History and Identity Politics

American's ignorance of basic historical facts is well documented.
In fact, the results from some polls is downright alarming.

5. When asked on what year 9/11 took place, 30% of Americans were unable to answer the question correctly, even as few as five years after the attack. This was according to a Washington Post poll conducted in 2006. . [source]

7. When looking at a map of the world, young Americans had a difficult time correctly identifying Iraq (1 in 7) and Afghanistan (17%). This isn’t that surprising, but only a slim majority (51%) knew where New York was. According to Forbes and National Geographic, an alarming 29% couldn’t point to the Pacific Ocean. [source]

8. 25% of Americans were unable to identify the country from which America gained its independence. Although 19% stated that they were unsure, Gallup findings indicated that others stated answers varying from France to China. Older folks scored much better than young people on this question, as a third of those 18-29 were unable to come up with the correct answer. [source]

14. 2006 AP polls showed that a majority of Americans were unable to name more than one of the protections guaranteed in the first Amendment of the Constitution — which include speech, assembly, religion, press and “redress of grievance.” Just 1 in 1000 could name all of these five freedoms. However, 22% were able to come up with the name of every member of the Simpson family. [source]

American's ignorance of history and the world is an embarrassment.
The ignorance isn't limited to just the uneducated.

“A 2012 ACTA survey found that less than 20 [percent] of American college graduates could accurately identify the effect of the Emancipation Proclamation, less than half could identify George Washington as the American general at Yorktown ((Virginia)), and only 42 [percent] knew that the Battle of the Bulge occurred during World War II.”

Just as enlightening is the energy put into hating and fearing one of the major parties, but the lack of ability to articulate why.

The optimists point to surveys indicating that about half the country can describe some differences between the Republican and Democratic Parties. But if they do not know the difference between liberals and conservatives, as surveys indicate, how can they possibly say in any meaningful way how the parties differ?

There are all sorts of consequences from these incurious tendencies. Many are summed up with the famous quote:

Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
- George Santayana

For the sake of this essay I'm going to stick to how this societal ignorance of history relates to modern identity politics, the current dominate political meme of Democrats.

I want to start by defining the term.
Here's a good definition of identity politics.

The laden phrase “identity politics” has come to signify a wide range of political activity and theorizing founded in the shared experiences of injustice of members of certain social groups. Rather than organizing solely around belief systems, programmatic manifestos, or party affiliation, identity political formations typically aim to secure the political freedom of a specific constituency marginalized within its larger context. Members of that constituency assert or reclaim ways of understanding their distinctiveness that challenge dominant oppressive characterizations, with the goal of greater self-determination.

The key phrase here is "the shared experiences of injustice of members of certain social groups".
Everything about that phrase requires a full understanding of history - an Achilles heel of American society.

The entire vocabulary of identity politics hinges on the idea of victims v. oppressors.
So what happens when you insert some gray into that black and white world view?

Here’s the problem: Progressives don’t like to admit this, but identity politics work as the mirror image of white supremacy — compressing the extraordinarily rich and complex histories of nations, continents, and cultures into one characteristic: skin color. For the white supremacist, white people are natural-born victors. For the identity-politics leftist, white people are natural-born predators.
But actual history belies the stereotypes. To take just one hot-button example, the history of slavery since the colonial era is not just a history of Europeans and white Americans enslaving Africans. It’s of Africans enslaving Africans, of Africans enslaving Europeans, and of Arabs enslaving Africans (and that’s just a partial summary). Yes, brown people enslaved white people by the millions: Should Americans of North African or Turkish descent check their privilege and believe their wealth was built on plunder?

And there is the problem.
Few Americans actually know the history behind the social identities that the political movements revolve around.

This is a big deal.

If your political movement is based on symbolism that lacks historical context - without context it's not called history, it's called dogma - then your movement has more in common with religion than reality.

What's more, Americans know even less about the history of the oppressors they want to fight against.
This is important because the white male oppressor you are rebelling against might be Jewish or Irish, who's personal ancestry might include a lot more suffering than yours.

Finally, I've found that pointing out inconsistencies between the identity politics movement and these historical facts with social justice warriors is nearly always met with derision and shocked disbelief that you would question their world view. In fact, merely doubting the validity of their world view was "proof" of your unworthiness.

Once again, this response more resembles religion than it does reality. Not just because of their unshakable faith, but also because of their dismissal of contradictory information (i.e. "I know enough").

Basically, I'm saying that identity politics is incompatible with progressive/left-wing politics, and it is being led by people who don't know what they are talking about.

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tourniquet's picture

all over social media right now.. twitter, facebook etc.. is trump voters basically saying: "you don't call people racist sexist misogynists then demand they vote for you." or something very similar. to this i can only say: no fucking shit. they did the same thing to sanders supporters.

that's why millenials broke for trump.

i hope all the special virtuous snowflakes on the her! side felt good trashing everyone that didn't agree with them 110%, or use the high-exalted intersectional-word-salad language properly, or believed every twisted-to-the-absurd statistic proving (PROVING, I SAY) that they were victims in need of justiceTM on the backs of the rest of the country. shouting down from places like freaking YALE.

i've gotta say, the schadenfreude is rich.

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Ever asked a religious fundamentalist about the history of the bible?
You usually get blank looks.

Same with social justice warriors.
Their understanding of their social group's victimization is skin deep.
They also have Injustice Collectors.

Hell, they even have Original Sin (white males).

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the mountains of the southeast for a couple of decades and the Primitive Baptists wanted their preachers to be illiterate because then, everything they knew and said and preached came directly from god. I often heard that "education is a tool of the devil."

Our daughter was told in 3rd grade public school that fossils were "tricks of the devil."

(Before that I lived in very rural very Mormon SW Utah and it was worse.)

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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Not that they would ever in a million years be capable of realizing it!

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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in the foothills of NC, on the outskirts of a pretty good sized city. i also spent a couple of summers in SLC/NSLC/ogden. mostly working in park city, because that's how you get rich in utah, heh. blew most of that on a girlfriend and the drive-thru drugs at the city shelter in downtown SLC... possibly the most active venue in any given 24hrs in all of utah.

i actually got kicked off the grounds of the temple in SLC for smoking grass. there needs to be a merit badge for that. in their defense, they didn't call the police...

that's only a couple sides of crazy religion, baptists/evangelicals and mormons. i lived in a small town in south dakota in my late teens/early twenties and there was a jehova's witness hall right outside of town, and the "normal" christians in town were evangelical born-agains. i was in a band with some of them for a short time, they did things like going out on weekends and burning all of their "secular" CDs, magazines, books, whatever materiel they felt didn't echo their chamber.

i don't blame them, i blame their parents. i'd expect that their parents have now been dealing with their severely fucked-up adult children for probably 20 years. that, or those children are community church leaders making bank off their now-thoroughly-sold-out religion.

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Then mix it up with some postmodernism. See, then you don't need any history, at least the sort written by historians.

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it's brainwashing more than religion. it's similar to religion, i'll give you that.. in that morals and bullshit are used to exercise control, but religion has a central entity generally, with some sort of doctrine. i've got more respect for religion (and i say this as an atheist, agnostic at best) because that doctrine is set in stone, some sort of documentation that you can actually argue against.

these peoples' "religion" is slippery as an eel when you try to discourse, because any one of them can make up whatever baffling bullshit they'd like on the spot and a lot of times there's no reference to dispute it.

and a lot of times that baffling bullshit is exactly that, baffling bullshit. no way to respond. "96% OF SCANDINAVIAN WOMEN IN ARUBA WERE RAPED WITHIN THE LAST TEN YEARS!" um, ok, let's just google.. oh, nothing on google about scandinavians in aruba. well, i guess you're right.

it's infuriatingly transparent, and i wish more people were less afraid of being labelled "somethingists" by these people.. because in the end, they're just bullshitters. just like the drunk white guy that starts talking gibberish at the bar and telling you it's arapahoe and that's his people and how dare you hate on his people. (digression, from my real life though)

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come about in the presence of overriding identity politics and that's way the 1% like to break the population into management factions to play off one against the other.

It's always good to ask Who benefits? when faced with a choice in analyzing an action.

It's also interesting to note that identities vary over time and vary from the observer to the observed. It seems to me that Jews are often thrown in the group "whites." If so, where does anti-Semitism come in? Arabs are Semites I think, as are Jews. Ask the ADL.

Now my genes are as Irish as if I were born and raised there because since 1654 when my father's side escaped the English invasion and came to the only RC colony in North America we've only had three identifiable names marry in that weren't common Irish surnames. My mother's side came over in the 1840s and married only Irish, including more recent immigrants, except for one French man. I guess if there weren't so many Irish immigrants we'd be pretty inbred(maybe we are?!).

American Indians, on occasion, had Africans as slaves.

I agree with you when you say "identity politics is incompatible with progressive/left wing politics." International working class solidarity is needed for the betterment of humanity and the rescue of the planet as a habitation for humans. We need to rescue the planet from those who exploit it for profit and who also exploit people for profit. It can be done and a first step is to rid the political stage of those who foist identity politics on the population because it does not benefit humanity and is designed to perpetrate monopoly capitalism which is destroying the ability to sustain life on earth.

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I feel blessed to emerge from formal and informal schooling with a critical mind; necessary when one designs an experiment (yes, we do that!) and the result is equivocal. That means that the experiment was not designed properly or the question was based on theory that should have been tossed.

Old test. How many can identify blobs on a map of the world? ME is hard, we are not familiar, except for bombing the shit out of places and sending our sons and daughters over there to die. A joker could make a fake map of Eastern Europe and most Americans would not notice. Many probably could not find Israel on a map, and the virtual boundaries go beyond the platted boundaries.

Most Americans who are Caucasian cannot identify the country-blobs other than Canada and Mexico. Maybe England. Central America after Mexico gets fuzzy, South America other than Brazil (the big blob) is unknown. Most do not know the significance of 56/40. Help the youth!

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gets fuzzy?" Agree with you about eastern Europe.

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Most do not know the significance of 56/40.

Including me. And I'm pretty good at both geography and history.

Unless you mis-struck, and wanted to type "54/40" (or fight), in which case I know that significance rather well!

Wink

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I can't place it correctly. Father was an historian after work-acquired TB during WWII. Faculty brat me placed out of all hisory classes in college (the same one he got his degree from, where I was born). strange times. Wink

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Coalitions become impossible, but coalitions are essential in a country where only two parties are considered viable.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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When Kim Kardashian endorsed Hillary I started believing the polls given she has 50,000,000 Twitter followers (Trump only had 4,000,000 more than Hillary).

The ignorance of the Constitution, history and geography is pathetic.

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The political revolution continues

The Clinton people worked day and night in coordination with their hirelings in the media to paint Trump supporters as "deplorables." Some pollsters are now beginning to argue that there is a great deal of evidence that the "shy Trump voter" was a reality and contributed significantly to the underestimation of Trump's support, especially in places like the Philly suburbs and the Rust Belt.

So the Clintonites were so successful in shaming Trump voters--but not switching their vote--that they didn't realize that MI, WI and PA were slipping badly until it was too late.

[video:https://youtu.be/rX7wtNOkuHo]

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drove Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to Trump. This is truly a party that can gather a lot of Wall St money and doesn't know what to do with it because the leadership refuses to acknowledge the pain and suffering the party, under Obama, has inflicted on or society.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

The overreach was pretty outrageous, enough to engender backlash.

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unexpectedly high rate. This group is made up of high school graduates or high school dropouts. This even as other age and racial groups are either holding their own or having their life spans increase.

Those who study this think the primary cause is the loss of factory jobs that paid a living wage and offered a retirement after years of tedium. Causes of early death include alcoholism, opiate overdose, and suicide which are all indicators of misery. Like the cotton farmers in India, over 100,000 deaths by suicide so far do to industrial agriculture displacing traditional sustainable agriculture, desperation has overtaken this population because neoliberal policies have stolen their jobs. Voting for Trump, who at least acknowledged their plight, was a natural outcome.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

It was some photography and film from the period combined with interviews of people who had lived through it. Many told stories of suicides among family and friends that were like those I heard from my family who had two close family friends, one a farmer and the other a banker, kill themselves in a tiny Midwestern farm town.

I'd call what we're in a Soft Depression, not quite as dramatic as the 30s and without the added environmental disaster of the Dust Bowl, but it still has the same social effects. We see people drive up and park in front of the little park across the street, they meet a dealer, and shoot up in the car. After blissing out for 20-30 minutes, they pull themselves together and presumably drive home. Many of these people drive late model cars. Most are white though most of the dealers are black. Social collapse is quite widespread. In some ways, it's worse than the 30s. As that documentary highlights, people helped each other back then by doing things like establishing their own gift economy to forming a crowd to stop evictions and foreclosures. I heard those stories too.

It is an astonishing sign of social collapse when life expectancy shrinks in the absence of some virulent plague.

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Drowning men, clutching at anything that floats by.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.

Thu, 11/10/2016 - 7:04pm — duckpin

Euro-American males, ages 45 to 54, are dying at an

unexpectedly high rate. This group is made up of high school graduates or high school dropouts. This even as other age and racial groups are either holding their own or having their life spans increase.

Those who study this think the primary cause is the loss of factory jobs that paid a living wage and offered a retirement after years of tedium. Causes of early death include alcoholism, opiate overdose, and suicide which are all indicators of misery. Like the cotton farmers in India, over 100,000 deaths by suicide so far do to industrial agriculture displacing traditional sustainable agriculture, desperation has overtaken this population because neoliberal policies have stolen their jobs. Voting for Trump, who at least acknowledged their plight, was a natural outcome.

Obama has been running conservative economic policies.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2263690.stm

Wednesday, 18 September, 2002, 23:02 GMT 00:02 UK
More suicides under Conservative rule

The suicide rate increases under Conservative governments, research suggests.

Australian scientists found the suicide rate in the country increased significantly when a Conservative government was in power.

And an analysis of figures in the UK seems to suggest a similar trend. ...

... The researchers took into account periods of drought and World War II, because of their economic and psychological impact.

Suicide rates were higher during periods of drought and lower during WWII.

But after adjusting for these factors, the figures clearly showed the highest rates of suicide occurred when both Conservative state and federal governments were in power.

Men at risk

Conversely, the lowest rates occurred when state and federal governments were both Labour.

Middle aged and older people were most at risk.

When the Conservatives ruled both state and federal governments, men were 17% more likely to commit suicide than when Labour was in power. Women were 40% more likely to kill themselves.

Suicide rates were higher under post-war than pre-war Conservative governments.

John Major
The rate dipped under moderate John Major
The authors argue that Conservative rule traditionally implies a less interventionist and more market-orientated policy than Labour rule.

This may make people feel more detached from society, they added.

The researchers concede that ideological distinctions between Conservative and Labour politicians have become more blurred over the past 20 years.

But they say public perceptions that their policies differ may still remain intact.

Lead researcher Professor Richard Taylor, of the University of Sydney, told BBC News Online: "We think that it may be because material conditions in lower socio-economic groups may be relatively better under labour because of government programmes, and there may be a perception of greater hope by these groups under labour.

"There is a strong relationship between socio-economic status and suicide."

The research is published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health.

British situation

In one of a series of accompanying editorials, Dr Mary Shaw and colleagues from the University of Bristol say the same patterns were evident in England and Wales between 1901 and 2000. ...

... Overall, they say, the figures suggest that 35,000 people would not have died had the Conservatives not been in power, equivalent to one suicide for every day of the 20th century or two for every day that the Conservatives ruled.

The UK Conservative Party refused to comment on the research. ...

Naturally, this following, (in accordance with the long-standing and now very widely applied industrial victim blame strategy for avoiding accurate attribution, compensation and regulation,) is being freely attributed to 'faulty life-style choices' among the poors, with the myriad factors ranging from vastly increased stress and inability to afford less toxic products - including foods and beverages - and homes in less polluted areas and the relative lack of social status/respect and of control over one's own life shown to proportionately reduce health and life expectancy in the Whitehall? studies (read them years earlier; they were quite famous, so anyone reading likely has heard of them) all ignored... even though, right next door in Canada, with similar smoking and fast-food consumption rates but less inequality and a previous history (prior to NAFTA 'harmonization') of better citizen protections against industrial pollution and unsafe foods, pharma meds and other potentially toxic products/exposures, such effects among the poorest were reversed over much of that period, up until the later 1990s even, apparently, in areas of heavier traffic and automotive and industrial pollution.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/health/disparity-in-life-spans-of-the-...

Disparity in Life Spans of the Rich and the Poor Is Growing

By SABRINA TAVERNISEFEB. 12, 2016

Experts have long known that rich people generally live longer than poor people. But a growing body of data shows a more disturbing pattern: Despite big advances in medicine, technology and education, the longevity gap between high-income and low-income Americans has been widening sharply.

The poor are losing ground not only in income, but also in years of life, the most basic measure of well-being. In the early 1970s, a 60-year-old man in the top half of the earnings ladder could expect to live 1.2 years longer than a man of the same age in the bottom half, according to an analysis by the Social Security Administration. Fast-forward to 2001, and he could expect to live 5.8 years longer than his poorer counterpart.

New research released on Friday contains even more jarring numbers. Looking at the extreme ends of the income spectrum, economists at the Brookings Institution found that for men born in 1920, there was a six-year difference in life expectancy between the top 10 percent of earners and the bottom 10 percent. For men born in 1950, that difference had more than doubled, to 14 years.

For women, the gap grew to 13 years, from 4.7 years.

“There has been this huge spreading out,” said Gary Burtless, one of the authors of the study. ...

... Limited access to health care accounts for surprisingly few premature deaths in America, researchers have found. So it is an open question whether President Obama’s health care law — which has sharply reduced the number of Americans without health insurance since 2014 — will help ease the disparity.

At the heart of the disparity, said Elizabeth H. Bradley, a professor of public health at Yale, are economic and social inequities, “and those are things that high-tech medicine cannot fix.” ...

... Poor health outcomes for low-income Americans have dragged the United States down to some of the lowest rankings of life expectancy among rich countries. The Social Security Administration found, for example, that life expectancy for the wealthiest American men at age 60 was just below the rates in Iceland and Japan, two countries where people live the longest. Americans in the bottom quarter of the wage scale, however, ranked much further down — one notch above Poland and the Czech Republic.

“It’s embarrassing,” Professor Bradley said. ...

... Many researchers believe the gap in life spans from lower- to upper-income Americans started widening about 40 years ago, when income inequality began to grow. Earlier in the 20th century, trends in life spans were of declining disparities, some experts say, because improvements in public health, such as the invention of the polio vaccine and improved sanitation, benefited rich and poor alike. ...

... The experience of other countries suggests that disparities do not necessarily get worse in contemporary times. Consider Canada, where men in the poorest urban neighborhoods experienced the biggest declines in mortality from heart disease from 1971 to 1996, according to a 2002 study. Over all, the gap in life expectancy at birth between income groups declined in Canada during that period. And a study comparing cancer survival rates found that low-income residents of Toronto had greater survival rates than their counterparts in Detroit. There was no difference for middle- and high-income residents in the two cities.

“There are large swaths of the population that are not enjoying the pretty impressive gains the rest of us are having in life spans,” said Christopher J. L. Murray, director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation in Seattle. “Not everybody is sharing in the same prosperity and progress.”

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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Some people are really fucking stupid.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs]

Of course, it's my sig, so... Blum 3

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

Much needed, and good to see you back here!

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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Going to be a bit more quiet, because my RL is more busy.

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

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Once again, this response more resembles religion than it does reality. Not just because of their unshakable faith, but also because of their dismissal of contradictory information (i.e. "I know enough").

An ideology - historically rooted in Marcus Garvey's idea, as DuBois pejoratively described it, of 'racial patriotism' - that black skin was in itself a 'patent to nobility'.

Garvey was basically a Black Supremacist, the flipside of the KKK model. In fact, Garvey was so enamored of this racialist model that he actually reached out to the KKK:

In early 1922, he went to Atlanta for a conference with KKK imperial giant Edward Young Clarke, seeking to advance his organization in the South. Garvey made a number of incendiary speeches in the months leading up to that meeting; in some, he thanked the whites for Jim Crow.[30] Garvey once stated: "I regard the Klan, the Anglo-Saxon clubs and White American societies, as far as the Negro is concerned, as better friends of the race than all other groups of hypocritical whites put together. I like honesty and fair play. You may call me a Klansman if you will, but, potentially, every white man is a Klansman as far as the Negro in competition with whites socially, economically and politically is concerned, and there is no use lying."

We see echoes of this attitude in the identity politics of today, the underlying assumption that racism/sexism is inherent in all people, and so the oppressed groups are perpetually in competition with the dominant ones.

The notion of EQUALITY with the dominant group, while often the stated goal, is actually just a euphemistic front. The real goal is POWER OVER the dominant.

Like Garvey, Social Justice Warriors don't want to get along. They want to rule.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

I like that phrase and am going to steal it.
I can tell you that in my neck of the woods, we teach the things mentioned in the article, but a lot of it is undone by home and parents/guardians/others asking, "Why does my snowflake have to know the capitals of the states?" (Forget any other place.)
There is a bright strain of anti-intellectualism and pseudo intellectualism in this country, and it is compounded by the oligarch's draining of funds from schools.
But we teachers are still subversive.
In fact, I spent the last three weeks teaching rhetoric and the kids have loved it, especially logical fallacies. I hear them correcting each other. "That's a straw man. Stop it." We're not a rich district. These are not rich kids.
"One mind at a time" is my motto.
But, the lack of ability for the ersatz liberals of the Her! coterie to think critically is gobsmacking. I have seen friends turn into the very things they mocked and derided not 8 years ago.
And heaven forbid I try to point out their inconsistencies.
Maybe I'll have my students do it for me.

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Holocaust, not Nazi Germany, so I don't put much stock in it.

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I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.