for private corporations and citizens, that's how it works. Sanctions against Venezuela are for the oil and gas companies; sanctions against Iraq during the 90's, same thing. These sanctions against Russia aren't for the DNC, that's just the cover story. They're part of the imperialist plot to demonize Russia and lay the groundwork for further action. All wars are for private interest, regime changes, it's all for the banks, corporations, the rich, all private entities. I'm not sure what this changes.

If China hacks the political arm of the KKK, will the US government place sanctions against China? If Israel hacks the Green Party's server, will we stop giving money and weapons to Israel and sanction Netanyahu?

How the Russian "Election Hacking" Story Was Sold to Americans by Hillary Clinton & the Media - (10:38)

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A new poll shows that 50% of Clinton voters believe that Russia literally tampered with the vote tallies. This conclusion, believed by a large number of voters, is far-removed from the original claim that Russia simply hacked into the emails of the DNC and John Podesta. So how did we get here? Why do Americans believe the election itself was literally hacked? It's pretty simple: Hillary Clinton's team—along with the mainstream media—worked in tandem to sell this disingenuous story to Americans... and they've bought it.

Hacking an email and hacking an election are two completely different things.

If it's one thing I learned during the primaries . . .

And the other thing was . . .

But we have a system of laws and a political structure based on property rights. It seems only natural that the US government lashes out at a country that attacked its private interests.

If the latest news is to be believed, Russian malware infecting a private utilities lap top, I'm not sure we won't see more sabre rattling.

I keep seeing "Ukrainian" pop up with all these "DNC hack" stories. PropOrNot, the anonymous judge of what is and isn't fake news as pronounced by WaPo, has according to NewsBud, used a Ukranian fascist salute in an early posting, strongly suggesting that PropOrNot is an intelligence op with Ukrainian fascist connections. I suspect that a lot of the faux stories about hacking in fact come from a CIA-directed disinformation shop set up in Kiev after the fascist coup there. When MH17 was downed, Ukrainian sources immediately released an alleged tape of Donbas rebel military personnel discussing the downing of the airliner. However, a closer examination showed that it was a forgery, using radio discussions of previous battles, specifically about shooting a Ukranian cargo plane landing in an airport within the battle zone. That strongly suggests that the Ukrainian government knew that MH17 would be shot down and had that tape prepared when the shootdown occurred. We know that Ukrainian fighter planes guided the airliner over the battle zone where Ukrainian forces had several BUK batteries.

In order to sell the story of "Russia" shooting down MH17 the west had to employ Bellingcat to spread a story that Russia somehow snuck a BUK unit across the Ukrainian border, the Russians, or untrained rebels, shot down the airliner with the BUK, and then snuck the BUK back across the border. Bellingcat's theory was disproven, leaving the Ukrainian BUKs (or the accompanying Ukrainian fighter planes) as the main suspects. Bellingcat was also the source of the discredited claim that Assad used sarin gas against his own people (Seymour Hersh had a long, detailed report, published overseas, which debunked that.) The tape of the conversations between the Ukrainian control tower and the airliner at the time of the shootdown were immediately seized and disappeared.

On the Sunday after the shootdown, John Kerry, claimed he had absolute proof of where the missile was launched from and yet the US has never released that information, even when the family of the only American victim on MH17 asked Kerry to release that information. That is, the same lack of proof by the US on that particular incident happens again with the "Russian hack" story.

The long story short, the mainstream media presumes that whatever comes out of the CIA and American intelligence generally is fact, when in reality there is no section of the US government which has more consistently lied to the American public than its intelligence services, especially the CIA. The infiltration of the American media by the CIA was revealed during the congressional investigations of the 70s, and by Carl Bernstein. A reading of Christopher Simpson's THE SCIENCE OF COERCION (a pdf of it is available without charge, here: https://historicalunderbelly.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/0195102924.pdf) shows that the earliest uses of propaganda directed at American citizens occurred at the end of WWII.

Remember, the CIA has demonstrably lied about its involvement in the assassination of the president fifty years ago, and still is hiding documents about that crime. There is no reason to ever take the word of our intelligence services at face value because they've lied to us repeatedly. WMDs? Yellowcake? Aluminum tubes? Lies. We went into Afghanistan to catch bin Laden? Lies. The Reagan-era narratives about our Deep State's interventions in Latin America were lies. In fact, the CIA used the same story of bad guys shooting at peaceful protests in three different places where the US was directing regime change: Ukraine, Syria and Venezuela.

Having paid attention to a lot of the shit being shoveled from Langley over my lifetime, I would suggest that this "Russia hack" story has the very same stench as many of the past stories the CIA has provided our media. Remember when the media repeated the lie that North Vietnam attacked our navy in the Gulf of Tonkin? That's what we were told back then. It was a lie then. It's still a lie. The people responsible for the deaths of millions in Southeast Asia for that lie were never punished. The CIA's work with Operation Condor, which spanned Pinochet's fascist coup in Chile, the generals' coup and disappearances of Argentinians, the Bolivian cocaine coup and any number of fascist regressions in Latin America, were done by our intelligence services without any justice being served here in the US.

Don't be surprised if the incident that triggers even worse US-Russia relations happens in Ukraine. They seem to have their fingers in this anti-Russian propaganda campaign.

I continue returning to BAL's idea: namely that the DNC is being identified as part of the US govt. structure.
So that acts against Dem Party instead of being a case of "sharp business" are cause for war.

This is so fucking wrong. Might it actually involve a point of law?
Hence my cry. I am pretty sure we could find someone to prove the square root of 2 is irrational.
Do we have a lawyer here who can comment on BAL'S "jailhouse brief"(which I take as a demand for the govt. to stop unconstitutional activity.)

"Good law is where you find it." wtf

Just recently posted about Ruiz vs. Estelle.
Monument in law- convict David Ruiz beats TDC in case lasting 30 years.(Ruiz died in TDC prison)
This case came from the "belly of the Beast." But he won.

http://www.workers.org/2005/us/david-ruiz-1201/
https://www.clearinghouse.net/detail.php?id=960

The Putin-Hacking-Outrage people are very much the same people who have spent decades building their self-identity on the idea that Democrats were the smart party and Republicans were the stupid party. The same people who were totally convinced that anyone who failed to vote for Democrats was too stupid to be taken seriously. The same people who loved to talk about toothless hillbillies marrying their feeble-minded cousins.

These self-proclaimed smartest people in the whole world are full of disdain for the stupidity of people who believe in and support sleazy televangelists, but here they are now, believing in and supporting a person thousands of times sleazier than any televangelist, for reasons that are way, way more stupid than those of the televangelist-supporters. The payoff for the televangelist-supporters is the belief that they'll be going to Heaven, which they see as a very good thing. What could the payoff be for the Putin-Hacking-Outrage supporter besides nuclear war with Russia? And what could be stupider than nuclear war with Russia?

I strongly dislike political parties and think the whole concept should be abolished. However, even though the Democratic party is a private institution I still think the hack was an attack on America. The Democrats and Republicans may be private institutions but they run America. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. America has been ruled by a few elites since forever, I think that ship has sailed.

I think "Western" corporate media are more worried about Russian incursion into their information monopoly, than anything else. At the moment, RT is upstaging them at every turn, by providing high-quality, more or less objective analysis of world affairs. Meanwhile CNN, MSNBC, etc. continue to broadcast what is ever more obviously propaganda.

I think the "Western" media giants, including NYT, WaPo, Guardian, and Der Speigel, plus major US tv networks are in a state of near panic, as RT and other sources now provide alternative, and in general better and more accurate journalism than they do.

that, right?