certain set of ideas exists, has a name, and has people backing it. So that my ideas (and yours, I think) don't disappear like a candle going out in the night--once gone, people don't even understand they were ever there. We're in grave danger of our entire philosophy being silenced for the indefinite future. That's why Bernie ran in the first place, to make sure that didn't happen (that's my view, anyway).
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Yes.
Philosophy, as well as the entire history of human culture. Museums, libraries, great universities, countless cities and oceans, people, animals, all growing things.
That reasoning is why I'm "working from the outside"
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
@Alligator Ed As long as they're still
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Schummer is too cute by half!
He makes the right move by adding Bernie to Leadership.
He immediately negates it by adding Joe ( Fucking) Manchin.
Well played Chuckie!
That's "Fair and Balanced" !
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
oops double post.
BTW!
Who on earth does Manchin actually represent except himself?
Clean Coal!
That is true! LOL
Joe. One of my senators. What a waste.
"Just call me Hillbilly Dem(exit)."
-H/T to Wavey Davey
@humphrey
Maybe check his 'Sponsored by' decals?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Sanders has it wrong and that's his primary problem.
"I don’t want to offend anybody, but the Democratic Party cannot continue to be just the party of the liberal elite and people who have money. It has got to be the party of the working class of this country. The Democratic Party cannot just be a party that just does well in New England and the west coast, it has got to be a 50-state party.”
No political party can be the party for the liberal elite and people who have money AND the working class. And if he doesn't want to offend the rich liberal elite maybe he should retire.
I beg to differ.
I thought this comment was worth repeating.
Here's what I said with maybe a couple of alterations:
"The only thing more dangerous than the 3 decade old right-wing agenda repackaged as (Project) 2025 is the illusion that the Democrats can protect you from it." - Richard Moser
Regarding Sanders
I have a strong sense that he is winding up to do something major. Outside the Dems.
Sanders is the real leader of the Democratic party right now, and he is not even a registered Democrat. He is striking a stark contrast with the rollover corporatists and also calling them to account. To me he looks to be in a very strong position with the electorate and the Dems have no one who can really compete with him. The handful that could would only do so with his blessing (imo).
Could be completely wrong here but the gut of truth thinks he's going to set up a third party, building out orgs within the current Dem state apparatus gives you a great jump on building the new party and its infrastructure. As well as large newsworthy defections. Look at the states the Our Revolution team targeted first and the consequences of a majority of the elected state party reps walking out of a state convention to form a new party?
It's that or Uncle Don Able Archer's us into plasma.
Exactly. There is NOBODY
out there - 3rd party, 4th party, Dem party, any party that can compete with the old man. Nobody.
I believe he stays within the Dem party structure, but it doesn't really matter. Nobody these days votes for a "party."
Bernie is God. He played virtually every card right and by virtue of that holds the place of Top Dog. I know the purists whine, but until they come up with a competitor they got nuthin'. Whether he stays within the party or "goes rogue" doesn't really matter. Bernie is going to get some Berniecrats elected in 2018 and 2020.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Counter
Instead of capitalizing on the intense popularity he has, he is desperately trying to rehabilitate the grotesque and monstrous Democratic Party. The party is poison to many.
He could unite so many, but instead he sticks with an entity that many are repulsed by. He continues to merely nibble around the edges of our political system, while claiming he is so radical and different.
I do think he is doing a lateral move now.
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@Strife Delivery and as he does that,
This is what happens when leadership is trying to play it both ways. FDR was no saint, but he got some things very right:
When Bernie talks to the Democratic Party like this, get back to me. When he has a cadre of people running the various NGOs he's associated with who talk like this and back it up with deeds, maybe--maybe--I'll consider getting on board with the Justice Democrats, BNC, etc.
But since June he's not even matching the much more conservative (and now shill) Howard Dean for impact:
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Let's see...
Well OK then.
"The only thing more dangerous than the 3 decade old right-wing agenda repackaged as (Project) 2025 is the illusion that the Democrats can protect you from it." - Richard Moser
While I agree with you, I would restate very slightly:
The Brand New Congress, Justice Democrats, Our Revolution folks all have open nomination processes to recruit and vet candidates.
Well, ya know...
People forget that Bernie maintained his 'independence' for many, many years before trying to reform the Dems, which I thought was a good move. I agreed with his reasons for trying it.
But now he's had some weeks of discussions with the defeated Dem leadership. He may have once hoped that the Centrists would retrench and try to stay low for a while, but no such luck. They are doubling down, instead.
I'm now definitely getting the feeling that he is starting to see futility where he once saw faint signs of hope.
He may be starting to see that the Progressive cause has little or no hope investing itself in the Dem party, but that certain key dynamics (the internet, social media, the massive failure of the Dem party leadership) have perhaps made it possible for a new party matching his own vision to start sucking up those disaffected Independents.
The voter-identification numbers are now getting so ridiculous that he has to wonder if a seismic shift may not be the only chance for Progressives to represent The People on the political stage.
In the meantime, he's been talking to a lot of people and getting a sense of who he might, or might not be able bring along with him from the Dem party to the new one people are wishing for.
We shall see...
James Kroeger
Old people are usually characterized as:
You'd think Bernie would have guessed where this was headed already, after the nonsense at the convention and after all the election "irregularities" and after everyone looked the other way while Clinton botched the November election and after Obama had Perez installed. They're paid off and they really don't care, and they've hired him to be head cheerleader for the "vote for the (D)" function only because they can't get rid of him or because as a Senator from a small state full of liberals they've concluded he's not worth the effort.
If I were looking for someone to have an epiphany at age 75, maybe it would be Bernie...
"The only thing more dangerous than the 3 decade old right-wing agenda repackaged as (Project) 2025 is the illusion that the Democrats can protect you from it." - Richard Moser
@Cassiodorus They kept him on
It's a win-win for them. Plus it gives them a way to insult him, which is unnecessary, but fun.
"Majority Leader? No, we're not making Bernie Majority Leader. We are making him Head of Outreach, though."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
& here's the song
"The only thing more dangerous than the 3 decade old right-wing agenda repackaged as (Project) 2025 is the illusion that the Democrats can protect you from it." - Richard Moser
@Cassiodorus No fucking
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Pretty much.
Adams/McGuinness were only banging their heads against the wall for 13 years before they started on trying to get to a negotiated settlement. In the early 80s that was an impossible task given the changes made to the constitution of the PIRA. Sanders has been banging his head against the wall for decades longer and arguably the body count is orders of magnitude higher. So the idea that Sanders is executing a multi-year plan to create a peaceful progressive revolution is not risible. Regardless the tide is rising.
It's what Bernie was saying, not who he is.
It's inaccurate to say that he is the only person within the Democrats to say those things. Tulsi Gabbert, Nina Turner, Barbara Lee and, I'm sure, a majority of these so-called Berniecrats. It's just a matter of rejecting personality politics and focusing on facts and actions. That's not going to happen though, with the current corruption that rules the DNC.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Those are the very people in mind when I said
Everyone is quite junior in the traditional political sense, you know "too young" as the establishment would pejoratively portray them. But I suspect that we will be seeing that applecart rudely overturned in the upcoming political tsunami.
@Timmethy2.0 The pod has opened for
She is now pod-Barbara Lee:
https://lee.house.gov/news/press-releases/congresswoman-lee-statement-on...
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I don't know if Bernie will move outside the Dems
but he's been doing some serious reform talking recently.
I believe he has something in mind.
I think he will if he is stymied, which I think quite likely.
Sanders does see that it is reform or revolution. Currently reading The Great Leveler by Walter Scheidel which has the basic thesis that wealth inequality is only ever reduced with violence, the greater the wealth, the greater the leveling, the greater the degree of violence.
@gendjinn
Yup. Apparently the only time any US Party has been replaced by a new Party was when some popular politician left and brought the failed party's disillusioned voters with him.
Bernie's 'Outreach' involves bringing the fact of what democratic government should be doing for the people restricted to corporate media - and he's becoming well-known and loved by otherwise corporate-media-propagandized-only people who respect his passion and sincerity, as well as his views and determination to bring whatever improvement he can to the American people.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
MoveOn.org
Is MoveOn.org really part of the "progressive grassroots"?
I was active with MoveOn during the Dubya years, before I understood about neoliberals. As far as I'm concerned now, MoveOn is part of the Dem establishment. During the primary, MoveOn endorsed Bernie only when pressured to do so by overwhelming vote of their membership. But they were quick to jump on the "Oh, no, Trump!!" bandwagon soon thereafter; even before the primary season officially ended, if I recall correctly.
For Schumer to address MoveOn as though they're grassroots activists just seems like more "smoke and mirrors", trying to make the actual progressive grassroots folks believe the DNC is on our side.
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
Seems like I read...
Move on is a Soros funded entity. Any truth to that?
My vote is to forget the Dems. I'm hopeful Bernie will leave.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
If I recall correctly
@Centaurea
Well, they certainly took over/bullied/bought most of what I used to think of a reasonable publications worth reading, but now propaganda-mills. One of many reasons I'm so grateful for here.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Democrats want our money and votes.
Don't fall for the phony progressive bullshit they spout.
The rode the anti-Bush, anti-war fever into power in 2006 and 2008. And then they started governing like war hawks. Don't forget that in 2007, the sent Bush a bill that would end funding for the Gulf War. He vetoed it. Then we heard all about how they would end the wars and blah, blah, blah. So the got the presidency and their veto-proof Senate majority. And we were still at war in Iraq when Obama left office this January (despite their claims to the contrary). They will do to us what Republicans did to their base with Obamacare. Make promises they don't want to keep and make up excuses for why they can't do it once they get in a position to take action.
If Hillary, Perez and Moveon.org are progressive
then the word "progressive" doesn't mean anything.
It doesn't mean a thing
The hypocrisy is mind boggling. My affluent mainly white neighborhood is 'progressive' and was/is? 85% Democratic. Lot's of Black Lives matter signs along with anti-Trump signs that say we believe in love,kindness and tolerance, blab, blab. These people are comfortable they are law abiding professionals who will don a pink hat and 'resist' the pussy grabbing pig but want the Democratic city government to get the homeless off their pretty streets. They do not like real demonstrations they're not safe and disrespect property. Law and Order. Trouble makers who are most likely dangerous anarchist's.
Don't want to rock the boat and get all far leftie extremist. Policy or representation for the 'losers' in this society, well you know this is the inevitable world as we find it. As long as they can feel that they are not the bigoted, racist, sexist, other but tolerant good progressives it makes it easy and safe to vote for, support and self identify with the corrupt Democratic city government who bill themselves as progressive's.
I don't blame them their world is comfortable and they are socially liberal PBS style. I do resent the fact that they are unwilling to take on the Demorat's and stop being so damn pious about symbolic gestures that do nothing but stir the culture war pot. The progressive guy down the street flies the American flag at the drop of a hat. He says he does it to show the Republican's that they don't own it. Bernie is popular here as he too is nothing but a symbolic lefty who is working for the Demorat's and call it 'reform' you can believe in and identify with.
'To push policies that hurt his constituents with impunity.' isn't restricted to the Republican's this is a complicit by-partisan endeavor. Organizing people to come back to the Demorat fold is the very definition of sheep dogging.
@shaharazade It's not nice to be
We're all winners together.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I've always maintained
@gjohnsit What the fuck are they
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Good question
@shaharazade One of the worst
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Voting for the party
currently agitating for war with Russia seems adverse to the notion of promoting good government.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
@on the cusp ROTFLMAO!!! Well put--
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@on the cusp May I use this as my new
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
@Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal Sure, CSTM...
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Almost like the DNC / DLC is doing more damage to America
than Trump himself. By trying to co-opt and neutralize the authentic grass-roots opposition to Trump, so that they can keep their sycophantic jobs, they are doing damage.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Damned straight they're dangerous
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Bannon sucks
And he's not really gone. I'm not going to support Trump because the DNC is corrupt. They're all liars. Trump is a conman who rips off people with fake universities. There is nothing good about Trump. The DNC is using Trump's awfulness to try to cement their own corruption.
Beware the bullshit factories.
Oh, I'm in no way supporting the Rumper
I'm not surprised at all that the Deep State got to Trump or that he's on board. They have no problem with him making a killing (pun certainly appropriate here) off of his "presidency" so he's all good doing their war bidding.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
All this "resistance" in and of itself, is a good sign.
It's encouraging to see how engaged and willing to stand up publicly to do something people now are. That can't be a bad thing. I liked the attached stories, in the Texas Observer of communities coming together to stand with the marginalized, and the other one detailing the activist push of staring down Dems who say they'll nominate the ultra pro-business lackey to the SCOTUS by threatening to primary them (but that's where the real fight is).
The bad thing is the cynical way the Dem Party is hoping to capitalize on it.
Most of all though, I think we're in a transformative moment. With all this discontent, on both sides, there's an amazing opportunity for a 3rd party to disrupt the duopoly. But the main thing now is for the real opposition that exists on the ground to get the message loud and clear" the Democrats sold you out, have given us DrumpleThinSkin and are just as much or more in the pocket of Wall St/Big Pharma/Insurance Co's as the Repgus.
Seems to me all signs point in the direction the one and only politician with soaring numbers that are way above the fray, to take that torch and run with it. No person in all of politics has the kind of gravitas with the citizenry that Bernie has. It's something we Progressives/the Left, etc. have to come to terms with.
Because, if one of the biggest impediments is the Duopoly, which many here including myself seem to believe is, then one outcome we'd all very much like to see is the breaking of that stranglehold. A Sanders-led 3rd party coalition of disaffected Leftists, moderate Repubs, and disgusted Independents could shatter both parties, or at least put them on notice. Bernie's been saying all the right things that would give him enough support from the Right who don't like Drumpf to take such a party over the hump.
The time is so ripe for a 3rd party. Now.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
I'll run with anyone
that wishes to change the playing field, move that overton window to the Left. Bernie is one of a few (we can count on one hand) willing to do just that, and has been doing that for a year and a half or more. I got on board the Bernie Express late in the game, Dec. 2015, waiting to see if the old man had the chops to compete another 11 months. Turns out he did. Many thought he "sold out" after Cali, but I just looked at it as Bernie navigating the train wreck, playing the hand he was dealt, doing what he could to maintain the "movement" he helped build. Others looked at it as Bernie bowing to the party PTB, Bernie taking care of Bernie, screw the "movement. The truth may lie somewhere in the middle. While some say Bernie campaigned for Hillary, others (me included) believe he campaigned for himself (or the "movement"), delivering the same campaign message he had been delivering for a year or more. I'm sure Hillary bristled every time Bernie opened his mouth, knowing he was stabbing her in the back. Regardless, Bernie still the man (while Hillary stews in downstate NY), one of the few leaders trying to change the playing field, move that overton window to the Left. Not Left enough for some, but... who else gonna move it?
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
@Mark from Queens He won't do it.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
[Insert loud Bronx cheer of disgust!]
Chuckie, Nancy the senile, and the rest of the Turd Wayers wouldn't know a true progressive/liberal/lefty/futurist even if one bit 'em in the arse!!! Rec'd!!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
@orlbucfan
Oh, man, I'd love to see the video of that! And you're right, they'd be terming them Russians, rather than Progs. At least, at this point in time.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
@Big Al, why does the Bernster bug you so much??
They may be rarer than rubies, but actual genuine liberals who have some serious coin exist. The Bernster is right. These rarities stay under the radar, but they coexist with us peons. Sheesh!!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Personally, I suspect that Big Al
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
@lizzyh7
This is good! Bernie would be the first - in fact, I believe he probably was the first politician running for Presidential office, in a long time, at any rate - to say that the people have to create the movement and make the changes themselves, in a groundswell, not count on leaders to save them.
They can't do it alone, nobody can. The corporate monster and corruption is ruthless and yuuuuuge!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Yep, and folks like me who have Demexited
will be right there in the trenches helping him!!
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
MoveOn is being infected in a similar fashion
to what happened to the Libertarian Party courtesy of the Cato Institute and other FRightwingnut garbage.
Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.
Bernies history with parties and their internal workings
Have never been good. My sense is he believes they are a giant time suck. As a result, he maintained independence. Cant sayI blame him given his results.
But running nationally is a different game. He thought joining dems as an FDR style cand2 would be approved by the party elites ...oops.
Now he has name recognition. He could dump the party, and I hope he does but not sure being 78 y.o. will be acceptable to the electorate.
Now you're seeing the fight I
Now you're seeing the fight I'm seeing.![Sad](https://caucus99percent.com/sites/all/modules/smiley/packs/kolobok/sad.gif)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Forgive me but I can't be the only person...
who sees "DLC" and immediately think, "Ah Crap, I'm gonna get charged for stuff that should have been in the main release!"
For those who don't know, DLC also refers to "Downloadable Content" which is a scam that video game developers use to increase the amount of money you have to pay to get things that less than a decade ago would have been included with a basic release. The worst offenders are big AAA titles that you see advertised on tv, which sometimes even require you to Rebuy the game if you purchased a used copy, in order to ensure a piece of all sales.
Come to think of it, that does sound a bit like the DLC...
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
Gamer Here
If I'm on game forums or talking with game friends, DLC means as you had just pointed out.
When I come on these types of boards, then DLC refers to the think tank.
However, I do find myself whenever I see on political sites like this the term DLC, I do find myself thinking of game DLC whereas the vice versa isn't true. Just my own internal quirks I suppose
@detroitmechworks LMAO!
Yaldabaoth, Saklas I'm calling you. Samael. You're not alone. I said, you're not alone, in your darkness. You're not alone, baby. You're not alone. "Original Sinsuality" Tori Amos
The Democratic Party no
The Democratic Party no longer gives a damn about the millions that make up their base. They will not reach out to the young and independents. They do not even really care about winning anymore. They just care about the money. Our country is in danger and it is an elderly wild haired Independent who is leading the opposition.
The Democratic Party no
The Democratic Party no longer gives a damn about the millions that make up their base. They will not reach out to the young and independents. They do not even really care about winning anymore. They just care about the money. Our country is in danger and it is an elderly wild haired Independent who is leading the opposition.