The descent into fascism?
Perhaps people have forgotten, perhaps they were not even taught, democracy is fragile. I am sorry for the long intro with some voluminous links, if you are happy with your understanding of fascism scroll on down to : My Thoughts
Fascism is a difficult term to define simply so I will start with FDR
Message to Congress on Curbing Monopolies. April 29, 1938
Unhappy events abroad have retaught us two simple truths about the liberty of a democratic people.
The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism—ownership of Government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.
The second truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if its business system does not provide employment and produce and distribute goods in such a way as to sustain an acceptable standard of living.
THE GROWING CONCENTRATION OF ECONOMIC POWER.
The Fascist Tradition – John Weiss (1967)
Fascism arises as a result of a dialectical isolation of ideologies: radical leftism on the one pole, radical rightism on the other, each drawing constituency from the interstitial less extreme progressive and conservative masses. The radical right traces its lineage back to the feudal aristocracy, reluctantly forced to accept social reform following the triumph of liberal democracy that sprang from the enlightenment and French Revolution. The classical liberals were by no means the antecedents of the modern progressives and socialists however. Firm establishment of property rights and limited suffrage would found the basis for capitalism and its rapid successes during the 18th and 19th centuries, thus it is the conservative movement that shares the values of classical liberalism. The oppressive conditions capitalism subjected upon the working class spurred the radical socialist movement, and its companion reformist movement. Demands for universal suffrage, tolerable working conditions, wealth distribution, among others, and a growing fear of socialist revolution sparked a counter-reaction among conservatives in both Italy and Germany at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century. Constituents of the conservatives included the industrialists, the aristocracy, as well as middle class shopkeepers, all of whom called upon their representatives to resist reform at any cost. Conservatives in turn resorted to commissioning radical rightist groups (e.g. blackshirts) to terrorize and violently disrupt the leftist movement. The growing necessity for reactionary measure allows for an organized fascist party to gradually gain power via traditional election (Mussolini and, to lesser extent, Hitler both seized power ultimately, though there was little to no resistance from the incumbency). The employment of deceptive, anti-semitic, racist rhetoric, the propagation of hyper-nationalist values, promise of increased welfare for the lower class, all work to turn sentiment in fascist favor. Racism, though not necessarily anti-semitism, and imperialism, are necessary conditions of fascism.
A useful book on the subject A History of Fascism, 1914–1945 Stanley G. Payne centred around Spanish Fascism.
What is fascism? The name originated in Italy. Were all the forms of counter-revolutionary dictatorship fascist or not (That is to say, prior to the advent of fascism in Italy)?
The former dictatorship in Spain of Primo de Rivera, 1923-30, is called a fascist dictatorship by the Comintern. Is this correct or not? We believe that it is incorrect.
The fascist movement in Italy was a spontaneous movement of large masses, with new leaders from the rank and file. It is a plebian movement in origin, directed and financed by big capitalist powers. It issued forth from the petty bourgeoisie, the slum proletariat, and even to a certain extent from the proletarian masses; Mussolini, a former socialist, is a "self-made" man arising from this movement.
Primo de Rivera was an aristocrat. He occupied a high military and bureaucratic post and was chief governor of Catalonia. he accomplished his overthrow with the aid of state and military forces. The dictatorships of Spain and Italy are two totally different forms of dictatorship. It is necessary to distinguish between them. Mussolini had difficulty in reconciling many old military institutions with the fascist militia. This problem did not exist for Primo de Rivera.
The movement in Germany is analogous mostly to the Italian. It is a mass movement, with its leaders employing a great deal of socialist demagogy. This is necessary for the creation of the mass movement.
The genuine basis (for fascism) is the petty bourgeoisie. In italy, it has a very large base -- the petty bourgeoisie of the towns and cities, and the peasantry. In Germany, likewise, there is a large base for fascism....
It may be said, and this is true to a certain extent, that the new middle class, the functionaries of the state, the private administrators, etc., can constitute such a base. But this is a new question that must be analyzed....
In order to be capable of foreseeing anything with regard to fascism, it is necessary to have a definition of that idea. What is fascism? What are its base, its form, and its characteristics? How will its development take place? It is necessary to proceed in a scientific and Marxian manner.
My Thoughts
We live in a world we seem more willing once again to give individuals mythical status and immense powers to negate even the power of the collective elected democratic legislatures. For example Presidential executive orders. We have violent reactions by the press when these "leaders" powers are questioned e.g. the reaction in the British media when the courts repeated the law of the land with respect to parliaments powers. Trumps reactions to the media is another example of this. The Authorisation to use Military Force a perfect example of centralisation of power into the hands of one person. Democracy has not only been denied, it has been given away and congress led the way
With respect to the media the consolidation of our main source of information is tied up in mega corporations and in the hands of a few individuals, you can tell the politics of someone by merely which channels they watch. It is a 24/7 never ending drip of propaganda/disinformation for the most part, approved by its controlling boards/individuals.
In the our corner of the World [N.America and Europe] fear of the other has been ramped out not just with respect to Muslims but any immigrant i.e. fear of the other. When I hear phrases like "the whites will soon be in the minority" I cringe, as if my colour determines my racism or absence thereof. When "white privilege" is thrown in my face if I disagree, the so called left in the "US" has been pretty good at this lately I would argue that any reference to gender, race, religion or even where you live in the country as a defence/attack of a political position is worthless. You can attach any prejudice you like, it's still unjustifiable. It in effect weakens any resistance to demagoguery, in fact in my view it propagates it and allows hatreds to fester. It's a deliberate and malign means of division, its one objective to gain power.
Watch to partisans arguing, its not an argument, it's a spittle producing competition and its is never ending on any program even vaguely political. The politics of confrontation.
Meanwhile the accumulation of wealth and power into fewer and fewer hands goes on with barely a hiccup our only reaction is that we vote based on identity as if somehow we were born with a D or R brand on our asses. Somehow a mere letter after your name defines who you are [sadly with some truth to it] if you dare an "I" then you are not with us but against us and anyway a third party only helps the other side of the "D-R" duopoly. Hell, there are only so many parties the rich can afford after all.
The ease with which this concentration of power and identity politics has resurfaced since the fall from grace of the two great "isms" fascism and communism has been startling. We have gone deep into oligarchy and may well be coming out the other side back into fascism, there is in fact not much difference between them
Fascism: A form of government which is an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing.
Oligarchy: Oligarchy is a type of government controlled by a small group of people.
My opinion of the last election was that it was between Oligarchs v Facists with the oligarchs on the winning side no matter who won.
Going back to FDR
That, in its essence, is Fascism—ownership of Government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.
We have given it them on a silver plate.
Bon appétit.
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It looks like Oswald Spengler, of all people,
is making a comeback!
The Decline of the West.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Downfall [Untergang] - going down?
One could argue we are circling the plughole.
My German is rubbish btw.
Yes. That is right, or decline.
Abendland = the West = where the sun sets in the evening (Abend)
cf. Morgenland = where the sun rises in the morning = the East.
Mind, Spengler used the literary-picturesque forms of West and East for effect.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
Thanks for the concise explaination, that helps
when reading the English translations, they might be better in French after all
Abenland und Morgenlund!
Cool. (my German provides the "und".)
Abendland and Morgenland
Are basically translations of Orient (from latin for rising) and Occident (from latin for falling).
It's a very impressive essay - Thanks.
I would say that the "we" who have acceded to fascism includes the for-profit media; large sections of academia, Zionists who support Likud's slow genocide of Palestinians; parts of the labor movement; the intelligence apparatus; most of the judiciary; monopoly capitalists(as distinct from Main St. shop owners); most inheritors of great wealth; and those in charge of the two major parties. I really don't see most of the people at this site, for instance, as being part of that "we." I don't see American Indians as being part of that "we." I would say that those in the latter groups(and other groups not mentioned) have had our constitutional rights stolen from us.
I think that it's telling the opposition party, at the time, didn't put up much of a fight against so-called presidential signing statements; the bogus unitary executive concept; the president's ability to suspend rights going back to the Magna Carta; presidential murder of American citizens; and the Supreme Court's hollowing out the 4th Amendment and much of the First.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
see below for reply,
But this dispossession of the
But this dispossession of the people was done under the false colour - or perhaps 'false flag' might be a better term - of 'law', working up to the totalitarian and traitorous theft of domestic law and all rights intended under privately made-between-corporate/billionaire-self-interests Trojan Horse 'trade deals' currently underway.
Previous abuses no more create valid legal precedents any more than successful bank robbers getting off scott-free make armed robbery legal - or that child molesters should be able to claim precedent to continue abusing children if able to afford good lawyers.
Those rights are guaranteed and are in your Constitution for a reason (as is the push for a Constitutional redo, giving opportunity to do away with them) - nobody can simply 'legally' do away with them unless the people accept such betrayals 'as a done deal', as with stolen elections.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
"we" tends to mean the majority
To offset/protect from the tyranny of the majority we have to have non discriminatory laws.
"we" is non specific but implies the majority.
PS in our current system the elected government is usually a minority of those eligable to vote, shame there is not a straight "none of the above" option
I was pretty sure you meant the corporate "we" but I wanted to
give my opinion based on another meaning of "we."
It's the old saying: "Those who are not against us are with us" because when given the chance, the majority remained as silent as those "we' elected to represent us and hold to their oath's of office.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
It can mean both corporate and majority we, since one
maintains the other in the current system.
Right you are!
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
As a GenXer watching from the 70s & 80s from Ireland
Descent is wrong tense, long since descended would be much more accurate.
Oligarchy for sure, but since 9-11 its moving into the
populist and apparently acceptable political discourse, as I said the difference is slight but significant, some countries are frther down the road than others.
David Talbot's recent book kinda rocked my assessments
Been going back the last 50 years and reassessing events.
We (EU socialists) have been calling the US fascist since I noticed my first by-election. The Spanish in the 80s were particularly virulent in tagging US properties with such terms.
The fascists today run Wall Street and the Fortune 500. The CIA is bosom buddies with the founders of Facebook, LinkedIn, Workday, SalesForce - the Carlyle group is early funder/customer of them. George Tenent is a personal friend of the CEO/Founders of Workday which run Greylock partners.
David Talbot is clearly
one of the greatest living Americans. His book, The Devil's Chessboard, Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government, is must reading for anyone wanting to know about fascism in this country and throughout the world.
Even so, I wish he had spent more time writing about Dulles' work before WWII as attorney for the industrial clients who built German fascism. Because he focuses on the war and on postwar Europe in the beginning of his book, the impression may be made that Dulles was anti-Soviet. He wasn't anti-Soviet. He was a fascist. In fact, one of the most amazing things about Talbot's book, based in large part on Dulles' own papers, is that post-war Eastern European and Soviet intelligence had their own connections to him!
What becomes increasingly obvious as you read this book is that there is and has been a fascist cell in the United States government since before WWII, and that the legacy of Allen Dulles is part of everything we struggle with now.
Stephen Kinzer's book covers more of the S&C ground
Here's a review.
Talbot made the point on Pacifica earlier this year that the unanimity in response by all media from broadcast, cable, print, radio in roundly ignoring his thesis that JFK was assassinated by the deep state. Just silence. Not ridicule, not dismissal, not shock, not curiosity. Just ignored him. He got one slot on Diane Rehm show.
My GF lived in DC in the late 90s, which meant I basically lived in DC in the late 90s. There was a joke that did the rounds, after every inauguration, when the president gets to the White House. There is a CIA briefing where the video of the JFK assassination is shown from each of the shooters vantage points, then the instructions on how the funding of the MIIC will continue are handed down. Doesn't seem like a joke anymore.
You've got some thoughts!
"It's a deliberate and malign means of division, its one objective to gain power." Deliberate, by some...followed blindly, mindlessly, by others, who will never be in power, and unwittingly give it to another.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
I wish I had fewer
The months that I visited and posted at The Sump, I saw one
comment about Senator Sanders that said Sanders could never be an effective president because of the near absence of African-Americans in Vermont.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
a longer quote that my signature line comes from:
"I see a time of seven generations when all the colors of mankind will gather under the sacred Tree of Life and the whole Earth will become one circle again. In that day there will be those among the Lakota who will carry knowledge and understanding of unity among all living things, and the young white ones will come to those of my people and ask for this wisdom. I salute the light within your eyes where the whole universe dwells. For when you are at that center within you and I am that place within me, we shall be as one."
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Crazy Horse was extremely insightful
A Lakota legend has it, I paraphrase, that the doom of mankind (probably meant as referring to the First Nations) will come when the Black Snake crosses the river. Temporarily the snake is quieted but the Fascist Polizei are only too glad to bash skulls so that the snake may continue to doom more lands.
LaFem: a superb, well-written essay.
Sadly, the snake has not been stopped
construction is ongoing, in the face of calls to stop, even from the Corpse of Engineers.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
My opinion is they both represent fascism
Hillary's economic policies--tax breaks and subsidies as "stimulus" to push a "market based solution" for our domestic ills, is perfectly aligned with the corporatist-integralist approach fascists of yore implemented ("third way", in retrospect, is an interesting omen, given it's similarity to "third position" fascist economics). They complement Trump's nationalist, other-blaming side of the fascism coin.
But yes the oligarchs win either way.
Let us not be too hasty of excluding others who blame
everyone but themselves. One sick chick named Killary blamed everybody for the most stunning loss in modern American politics except Herself.
The thing of it is
that no-one, at least that I know of, has ever stood up and declared themselves a fascist. Particularly those who are running for office. Fascism is sneaky, always portrayed as something else until it is too late -- the damage is done, the monsters rule. Also, I believe the oligarchs/plutocrats are always behind it.
Why does it keep raising its ugly head? Never mind that. What's important is why does it make its way back and when it is obvious. The signs are ignored or at least downplayed to the point where fascism remains insidious? I'm sure everyone visiting this site has heard Drumpf's recent demand. A fealty oath from the military requiring loyalty from every member of the military regardless of rank. A means of purging the military of malcontents. If that is not a clear indicator that Drumpf has more than passing fascist leanings, then I don't know what more one could need. Drumpf being rather a dullard, does not even understand what he is asking. A good example of how fascism is sneaky.
The oath as it exists today reads:
"I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
(So help me god is not mandatory in accordance with the military codex)
Already it exists--- to follow the orders of the President of the United States. Notably, the defense of the Constitution comes first within the oath. So, why does Drumpf want this aside from his obvious narcissism?
These are the things that need to be protested vociferously and in writing with insistence that these markers are not brushed off as throw-a-way lines or a simple matter of misspeaking lest it continue to proliferate.
"a spittle producing competition" heh. beauty. Alway enjoy your writings, Feminista.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Loyalty oaths were a McCarthy-era thing,
and we're hellbent for a Neo-McCarthy era, if we aren't right in the middle of it already.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
The Right just elected Trump
and the Left is obsessed with Russian hackers, trolls and spies. The WaPo just ran an article listing over 200 websites that "work for Putin", and they range across the political spectrum. TOP is literally eating it up.
Sanity is a rare commodity these days, and demagogues like McCarthy thrive in this environment.
Yep, I think we're there.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
That's true
and I had forgotten that.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
It reminds me of "The 14 charateristics of fascism"
14 characteristics of fascism
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism ✔
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights ✔ (waterboarding is not enough)
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause ✔
4. Supremacy of the Military (soon with Flynn behind the scenes)
5. Rampant Sexism ✔ (Trump is a serial molester)
6. Controlled Mass Media (soon, Bannon has a plan)
7. Obsession with National Security ✔
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined ✔ (all the theocrats voted for Trump)
9. Corporate Power is Protected (soon)
10. Labor Power is Suppressed (soon)
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts (soon)
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment ✔ (law and order!)
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption ✔
14. Fraudulent Elections (?)
The political revolution continues
A fairly comprehensive list and both D an R can tick quite
a few of those boxes since they have both actively participated in most of them.
I offer these thoughts to your fine list:
[6] The mass media controls itself in service to the corporate state. Look at the programmatic support for wars of aggression in the Middle East; the downplaying of climate change; ignoring issues important to wage earners; promoting racehorse coverage of elections; following the lead of the White House in treatment of such countries as Venezuela, Cuba(slight easing here) and Russia.
[9] Corporate power is not questioned in the for-profit media and there are frequent calls for its enhancement and further profit gouging.
[10] Labor is only organized 6.6% in the private sector and there's no qualms about this being a good thing in the mass media. The corporate press has long supported government and corporate suppression of the right to organize.
[11] Which public intellectuals are regularly featured in the corporate media? Which are ignored? Obama's first Sec'y of Education was anti-public schools and all for the test-to-fail model of the privatizers like Gates and those who stand to profit from skimming public school funds and returning skimpy results. The administration wants public schools to be trade schools where critical thinking is not taught and the arts are excluded for the most part.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Cart before the horse, Mr. Duck
I believe this should be stated that the corporate state controls the media.
Otherwise, fine comment.
I can, and do, agree with that. My meaning, however poorly
stated, was that the corporate media self-censors to benefit the corporations (corporate state). Your wording has the benefit of clarity - Thanks.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
#11 -- like this?
Slate hasn't exactly been my favorite lately, but Rebecca Schuman's example of disdain for intellectuals in the modern age certainly seems to show us circling the drain. I know this sort of thing has been going on for a while but the questions are, will it increase, and will it lead to anything?
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Mon, 11/28/2016 - 10:36am —
Mon, 11/28/2016 - 10:36am — Shockwave
But this was already long present, even if it wasn't made as blatantly obvious under Dems as Repubs.
All Americans have guaranteed Constitutional rights throughout every State in the Union - why were not even their freaking lives, safety and voting rights protected against abuses?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
The Trend toward Fascism has been undeniable...
Laurence W. Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans,
symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public
displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in
fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend
to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of
prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy
over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals;
communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate
amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist
regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the
state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media
is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship,
especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the
nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders,
even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones
who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and
power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government,
labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher
education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free
expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to
enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of
patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends
from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated
or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are
manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control
voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically
use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
"You must not be afraid to go there." - Harlan Ellison
Um, ya that fits.
Based on that there is no "descent" or "toward" about it. We be there.
I would still hold out for, not quite, a full blown
Oligarchy I'd go with for now.
People in certain
People in certain identifiable-as-vulnerable groups are routinely - and often for no legitimate reason - harassed, beaten, arrested, too-often murdered, even in their own homes, by police typically suffering no consequences beyond time off with pay and an appearance in a special court which somehow never finds any fault, never mind crime, in even the most obvious police murders of the most provably unarmed and inoffensive people, including children and those in the process of running away out of fear of being injured or killed, as they were - as well as being unjustly and quite often provably falsely accused even after death by their police killers.
When such victims were Jewish, Gypsies or whoever among those perceived as being the more vulnerable in Nazi Germany, people later wondered at and blamed the German people for not knowing about/accepting this within their democracy.
When the victims are initially predominately and identifiably Black, 1st Nation or whoever among those perceived as being the more vulnerable in America, it can be seen that, as much as most of American society may detest and, to varying extents, protest this state of affairs, they have come, over time, to think of it as a routine problem, since it has been routinely occurring for so long, and not as a sign of full-blown fascism among many others, including the now-also-routine military/corporate invasion/attack/political manipulation of other people's countries in the interest of a global corporate/military take-over, as was also seen committed by the Nazis around the point where the much of the rest of the industrialized world banded together to fight them and win, so that we currently still survive...
If we do not learn from history, we cannot recognize the signs of it happening to us because, as with the Germans not having the benefit at the time of having seen it happen before, we believe that this cannot be happening within OUR democracies.
And those believing that they'll profit from this had better look up how many 'good Germans' were 'put down' as being no longer useful to the corporate/military State, by the time the Allies came in - and they'd only just begun on that set of undesirables.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
#'s 9 and 10 make the case
that the rise to total power by these unlimited forces of violence is an industrial project undertaken for the purpose of destroying the labor movement:
In other words, it's not that fascist propagandists come along and then military industrialists get behind them. It's that military industrialists create the fascist movement, as they did in Europe in the 1930's. The most important thing Americans need to learn and know is that the military and industrial powers behind Hitler were U.S. banks, energy, chemical, technical, and engineering companies and that without that infrastructure, a state of the art military and terrorist armed force, Hitler would have been a nobody.
Mon, 11/28/2016 - 12:03pm —
Mon, 11/28/2016 - 12:03pm — Linda Wood
You are so painfully right, (as have been so many others throughout this whole thread and brilliant, if depressing, essay) and this is essential information, which even those aware of such facts may not be taking into consideration.
Now, they're doing it again, only in America, and waaaaay too many can't see the fascism for the news-freeze...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
They've been trying to "bring it here" since 1933
and if Smedley Butler hadn't had the courage of his convictions, plus willingness to be made a national laughingstock - who knows?
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Thank you for discussing fascism so thoroughly.
I hope we continue, not just here, but as a country, to focus on this subject, and I am sadly amazed at how quickly the American people have begun to see the problem in our midst now that Trump has been elected.
Two excellent points to ponder
The prime thesis I agree with. Corporations provided Germany with the material goods from which to manufacture military/industrial infrastructure. But that in itself would not have provoked WW2. I am no Hitlerphile, but he was a master politician, charismatic, who built upon the Prussian Wehrmacht and Ernst Rohm's S.A.
Yes future Hitler's can and undoubtedly will arise--but Trump isn't him--yet. Trump is charismatic but his platform, like Hillary's, is all smoke and mirrors. The smoke is beginning to dissipate as he names his right wing inner circle. But Mike Flynn included, does Trump have the support of the Military? Maybe a few at the top but probably not most.
Second consideration here:
Have the American people realized the deep well into which Democracy has tumbled? Will they even realize, until it's too late that they need a lifeline to pull themselves out of it--and the lifeline they don't have?
I agree with you about Hitler,
in the sense that I would like to believe he had a nearly unique combination of capacities for evil and harm. But without U.S. banks and industrial production at his disposal, he would have harmed no one. In the midst of a world-wide economic depression, Germany re-armed to the point of threatening the western world, and that was made possible by U.S. banks. Their purpose, in my opinion, was to replace the Soviet system with fascism, which is to say, to replace the Soviet labor dictatorship with slavery.
Exactly, the Soviets were the target originally
yet things changed. The US eventually continued what Hitler started during the Cold War.
As big a buffoon as Trump may be, and as much as he may resemble overt Fascism, I sincerely believe that we dodged a bullet when Her lost. I think Trump will be mostly bluster, incompetence and corruption, whereas Her would have been all about war.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Correct, to dervish
TPTB back then on both sides of the pond had many Hitler supporters, it was basically Churchill all by his lonesome that stopped Hitler. Unfortunately at the wars conclusion the CIA imported many Nazi's especially for use in MIC.
And I also agree with your point on the election result, I hope we are correct on that.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
I can't help but keep
I can't help but keep thinking that TPTB/Cheney had his Bush and TPTB/Pence have Trump, who's likely disposable to them.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
The US Right seems to be
moving toward an embrace of fascism, while the mainstream US public seems more apathetic than anything else. There is no organized Left to be found anywhere in the US political landscape, though vestiges of it still survive (barely) within the noxious embrace of neoliberalism. What little is left of an American Left, has been claimed either by proponents of identity politics, or by single-issue interest groups of one sort or another, all of them competing for increasingly limited funding, and most of them dependent to some extent on foundations that are themselves offshoots of neoliberal enterprise.
What's lacking is a central leitmotiv or principle, around which a new and unified national consensus might be organized. Say what you will about Bernie Sanders' eventual capitulation, I think the original "movement" he inspired could serve as a prototype for such a consensus.
native
The Consensus is here
We are just assiduously prevented from acting upon it. We are skillfully walled off from each other and our consensus.
Shiny objects abound and rule the day.
The black ops propaganda techniques employed against us are the "Lights of Perverted Science" that Churchill had warned of.
We are sinking into the Abyss of "New Dark Age" that is certainly poised to become more sinister and perhaps endlessly protracted.
Call it fascism if you will. I think a better descriptor would be Dystopianism.
Fascism only works if the governed conform to the rules.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
well, it's generally run as
'conform or die'...
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Fascism is here already
"Make America Great" "Stronger Together"
military/oligarchs/government/media/politicians are in control
when was the last time they passed a bill that was beneficial for
the people. 1-14 "Mission Accomplished"
"Tomorrow Belongs to Me"
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29Mg6Gfh9Co]
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Wes Craven eat your heart out
That scene scares me more than all the Elm Street Nightmares put together.
Now interviewing signature candidates. Apply within.
Got that right
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
I have nothing to contribute but wanted to add my thanks
to other notes of appreciation for bringing up this topic in the way you did. It allows for a measured discussion in lieu of the hysteria I'm reading elsewhere, and hearing from acquaintances who cite Trump, Le Pen's rise, a resurgent right in German, Greece, and Italy.
The very word "fascism" seems to short-circuit analytical thinking and envelop people in a pall of dread, dithering, and paralysis. "Oligarchy," on the other hand, doesn't. Maybe because it lacks the historical context in living memory?
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." --Jiddu Krishnamurti
Maybe we should use
Fascist Oligarchy, sure as hell is true. Without the support of the oligarchs the fascist can't succeed.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
I take small comfort
from the fact that the most-looked-up word on the Merriam-Webster Dictionary's Unabridged site is currently "fascism." Although looking up a word doesn't change anything directly, it's better than people not caring what it means. I guess.
Thanks, LaFem, for this essay
There is no justice in America, but it is the fight for justice that sustains you.
--Amiri Baraka
"Any other controlling power": Goldman Sachs
according to the French documentary I just watched. Goldman Sachs: The Bank That Runs the World.
"What's good for
General MotorsGoldman Sachs is good for the USA."To thine own self be true.
Applauds loudly, and wishes
Applauds loudly, and wishes you weren't so damn right.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Even the NYT is worried about this
See this morning's How Stable Are Democracies?.
My reaction on reading this was that this is what always happens to societies where the creditor class controls the state. Which is to say pretty much every society since the dawn of agriculture. The problem he describes has nothing to do with democracy, and everything to do with concentration of wealth. If democracy can't protect you from the predation of the creditor class, then what use is it?
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Heh, don't forget Mussolini -
Mussolini's "corporates" were broader and more inclusive than our corporations, but the definitin fits just as well using the modern entities. What is missing is that Mussolini's corporates actually included and gave a voice to labor, which is missing from the modern corporate-state marriage.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --