Open Thread - December 9, 2015 - Apology Edition

For today's Open Thread, I thought I would republish an updated version of something I wrote in a personal blog over eleven years ago It seems more important than ever in today's dog eat dog world. And that is the art of an apology. I had been thinking about this ever since the United States bombed the MSF (Doctors Without Borders) hospital in Afghanistan and the unapology that the Obama offered as a result after first making weak excuses for the bombing. My diary today is about personal apologies, but it certainly can and should apply to our own government in all of its criminal wrong doings world wide.

The lack of an apology broke apart Everly Brothers. It was one of the longest lasting and best known public feuds. Their rift began publicly when Don showed up drunk to a concert in 1973 and botched the words to one of their best known songs. But the bad blood between the brothers went back even further, lasting decades, and only ended with the death of Phil Everly in 2014.

Seriously, how hard is it to own up to making a mistake? Apparently, very hard for some people.
To some people, an apology is a sign of weakness. To some people, appearing vulnerable would be more painful than putting a hot iron on their faces. To some people, being right is worth fighting for until they finally reach the grave for good.

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In our fractious world, we are forever seeing a well known figure issuing a blanket public apology for a personal misdeed. Often, the apology is accompanied by a statement intended to mitigate the issuer's responsibility. Unfortunately, this is increasingly the case even on the personal level. No one really seems to want to accept responsibility for his or her own actions anymore.

At the time that I originally wrote this entry on my personal blog, it was in response to an incident that occurred at an on line message board. I was fairly new to the world of on line websites and was rather shocked at what happened to me. A poster on a message board made vicious personal attack on me and another poster. She got caught and called out for it by others at the site. Shortly thereafter, this person chose that same public forum to issue a generic apology to both us. But the damage had already been done. The public airing of the apology struck me as hollow and insincere, especially when that same forum had a personal message system that would have allowed her to apologize to each of us directly first. That experience got me to thinking about what constitutes an honest apology.

Of course, the degree of the transgression usually dictates the degree of the apology. For example, if one accidentally steps on another person's toe or bumps into an individual in public, a simple "I'm sorry" usually suffices. If the transgression is more severe such as spilling a cup of coffee or a glass of wine on another person, the verbal apology should be accompanied by a follow up action to rectify the resulting damage.

So what should happen when someone purposefully says hurtful things to or about another? Is saying "I'm sorry" enough? Or is it only one of many actions needed for a sincere apology? Those were the questions I asked myself in writing this.

Saying "I'm sorry" is just one step in an apology, but it is not the first step in an honest apology. Accepting full responsibility within one's own mind for the transgression is imperative as the first step towards a sincere apology. This is often the hardest step. That means confessing to yourself that you were wrong without justifying your actions to yourself.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etD0Y_8vyxg]

Below is a personal story to demonstrate that. The apology actually occurred nearly two years after I wrote the original blog on apology, but it was a case of an apology done right and one that mended a very broken relationship.

When I was a senior in high school, a boy whom I had been dating asked me to go to the prom with him. Then one week before the prom, he got cold feet and broke the date, saying he did not want to go. I was hurt, humiliated, and angry. And we literally never spoke again after that until...fast forward forty years. And at our 40th reunion, he approached me and asked if we could talk. He then made a very honest and heartfelt apology for hurting me and said he had felt guilty about it for all those years since. He did not ask forgiveness. I accepted his apology, but I was not ready to give him forgiveness at that moment. I had to process it all first.

This article from Oprah's website is excellent in how an effective apology is constructed. I have blockquoted the part on forgiveness, because this is very important point that many who are apologizing do not understand.

An effective apology is, as Lazare puts it, "an act of honesty, an act of humility, an act of commitment, an act of generosity, and an act of courage." But there's no guarantee that the other person involved will share your warm fuzzies. The final gallant act of apology is to release your former victim from any expectation of forgiveness. No matter how noble you have been, he will forgive—or refuse to forgive—on his own terms. That is his right.

Even though the apology to me was delayed by decades, the recipient of it (me) still appreciated getting it. It took me a while to actually process it before I could say that I forgave him. And I did forgive him later. But here is an important point that I can make based upon my own experience of getting a long delayed apology. When an apology is honest and heartfelt, then it is never too late to offer one.

So like my former boyfriend, a person must take that first step and admit to him or herself (without excuses or justification) that he or she was wrong. Only then, can someone begin on the road to an honest apology. In order to be truly sincere, the verbal or written apology should be made directly to the injured party, and must be devoid of trying to mitigate or justify one's transgression. Without this step, a public apology appears to be just a empty show or a washing of one's hands.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuFScoO4tb0]

As part of the apology, some people think that forgiveness may be requested, but I personally believe that it shifts the burden back upon the injured party and therefore should not be a part of the apology. Sometimes, the injured party may not be ready to completely accept the apology right away and that is okay. My own first reaction was not completely on board. It took me a while to overcome my own defensiveness before I could bring myself to forgive my former boyfriend. For some people, it might take longer. Regardless of the reaction of the recipient to the apology, a sincere apology may require additional actions that demonstrate the sincerity of it and ensure that the same transgression is not repeated in the future.

Psychology Today had a very good article on the art of an apology. This excerpt stood out for me.

An apology should be a completely one-sided communication, an acknowledgement of guilt and regret on your side, asking nothing in return. You don't have to grovel. Just give your apology and accept that it may take time to repair the damage. If we've done or said something especially hurtful, we may have seriously scarred the relationship. I recall one friendship that I permanently damaged by telling the truth in a deliberately hurtful way (although I didn't recognize it at the time) and then offering an apology that included the word "if."

Tolerating real, possibly lasting guilt and regret are part of tendering a true apology.

The entire idea of an apology is for the offender to embrace his or her transgression, let the injured party know that they are truly sorry for the transgression, and avoid putting any additional burden upon the injured party.

It is a hard lesson to learn, not just about making an apology, but also about accepting one.

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hecate's picture

is a good piece.

The wingers believe Obama apologizes too much. They are forever slagging him for embarking on "apology tours."

George I famously said he would "never apologize for the United States of America—ever—I don't care what the facts are."

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Here's a primer on how to apologize to your cat.

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I really appreciate your compliment. Smile

Um regarding cats...There is a slight problem with the article you linked. No one "owns" a cat. The cat owns you. The old saying is that dogs have masters and cats have staff. Wink

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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completely, about the cats and the "owning." ; )

Your Everly reference reminds me that it seems like a lot of musicians wound each other in ways that never heal. Maybe not any more than other types of people; it's just that their spats go public. Locally a couple players who had been best friends for years made the mistake of going into the bar business together. That caused a huge rift. One of them died several years ago and the other is haunted that he never made up with him. And now he never can. I've been trying for years to get a couple lawyers who were once best friends—then went into pracrice together—to settle up, before they too start climbing into the coffins. But so far it's not working. Probably there's still time. Both of them I think are just too ornery to die anytime soon.

Evangelist Jimmy Swaggert, the first time it became public knowledge that he likes to cavort with prostitutes, went on the TV and tearfully apologized to everybody. The second time, a couple years later, he said: "The Lord told me it's flat none of your business."

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the political theorist, one of the most important in 20 th century
says in The Human Condition 1958

bottom of pg 214 and onto the next few pages

'The discovery of the role of forgiveness in the realm of human affairs is Jesus of Nazareth.'

there is more, but I have to run. Maybe someone else can fill in some more. Look up Jesus in the index

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is kind of drab. But yesterday he put up lights along his doorframe and now in the night it looks bright and cheery and festive.

And I was thinking: why can't we have all these holidays all year round? People should always give each other gifts and have trees in their houses and string pretty lights indoors and out. You should aways be able to put on a silly costume and then go knock on the doors of strangers and ask them for candy. People should always give each other flowers and chocolates and tell 'em they love 'em. Always there should be colored eggs hidden round the house and the yard for children to find. It should aways be acceptable to give thanks and eat mass quantities of turkey and lie on the couch and bloat. And, in keeping with gulfgal's story, and the Jewish tradition, people should always apologize without reservation and without the expectation of forgiveness.

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Sounds like you've never lived in New
Orleans where trees, houses, and even
small businesses are frequently
decorated year-round with Christmas-y
lights.

And, of course, there are almost daily
celebrations of "holidays" both
historical and made up on the spot, and
then there are the second lines where
the more who join in the merrier.

It's a different way of living from
anywhere else I've ever lived - and
fun. What I especially liked about it was
that, while joining in was encouraged
by revelers, taking a (sometimes long)
respite from festivities was also
understood and respected.

Like Hemingway's Paris, New Orleans
is a moveable feast.

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Never been there. ; (

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the antics of The Hairball, New York is becoming a "no-go zone" for Sane people from other lands:

Mr. Trump’s statement about Paris has no basis in fact: There are no districts there or outside Paris where the police have said they are unwilling to go. The mayor of London, Boris Johnson, meanwhile, said that Mr. Trump’s claim about his city was “complete and utter nonsense.” Saying crime was falling in London and New York, he added: “The only reason I wouldn’t go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump.”

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This could be a big problem

But on Tuesday, the IMF joined the New Cold War. It has been lending money to Ukraine despite the Fund’s rules blocking it from lending to countries with no visible chance of paying (the “No More Argentinas” rule from 2001). With IMF head Christine Lagarde made the last IMF loan to Ukraine in the spring, she expressed the hope that there would be peace. But President Porochenko immediately announced that he would use the proceeds to step up his nation’s civil war with the Russian-speaking population in the East – the Donbass.
That is the region where most IMF exports have been made – mainly to Russia. This market is now lost for the foreseeable future. It may be a long break, because the country is run by the U.S.-backed junta put in place after the right-wing coup of winter 2014. Ukraine has refused to pay not only private-sector bondholders, but the Russian Government as well.

This should have blocked Ukraine from receiving further IMF aid. Refusal to pay for Ukrainian military belligerence in its New Cold War against Russia would have been a major step forcing peace, and also forcing a clean-up of the country’s endemic corruption.

Instead, the IMF is backing Ukrainian policy, its kleptocracy and its Right Sector leading the attacks that recently cut off Crimea’s electricity. The only condition on which the IMF insists is continued austerity. Ukraine’s currency, the hryvnia, has fallen by a third this years, pensions have been slashed (largely as a result of being inflated away), while corruption continues unabated...
For over half a year there was a semi-public discussion with U.S. Treasury advisors and Cold Warriors about how to stiff Russia on the $3 billion owed by Ukraine to Russia’s Sovereign Wealth Fund. There was some talk of declaring this an “odious debt,” but it was decided that this ploy might backfire against U.S. supported dictatorships.

In the end, the IMF simply lent Ukraine the money.

By doing so, it announced its new policy: “We only enforce debts owed in US dollars to US allies.” This means that what was simmering as a Cold War against Russia has now turned into a full-blown division of the world into the Dollar Bloc (with its satellite Euro and other pro-U.S. currencies) and the BRICS or other countries not in the U.S. financial and military orbit.

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important than many realize it is. Great OT. Thank you.

I had my run-ins and inner musings about apologies, not only personal ones, from one person to the next, but also about the public apologies from one country to the world over amorality in past political actions like genocide, unjustified wars etc. You know, something many Germans may have struggled with, at least in the past and in my generation.

Because, after all, an apology doesn't bring the dead back to life and the responsibility can't be mitigated, the blame not put on others most of the time, so how can those apologies be important or serious or meaningful, if they are given many years after the murder and destruction happened, years after the enslavement or exploitation of ethnic groups still cause and incite the inequality and injustice today.

Doesn't it seem to be impossible to apologize for something like that and isn't it even more like an offending effort leaning towards the ridiculous, if you, several generations after your ancestors had committed these crimes, ask for forgiveness? How can you ask for forgiveness for something you personally, or even as a citizen of a country, haven't done, as it happened decades and centuries ago?

You can do that, but what does it really do to help? The most it can do is for those who are the descendants of the victims to know that, ok, yeah, I understand that YOU today know that what your ancestors did, was dead wrong. Checked. Accepted (may be with eyes rolling upwards). End of story. Better so say something than nothing. An attempt to make a gesture. Fine. No problem, but also, you know, not really meaning much. Right?

That is something that has followed me around for a long time in life. Mostly I found apologies by politicians either fake, ineffective or a method to mitigate responsibilities.
Rarely an apology touched me as coming "from the heart" or "sincere". I remember the only apology I found somehow convincing, when I was still young and in Germany, was one without words. It was this one: Warschauer Kniefall.

All I remember, I was 22 years old at that time, is that his apology's "body language" was accepted almost world-wide. I remember having been amazed for him to be able to convincingly apologize. Though Brandt was as much loved by one side of the German population, as he was hated by the other (division went clearly according to ideology, the CDU/CSU who couldn't stand him, the Socialists and Social Democrats and much of the civilian population especially in Berlin, loved him), I never understood those, who tried to put him down.

As much as that apology convinced me, the other one, I remember, one which Sen. Jim Inhofe gave in a speech he had given on a trip to Africa (I remember that vividly, though have never found the video again), in which he apologized for slavery, didn't convince me at all. Contrary, I found it hypocritical and an almost insulting offence on honesty. But apparently that's just my own sensitivities on that subject.

I was also a bit overwhelmed once in the past, when I read an apology diary of OPOL, he had written to the black community on dailykos and its readers:
To my brothers and sisters of color, which he wrote as a consequence for the reactions his diary he wrote a couple of days before:
You don't have the standing to invent a 'race problem' for Bernie

I believe that the current version of this apology diary is not anymore the original one I read back when it was first published. I remember a much longer and way more humble, if not submissive apology diary. I remember that I had the feeling that it was over the top and that he shouldn't have needed to formulate his apology in the manner he did. I really like OPOL's spirit and way to express himself artistically and verbally. I wouldn't want to miss his voice over there at all. The version of the diary you can read now is not anymore what I had read, much shorter and in its content and expression rising up to the objective goal of apologizing proportionally to what he considered necessary to apologize for. But then I also questioned myself, because I am not a "Child of the US and the South" and what do I really know about the necessities to apologize to the Afro-American community in this country. Nothing. So, you see, I kind of struggle with the whole thingy.

I ran also into an incident I insulted some kossacks, one in particular, with an expression I wouldn't have expected to be taken literally or as a severe insult and certainly not personally by someone, who I didn't know could rightfully have felt to be a target.

I apologized several times, but it was not accepted.

It was then that I became aware of the importance to ask for forgiveness. I don't think I said that literally, I don't remember. But I think in relation to that part of apologizing, the step to ask for forgiveness for something you said or did, you must be convinced that what you did was intentionally malicious and very damaging. Often you can be insulting or hurtful unintentionally and then I wonder, while it is very appropriate to apologize for what you recognize was insulting, if it is possible to ask for forgiveness in addition for something that was not malicious in its intent.

Oh, lord, now I apologize for all my "over the top" comments, which often are rude and insulting. Should I ask for forgiveness? For speaking my mind? My way?

It's kinda tough to do and sometimes it feels to me as if one would have to deny one's own convictions. That also can feel like being untrue to yourself or being too easily pressured and muzzled.

Ah, so many problems, so few solutions....

Have all a wonderful rest of the day. I try not to insult anyone today. Promised. Smile

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No amount of apology can undo the physical harm and deaths wrought by our foreign policy forays or the continuing racism in the United States. The only thing that can even begin to mitigate our past and our vast killing of innocent people and the devastation we have laid in their countries is to STOP doing it and then make reparations.

From my personal perspective, if someone apologizes to me, I do not want them asking for forgiveness. That decision to forgive is mine alone to determine. That is one reason my ex-boyfriend's apology worked so well for me. He did not ask for forgiveness. He gave me the time and space to come to that decision on my own. It was a gift.

I really enjoy and value your comments here.

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and how hard it is to help others along that path. I consider it a gift from the high up, when it happens.
Thanks for your kindness. I enjoy and like your diaries very much as well.

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distinguish, even in your own transgressions, between an apology and a rationalization of behavior and thought which is not forgivable. We watched last week the movie Philomena. One of the themes it explored was forgiving. Philomena forgave the unforgivable evil that she suffered under the institution of the Irish Catholic church. Martin Sexsmith who was the other character in the movie could not forgive what the nuns had done to her and her son, in the name of Christ. When social institutions like religions or the state commit horrifying crimes against humanity and then 'apologize' in a non apology that is just a justification of their inhumanity or a 'mistake' they are apologist's and do not seek forgiveness but instead they are rationalizing , normalizing the evils committed.

When Obama is going to implement unspeakable nastiness he always says 'I do not make this decision lightly.' A preemptive apology? Hard to forgive an institution that claims divine or political power and cloaks it's evils as 'inevitable', necessary and righteous. I don't care about apologies offered by the official's of societal institutions that claim to be doing 'god's work'. It's an ugly spectacle to see the tears flow from the likes of Boner or some nasty clerical who leads a flock of believers. Some transgressions do not merit forgiveness which is then turned into acceptance. I can feel compassion for say George Bush as he's damaged but I cannot accept an apology as it seems to mean that the transgression was separate from the larger evil being implemented by those who abuse their power.

Accepting a sincere apology requires forgiveness and compassion within your self as well as the transgressor. As my granddaughter used to say 'We're all only human'. Sorry to wax on here but this is complicated sticky subject.....Fault and blame are also emotional factors that get involved in the human interaction of forgiving and apologizing.

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to watch Philomena.
I am always happy to be lead to things I wouldn't have discovered on my own. Smile

Accepting a sincere apology requires forgiveness and compassion within your self as well as the transgressor.

so true and it's seldom happening. So, I gather, one just prays for it then. May be we get lucky and are forgiving and forgiven.

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Philomena was a wonderful movie!

For me, it is far more difficult to accept institutional apology. Institutions do not have feelings. I categorize most politicians and corporate leaders in the same class as institutions, that is of unfeeling mercenaries.

I found this observation of yours to be very profound because it was something I experienced in the personal example I gave.

Accepting a sincere apology requires forgiveness and compassion within your self as well as the transgressor.

I had to break down all the self protective barriers I had put around myself to accept his apology. I have had people do much worse things to me than break a date to the prom, but his apology taught me so much. It was something I never expected and as a result, i think I grew as a person as I processed it in my mind. I did not immediately forgive him, but when I did, it was in the same vein that the apology was given, honest and heartfelt. Being able to honestly forgive someone is a gift to oneself.

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Made me laugh, thx!

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to all the excellent comments, except that through both our personal and professional experiences, Mr M and I have learned that the inability to forgive usually does far more damage to the individual who's offended, than to the transgressor. So, for us, it's pretty much a no-brainer to 'do our best to' find forgiveness for those whom we deem have done us wrong--whether they ask for our forgiveness, or not. We've found that the cost (in anxiety) of carrying around hatred or grudges for others, is a very steep price to pay, mentally and emotionally.

Wink

So, thanks for the OT, Nancy.

Got some news on the just passed corporatist Education Bill (the names eludes me right now)--which Arne Duncan said absolutely 'thrilled' him--but, I'll follow up on that topic at EB, so as to not ruin this very heartening and thoughtful essay.

Have a nice evening, Everyone!

Bye

Mollie


"Every time I lose a dog, he takes a piece of my heart. Every new dog gifts me with a piece of his. Someday, my heart will be total dog, and maybe then I will be just as generous, loving, and forgiving."--Author Unknown
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left the planet yesterday. Much of him left some years ago, when his wife and his children died in a fire. But he stuck around. Became a poet. Said some wise things. Like this:

When I go around America and I see the bulk of the white people, they do not feel oppressed. They feel powerless. When I go amongst my own people, we do not feel powerless. We feel oppressed. We do not want to make the trade.

That's from remarks he made in the Black Hills in July 1980. Russell Means was there then, too. And Means said this.

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has grown a beard.
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That is why Ryan spoke so strongly against The Hairball's plan to prevent any Mooslem from coming into his country. Because Ryan is now a secret Mooslem himself.

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Too funny. Lol

Because Ryan is now a secret Mooslem himself.

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“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

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who suddenly start sprouting beards thereby signal they are fundamentalist-Moosleming? That's what I read in a News about the y-chrome in the Non-Ordinary Newylweds. When he started bearding, that was a Sign the bullets were about to fly.

Now there is a News that says both the Non-Ordinary Newylweds were wanting to stab and shoot before they ever met. It is like a love story. Jihad brought them together. They could be in a movie. A sort of combination of a chick-flick, and Psycho.

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the metal-roof man has been hit with 179 felonies. This is what is known as "overcharging."

He announced in court today that it is already over: "I'm guilty! There's no trial! I'm a warrior for the babies!"

As Judge Gilbert A. Martinez discussed a pretrial publicity order, Mr. Dear shouted: "Could you add the babies that were supposed to be aborted that day? Could you add that to the list?"

He is mentally divergent, but he does not want any Medicine.

"I'm not going to agree to mental health evaluations so they can't put me on psychotropic drugs so I can't talk like the Batman guy."

He is the sort of United States person who wants to own a gun. And so goes out and buys one. Because permitting a person like this to purchase and own a gun is what makes the country Free.

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