I personally value that elections be clean and fair. I don't find arguing against auditing the election results to be an intelligent position at all. Do we share a value of free and fair elections here, or don't we? Because if we do, there should be no argument against calls to audit any electoral process, and if you do argue against election auditing, then you can't legitimately claim to value clean and fair elections.

I voted for Jill Stein. Didn't like either establishment candidates for the same reasons as often stated on this website. I'm glad I voted for her. I liked her VP pick too. I support the recount if Jill feels its important.

Lusignan is making a damn good case in this video.

My first reaction to this recount business was immediately negative. When dealing with the Clintons, considering that they're up to no good is always your best bet, especially if you are having to make a quick decision. I don't want to make a quick decision in regard to this recount story. It's going to look more clear, and I'll have a chance to listen to more arguments after serving up some Thanksgiving turkey to the family.

Let's be fair here. A high percentage of this blogs regulars are ex-Democrat Trump voters and admit they aren't progressive.

If we really want to confront the election fraud that has been going on, we are going to have to strap on some big boots to wade through the pile of shit this election has left behind. And if this is the start of it all unravelling and finally implode on itself, then something "good" will have finally come out of this treasonable election. Who knows at what level this went? Senate races? Congressional seats? Nauseating.

It is a very compelling analysis of the statistical irregularities during the primary vote. Nearly all of the irregularities favored Hillary Clinton. There was one major irregularity on the Republican side that favored Cruz over Trump. But the irregularities on the Democratic side deny statistical laws. Thanks for linking it.

Not that there haven't been and still are conspiracies. With the Clinton Crime Family that is not a subject worth discussing. They are so corrupt I'm amazed that seagulls and ravens don't follow them around.

But it is also quite possible that Jill Stein has shrewdly tapped into a large donation source from all the Hillbots. They can't believe that SHE got beaten by Donniebabe. So before we decide Jill Stein has gone over to the dark side, I think it wise to consider who might be contributing. Aside from sincere people who want to fix our elections, I think quite a bit of money is flowing to Jill from the Hillbots and some laundered Clinton money. It may just turn out to give us the wherewithal and impetus to clean up our foul election system. More or less like growing flowers on manure piles. Wait and see. Don't rush to judgement.

I wish I had something soothing to say, but the best I can do is quote the character of Morpheus from "The Matrix":

"Welcome to the real world."

Computerized voting fraud has been going on pretty much as long as we have voted on computers. TPTB and the MSM have been very good about hiding the truth from us. They have maintained the illusion of democratic elections, while developing finer and finer control over the election system, and always with some sort of misdirection to keep us from noticing what the computerized vote-counting was doing. "Hanging chads" was only the beginning; a manufactured problem meant to distract, and simultaneously discredit paper ballots. They ordered the ballots that year in Florida printed on the wrong paper, and ignored the paper workers who told them the ballots wouldn't work as well. A House subcommittee heard testimony by a programmer that the then-AG of Florida, later US Senator, had approached him about writing vote-flipping software. Not covered by the MSM, never pursued by either party.

A few early whistle-blowers ended up mysteriously dead, also not covered by the MSM. It has taken this long to even start overcoming the inertia of the nation, the wishful thinking, and the non-stop but subtle propaganda. ALL of the major networks started using the phrase "election fraud conspiracy theory" pretty much on the SAME DAY. I am glad that this issue is FINALLY getting some of the attention it warrants, however -

We have to be very wary of who is framing this current issue. They want to frame it as a choice. "Either you prove election fraud and get Clintons, or you fail, and get Trump." No. In fact, NO NO NO NO NO! If the election was hacked in the General, it was certainly hacked in the Primary, and so we need a do-over. Seriously.

And the other part of the framing that is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG is that WE somehow need to prove that the election system doesn't work, even while being denied access to the machines and software in question. This is bullshit. The affirmative case of this argument is: "These machines are safe and secure to vote on.", and that statement has to be proven. The burden of proof is on the people that want us to vote on computers, and they have never had to make that case. Never. Appeal to Authority and Ad-hominem attacks are all they have. The case AGAINST them has already been proven by various well-respected researchers, over and over.

We all need to start being from Missouri on this. If TPTB want us to vote on their computerized systems, claiming that they are totally tamper-proof, they need to show us. But they don't. Because they CAN'T.

Paper ballots and hand counts are what we need to go back to. Works for Canada. They get national elections counted and done in 4 days. How long has it been with us? -And still waiting on some results? Some things do not require and should not have computers in them. Like a hammer. Or a spoon. Or an election.

Sorry about the rude awakening. I remember what it was like, figuring this out back in '04. It was like losing another chunk of religion for me. But we have to get this done. Sooner rather than later. Then we can sleep better than we have been.

If people like Jill Stein and Ajamu Baraka are part of the same big con on us, I'm going to go find a nice cave in Greenland to hide in until the end comes. But they're on our side. This isn't about Hillary. This is about pulling the curtain back on the whole rotting, vermin infested system. I don't think the Clintons want a recount. I've been seeing a lot of dismissive articles on the Washington Post and other Clinton PR firms.

Than my monthly income I would be there. Maybe I should do like Jill and have someone else pay.

I sent you an email reply about your lost essay.

When trying to ensure the integrity of the vote is considered an "outrage" we are in real trouble. Sad and terrifying attitude.

From their website:

In 2004, the Cobb/LaMarche campaign demanded a recount in Ohio. Because of their efforts, an election administrator went to jail. We also exposed the profound problems with DRE machines, which helped launch an election integrity movement. That provoked California to engage in a "top to bottom" review of their voting system, which culminated in the abolition of DRE machines.

The Green Party Platform calls for "publicly-owned, open source voting equipment and deploy it across the nation to ensure high national standards, performance, transparency and accountability; use verifiable paper ballots; and institute mandatory automatic random precinct recounts to ensure a high level of accuracy in election results."

Election integrity experts have independently identified Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin as states where "statistical anomalies" raised concerns. Our effort to recount votes in those states is not intended to help Hillary Clinton.

These recounts are part of an election integrity movement to attempt to shine a light on just how untrustworthy the U.S. election system is.

All money raised goes toward recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. We hope to do recounts in all three states. If we only raise sufficient money for two, we will demand recounts in two states. If we only raise enough money for one, we will demand a recount in one state.

We cannot guarantee a recount will happen in any of these states we are targeting. We can only pledge we will demand recounts in those states.

If we raise more than what's needed, the surplus will also go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform.