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(Edit: Lol, I might want to pin a tail on that donkey, but never any hope!)

Are you seriously trusting this corrupted government, Homeland Security or the State Department not to cheat or protect electoral cheaters who have the blessing/orders of TPTB who are generally considered to be, if perhaps painfully, bringing Trump into line/ready to substitute Pence?

How can anyone ever even hope to know how accurate claimed results are if the processes and results are 'a matter of national security' and the idea of ever allowing independent observation and verification of processes and results considered interference with 'national security'?

The problem stems from the various corporate interests and billionaires pulling the strings of purchased public officials/parties, and until the puppet-masters have been contained, what hope can there be of free and fair elections?

Electoral fraud was already the norm in US elections; now that it's rigged so that there can be no surprises and the results whatever an unconstitutional spy agency staffed by political appointees may claim they are, what are the odds of a 3rd party being allowed to win over the billionaire/corporate party picks?

Granted, if Trump can, he might cheat via Homeland Security/State Department to a different effect than would the usual PTB, but I doubt he'd go for a social democratic-type party over, say, himself.

The big picture does need to be considered, because 'here there be dragons' and no electoral or other integrity. They couldn't even let Jill Stein keep enough votes to get anywhere close to funding or into debates, and I'll bet she got way more votes than were claimed.

Edit: certainly not saying not to do party building on a sustainable democratic platform, but I am saying that without free and fair elections, they will not have a chance of being declared winners of the greatest numbers of voters any more than Bernie had during the incredibly multi-rigged Dem Primaries.

And that would be why Bernie is doing whatever he has to do to maintain public awareness, via corporate media reaching non-internet people, of what democracy should be to counter that 'pragmatic' part of the propaganda and to try to take over the Dems with real people from the bottom up; because he can see no other route that likely avoids a great deal of bloodshed.

Also, I'd consider it doubtful that we long retain freedom of speech on the internet or even the internet itself, as it has been. Maybe even wind up with just a limited commercialized version mostly consisting of Facebook and propagandists - harmful and useless, in other words. Apparently, if I recall correctly, Zuckerman is already working on a limited internet version rather similar to this for some impoverished areas currently lacking internet.

Edited to add a couple of commas and to add, in case of any doubt, that there was (obviously) no mention of propagandists being involved in what I read of that limited Facebook internet mentioned above. But they're already all over the net as it is, as you know, and censorship already begins...

#3.1 #3.1 #3.1 #3.1 You're correct that the existing two Corporate Parties won't allow any outside Party from playing in their game.

But if you then claim by this that we have no choice except to pin our hopes on the corrupt and willfully anti-progressive corrupt Democratic Party -- then you are missing the bigger picture here.

In the age of Bernie Sanders' Internet-fueled, grassroots campaign, and Donald Trump's shakeup and new redefinition of the GOP (Trillion dollar domestic infrastructure Plan, No more "regime change" madness, Termination of the corrupt global Trade Deals to benefit local Job sustainability, etc.), ...... we are entering a new World here. This is a world where:

• The Mainstream Media is losing power.
• The old guard Party Establishment of both Parties are loathed by the majority of Americans
• Populism is on the rise, not only in the U.S., but Globally with the Brexit movement.
• New Technology can now be used to wage grassroots campaigns, and do an end run around the filter of the U.S. News Media

So embrace the change. It is just at its infancy.

It is in this new brave World, where 3rd Parties -- if they have a candidate with a strong, truth-telling message, and they are both charismatic and the people believe they're genuine will begin to get political traction ... particularly in contrast to the do nothing, say nothing, hypocritical and corrupt Democratic Party (which inspires no one).

I can tell you this...if there is no new 3rd Party movement, then Trump and the GOP will just dominate all levels of Government for at least 8 solid years, and maybe inescapably .. 16 years. The Democratic Party is now a vacuum. It's a wasteland. There is nothing there to believe in anymore.

So the reality is that we have no choice. There is just one National Party, and one decaying corpse.

Only a 3rd Party can create a new narrative against this landscape that could draw new and large numbers of people.

Bernie and his base could lead that effort, or he can chose to just tilt at the windmills inside a Party that absolutely detests him, and just wants him to sit down and shut up -- and has publicly declared that they will never change. What's the point?

So there is no valid choice left here ... other than to embrace the 3rd Party movements, and get behind them. If Bernie does not want to help with that effort, all he is doing is throwing away the formidable political power that he once had.

Trump is a guy wants to win.
Bernie is just thinking small here ... and he will never win -- if he never even really tries. Take your power and use it!

"The time for thinking small is over"
--President Donald J. Trump