A Vote for Hillary is a Vote for More War S$it like this

I came across this video today. It's shows the pernicious continuing long-term effects of the war our country waged on the people of Vietnam. The misery it reveals is not a thing of the past, it is continuing to happen today. Warning, the video is rather graphic.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at2AcXii-YQ]

For anyone who couldn't bear to watch the video (and I wouldn't blame anyone who couldn't watch) it documents the continuing mutations and birth defects of children born in Vietnam whose parents bodies are still being contaminated by Agent Orange, a herbicide containing dioxin that was used in mass quantities to destroy vegetation and make it easier for American forces to find and kill people, sometimes people who were combatants but just as often innocent civilians, including children. And these long term birth defects are not the only issue with Agent Orange. It has also been implicated in a number of other diseases for which our military veterans of that war are finally considered eligible for VA benefits, including, without limitation, many cancers.

And though the US Military claims it doesn't target civilians in any of our current conflicts, we know that this is an outright canard, as the numerous drone attacks on wedding parties, and villages in the Middle east demonstrate, as well as hospitals bombed by US forces that were run by NGOs such as the Kunduz hospital in Afghanistan operated by Medicins Sans Frontieres (i.e., Doctors Without Borders a/k/a MSF). Read the reaction of MSF to the official investigation by the US military into the attack that killed forty-two people, patients and staff alike on October 3, 2015:

“Today’s briefing amounts to an admission of an uncontrolled military operation in a densely populated urban area, during which U.S. forces failed to follow the basic laws of war,” said Meinie Nicolai, MSF President. “It is incomprehensible that, under the circumstances described by the U.S., the attack was not called off.”

The hospital was fully functioning at the time of the airstrikes. The U.S. investigation acknowledges that there were no armed combatants within – and no fire from – the hospital compound.

“The threshold that must be crossed for this deadly incident to amount to a grave breach of international humanitarian law is not whether it was intentional or not,” said Nicolai. “With multinational coalitions fighting with different rules of engagement across a wide spectrum of wars today, whether in Afghanistan, Syria, or Yemen, armed groups cannot escape their responsibilities on the battlefield simply by ruling out the intent to attack a protected structure such as a hospital.” [...]

The administrative punishments announced by the U.S. today are out of proportion to the destruction of a protected medical facility, the deaths of 42 people, the wounding of dozens of others, and the total loss of vital medical services to hundreds of thousands of people. The lack of meaningful accountability sends a worrying signal to warring parties, and is unlikely to act as a deterrent against future violations of the rules of war.

The US military admitted using high explosive white phosphorus rounds in Iraq ( a violation of the Geneva Conventions as well as too many depleted uranium rounds to count during our wars and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Use of depleted uranium shells has led to unmitigated environmental and public health disasters for our soldiers and civilian populations wherever it has been employed.

Iraq’s Minister of Human Rights, Wijdan Mikhail Salim, reportedly told the Assabah newspaper that the lawsuit will be based on reports from the Iraqi ministries of science and the environment. These reports allege that the U.S. and the U.K. used nearly 2,000 tons of depleted uranium bombs during the early years of the the Iraq war.

In fact, one official Iraqi study has found that more than 40 sites across Iraq are currently contaminated with high levels of radiation and dioxins. [...]

In areas where depleted uranium use was the highest, Iraqi doctors have reported a massive rise in the number of babies born with birth defects and they have seen the number of cancer cases among Iraqi citizens absolutely skyrocket.

In fact, what is happening to babies in the city of Fallujah is beyond horrifying. Back in November, one major U.K. newspaper described the situation this way….

In September [2010], say campaigners, 170 children were born at Fallujah General Hospital, 24 per cent of whom died within seven days. Three-quarters of these exhibited deformities, including “children born with two heads, no heads, a single eye in their foreheads, or missing limbs”. The comparable data for August 2002 – before the invasion – records 530 births, of whom six died and only one of whom was deformed. [...]

Depleted uranium is both chemically toxic and highly radioactive. In laboratory tests it severely damages human cells, causes DNA mutations and has other carcinogenic effects.

Depleted uranium poisoning has been linked to a vast array of illnesses and diseases including severe skin rashes, intense muscle and joint pain, major birth defects, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, brain tumors and just about every type of cancer. Depleted uranium also replaces calcium in the body, thus destroying both teeth and bones.

As a result of the massive depleted uranium contamination in Iraq and Afghanistan, severe birth defects and cancer have dramatically increased not only among civilians living in the affected areas, but also among U.S. troops who served in areas where depleted uranium munitions were used.

Depleted uranium munitions are classified by the United Nations as illegal weapons of mass destruction, and yet the U.S. and the U.K. continue to use them.

The United States is responsible for these atrocities committed in wars our leaders chose to pursue, wars of aggression, which are universally acknowledged under International Law as war crimes. Indeed, our participation in the re-fueling of Saudi warplanes bombing Yemen civilian populations has led Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) to send a letter to the Obama administration warning that U.S. military personnel could be prosecuted for war crimes as a result of those actions. Ironic, as no one in the US leadership in either the Bush or Obama administrations, has been held responsible for the atrocities committed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and all the other conflicts around the globe in which US military personnel or intelligence agents were involved. Atrocities including rape, torture, the use of chemical weapons, and the prosecution of those wars themselves. No one of any significance has been indicted for war crimes or violations of the US Military Code of Justice. We are apparently a country too big to hold accountable for mass slaughter.

And who has been the most adamant pro-war, pro-use of American military forces candidate in this election? Hillary Clinton. It's not even a close call.

In case there was still any uncertainty, Hillary Clinton banished all doubt in her second debate with Donald Trump. A vote for her is a vote not only for war, but for war on behalf of Al Qaeda.

This is clear from her response to ABC reporter Martha Raddatz’s painfully loaded question about the Syrian conflict. With Raddatz going on about the hundreds killed by the evil twins, Bashar al-Assad and Putin and even tossing in the Holocaust for good measure, Clinton saw no reason to hold back:

“Well, the situation in Syria is catastrophic and every day that goes by we see the results of the regime – by Assad in partnership with the Iranians on the ground, the Russians in the air – bombarding places, in particular Aleppo where there are hundreds of thousands of people, probably about 250,000 still left, and there is a determined effort by the Russian air force to destroy Aleppo in order to eliminate the last of the Syrian rebels who are really holding out against the Assad regime.

“Russia hasn’t paid any attention to ISIS. They’re interested in keeping Assad in power. So I, when I was secretary of state, advocated, and I advocate today, a no-fly-zone and safe zones. … But I want to emphasize that what is at stake here is the ambitions and the aggressiveness of Russia. Russia has decided that it’s all in in Syria, and they’ve also decided who they want to see become president of the United States too, and it’s not me. I stood up to Russia, I’ve taken on Putin and others, and I would do that as president.”

As the Consortium news article goes on a great lengths to point out, these statements by Clinton were a gross distortion of the situation on the ground in Aleppo, where many of the over 1 million people living in the city are able to continue to function and carry on with their lives in relative safety. That is not the case on the suburban periphery of the city, where most of the fighting and bombing has occurred. And the military forces most responsible for the atrocities committed in Aleppo are not the Russians, but our putative allies, the so-called moderate rebels led by Al-Nusra and other extremist Sunni Muslim jihadist forces with ties to Al Qaida.

Despite Clinton’s claim that Russia is trying to “destroy Aleppo,” most of the city manages to carry on quite peacefully despite rebel “hell cannons” lobbing explosive-packed gas canisters into government-controlled areas at regular intervals.

“One of the most striking things about Aleppo,” New York Times reporter Declan Walsh wrote last May, “is how much of the city appears to be functioning relatively normally. Much of the periphery has been reduced to rubble. But in the city center, I saw people on the sidewalks, traffic flowing, hotels and cafes with plenty of customers, and universities and schools open for students.”

Not so in the rebel-held east, however. Juan Cole described the area as “a bombed-out slum,” a ghost town with a population conceivably as low as “a few tens of thousands.” Life under the rebels is “miserable,” he went on. “Some neighborhoods are controlled by Al-Qaeda, some by the hard line Salafi Jihadi ‘Freemen of Syria’ (Ahrar al-Sham), some by militias of, essentially, the Muslim Brotherhood.”

These "rebels" are being actively supplied and supported by Saudi Arabia and by the CIA. The same people whom threatened to kill American special ops forces if they participated in attacks against ISIS. The same people whose leaders were responsible for the 9/11 attacks.

And this is consistent with Clinton's stated agenda to impose a no-fly zone over Syria that would threaten a wider conflict with Russia. A no fly zone that Clinton herself admitted in a private speech to Goldman Sachs in 2013 would would kill "a lot of people" and would be effectively an act of war as it would require the targeting and destruction of missile defense systems manned by Syrian and Russian troops.

There is no question, upon examination of her record, that Hillary Clinton is a war hawk. She believes in the neoconservative policies that have bankrupted our nation, destroyed a fragile stability in the Middle East and led to a resurgence of terrorism by the most radical Sunni sects. She supported the Iraq War, promoted the overthrow of the Libyan regime, pushed Obama to intervene in Syria and approved the sale of billions of dollars of more weapons to our "allies" in the Gulf states. The same allies who she knows are funding ISIS and other jihadist organizations.

But she doesn't give a damn. For her and her neocon supporters in the military industrial complex, and her backers on Wall Street and the fossil fuel companies, these wars are simply "business" opportunities.

Her rhetoric and that of her surrogates this year against Russia has been far in excess of what the facts support. She wants war, and she doesn't care what the consequences are for the millions of people's lives who will be lost or ruined, including the lives of our own active military and their families. She is the greatest single danger to a nuclear conflict since the end of the Cold War.

Now Trump is no bed of roses either when it comes to his often inflammatory rhetoric in the area of foreign relations, but he has been far less adamant regarding an escalation of the conflict in Syria with the Russians. I can't say what he would do once in office, as Trump has been quite ambiguous regarding his policies, but what he has said has been less confrontational, and one can safely say, less hawkish, than Clinton.

Hillary, on the other hand is a known quantity. By that I mean we know exactly what she will do. She's told us over and over. Both her public and private positions are in agreement when it comes to her promotion of a more "robust" use of military force to resolve foreign disputes and crises. Far more aggressive than President Obama, who has shown himself to be no angel when it comes to killing people using our all means at his disposal among our armed forces. Hillary Clinton is, by any measure, a clear and present danger, to the peace of the world.

So, for those of you who plan to vote for her, be aware that she is no diplomat but a long term warmonger committed to regime change around the world wherever she thinks it would benefit US interests (i.e., corporate interests). In short, she's a thug in a pantsuit. If she were the potential leader of Russia or Iran the US media would be up in arms about her pro-war stance. Instead, they meekly and passively follow their orders and claim she's the lesser evil. In the case of a greater risk of military conflicts using US forces, conflicts that could lead to WWIII, that simply isn't the truth.

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Damnit Janet's picture

and I will continue.

Some of us have integrity, backbone and can't be bought or distracted.

((((Steven))))

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"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

#1 seller of weapons, bombs, anti-personnel mines and every engine of death imaginable.
#1 warmongering nation [hell even everything we are against requires a war association, war on drugs, war on poverty, war on terror, war on Twinkies.
#1 advocate of regime change
#1 spend on the military [more than everyone else put together]
#1 torturer
#1 imprisoner of its own population
#1 Proposer of brutal sanctions no matter who it hurts.
#1 supporter of absolute monarchies and dictators
Run by war criminals who pardon themselves. If another country behaved as we do, we would label them global terrorists.

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for this comment, please.
SPOT ON!

peace

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Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .

Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .

If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march

This is like blaming corporations for wrongdoing. It's the evil pieces of crap in charge who make that list happen. You blame the US of A. I understand it's a shortcut. But we have to stop with the shortcuts and name names. Blaming a country for individual wrongdoing provides cover for the criminals.

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I refuse to take some of the responsibility off those that vote for this shit Ds and Rs alike

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for actions by others beyond your control. That's not anywhere near my point.

I'm saying blame those responsible. A country or corporation is not responsible because how they act is dependent upon those in charge. Those in charge are responsible for the policies and outcomes. Placing blame on an abstract construct obscures the actions of individuals who are responsible.

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then we will continue to be lead by assholes.

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those who are the source or perpetuation of the corruption? Exxon didn't conceal climate change information. The people who had access to the information and said nothing, concealed it, are to blame. Blaming Exxon is inaccurate. Blaming and naming the officers and scientists is what should happen. Not doing so provides an opportunity to blame the framework (for example people blame government) which is a misdirection.

Civilizations have always been led by assholes. Periods where the common folk flourished are few and short.

** edit**

Just to be sure where we stand, although I don't think we need to, LaFem keep kicking ass.

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after all corporations are groups of individuals acting collectively, and collectively our courts have granted the rights and responsibilities of individual citizens to corporations. (Ok, maybe not the responsibility part.) Collectively corporations own and control who is in the government and what laws will be written. So an argument can be made that collectively the corporations and the captured individuals in government are responsible for bad governance, wars, the decline of the middle class and conspiracy to replace the representative democracy granted in our constitution with an oligarchy of capitalists and plutocrats who piss on democracy daily. As George Carlin said, "It's a big club, and you ain't in it."

What we have is a collective conspiracy of individuals, corporations and elected officials, acting in concert with each other, but you want to identify them as individuals and pick them off one at a time? As individuals? With their friends still in power, protecting them?

Good luck with that!

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“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024

I imagine "Good luck with that!" was told to Bernie when he decided to run. Obsequience is your choice.

Alignment of interest is sufficient for malfeasance to happen, no conspiracy, which is the norm, is required.

**edited part below because this pisses me off**

Bernie shouldn't have happened according to conventional wisdom, according to "Good luck with that!" The People can't have health care because "Good luck with that!" The People can't be educated because "Good luck with that!" The People can not have equal opportunity because "Good luck with that!"

Because something is hard, does not mean it can't be done. "Good luck with that!" is the regurgitated pablum of an institutionalized shill, this includes those beaten into submission, or an ally to those against self determination.

"Good luck with that!" implicitly recognizes and subordinates, in the context of an allegedly responsive government, the needs of the governed to those who exercise power.

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Our "allegedly responsive government" isn't, and replacing nonresponsive representatives with persons who actually believe in serving the people rather than serving themselves and their cronies is meant to be accomplished by excercising our preference at the polls. That avenue has some serious limitations given our current two party system, and it's preselection process. Perhaps that can be changed over the next several election cycles with third and fourth parties, perhaps a "revolution" will come out of our anger and frustrations or perhaps we are headed to a far less democratic future. I don't know.

I am probably as outraged as you about the non responsiveness of our government and the culture of corruption that pervades those in positions of power. We may have different ideas about correctives that may be fruitful, but I think we both agree that corrections are needed.

My "good luck" comment was not meant to incite, simply to emphasize that I had a very different POV about what might work. I hate the status quo and am hardly an "institutionalized shill."

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“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024

and civilians continue to pay the price long after the troops have shed their uniforms and either returned home or found their grave. Yet these periodic epsodes of reciprocal mass destruction continue to hold a place in the toolbox of international relationships.

It strikes me as a form of institutional insanity, that we continue to prepare for and then participate in, often for the most venal of reasons and with an ever increasing level of violent and efficient technology, wars designed primarily to provide profit to the wealthy and only pain and suffering to the masses.

If no investors or politicians were to profit by it, wars of choice would become exceedingly rare, perhaps even nonexistent.

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“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024

For her and her neocon supporters in the military industrial complex, and her backers on Wall Street and the fossil fuel companies, these wars are simply "business" opportunities.

The theft, fraud, and outright corruption is bad enough. The wars are not tolerable. Trump voters scream about immigrants and fail to blame the people who blew up their homes or destroyed their sufficiency in some way.

I wrestled and wrestled with voting strategy. Do I vote for Trump to make Hillary lose? No matter how hard I tried, my crystal ball just wouldn't tell me which would be the worst of the two for me, mine and country. No doubt the GOP can and will obstruct Hillary, but the Democrats couldn't fight Trump or their grandmothers and win even if they had both hands tied behind their backs. So, I compromised and played it safe. I voted for Jill Stein. It wasn't a vote for Hill or Donald, so whatever they do is not on me. I saw in an ABC national poll today that she is at 5%. Johnson is at 14% because mouthbreathers are apparently smarter than Hillbots.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

Damnit Janet's picture

I can look my loved in the face and state that I did not support or vote for the lessor of two evils

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Steven D's picture

I look forward to mine on Tuesday where our NY PTB refuse to allow early voting.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

Billionaires are the logjam of everything that benefits society or improves the human condition. They are the de facto government while the corporate media vomits, and some of us regurgitate, the idea we're a democracy when a study by Princeton, IIRC, indicates your vote in all likelihood for either party doesn't matter. Vote Hillary, yet it doesn't matter.

We're in a war. It's billionaire against the rest of us. And most of you are clueless about it, well not so much on this site, because your good natures interfere with understanding the vileness you face. Look at this diary. Look at North Dakota. Look at the Middle East. Look at our history. Look at OWS. The threat is real. Our leaders have no intention of ruling fairly or justly because they only answer to the capriciousness of billionaires.

We can't address other problems until we address the root cause. Wealthy individuals have hijacked our government.

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Thaumlord-Exelbirth's picture

Would be better off if we weren't fighting ISIS. Because we are so, so much worse than them when it comes to genocide.

Edit: "We" being our government, and those that support it.

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We've chased the indigenous population of the mid-east to Europe as we consume more countries into chaos. We've caused the immigrant problem single handedly through haphazard violence and wonder why they want to get the hell out of the area. We ARE the problem and I'm at a loss as to why more protests against U.S. policy isn't seen in Europe - unless it IS and we just don't see it. What are Europeans thinking about us lately? - the Ugly American on steroids?? Jeez we are bad world neighbors....

Peace
FN

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"Democracy is technique and the ability of power not to be understood as oppressor. Capitalism is the boss and democracy is its spokesperson." Peace - FN

lotlizard's picture

there’s a dilemma.

In Germany, for example, the center-left, the center, the center-right, and for the moment even the Greens (who used to be the “peace party”) have all boxed themselves into a position where they have to go along with the foreign-policy consensus dictated by the U.S., the E.U., NATO, Israel, the Saudis, and now even Turkey.

That means any opposition has to come from the far Left and the far Right — and the far Left feels it mustn’t be seen doing anything in concert with the far Right.

As just one example, there was a big demonstration in the capital of protesters marching against the TTIP. The organizers spent more energy blocking participation from right-wing groups than they did putting real pressure on the Social Democrats — who are in the governing coalition — to nix the TTIP. Anyway, the protest failed — the Social Democrats are going to vote for the TTIP “with tweaks.”

It’s soooo familiar. The establishment figures you were looking to for help, they fold and cave as soon as the real Powers That Be promise them some meaningless, to-be-announced-later “tweaks.”

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Steven D's picture

is all I can say to that.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

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reflectionsv37's picture

What is depicted in that video is but a fraction of what you see on nearly every street in every town or city in Vietnam. The birth defects have been going on for 40+ years and it's not just children. You see fully grown adults with crumpled legs dragging themselves through the streets on the kind of devices car mechanics use to slide under your car. Deformed limbs are so common you simply can't help to see it and you see it everywhere. I saw things there that literally haunted my dreams for weeks afterwards. In HCMC we saw a small baby, maybe 1 or 2 years old being held by it's mother while she begged for money. It's head was considerably larger than the size of a basketball.

We visited as many of the war museums and ancient historical sites. A full 25% of all the land mass in Vietnam was sprayed with Agent Orange. Think about that for a minute, 25% of the entire country. From what we read, the birth defects will continue for many more generations before the dioxin levels eventually fall. And the number and tonnage of bombs that we dropped on the country is literally impossible to comprehend. These were dropped everywhere, indiscriminately, on the civilian population.

Nearly every ancient ruin site we visited had the evidence of war with bullet holes in the walls and what was left of the ancient artifacts. In some cases, sites like one in Hue, were 90% destroyed. A particularly old site outside HCMC city, I believe one of the oldest in Vietnam, had been bombed so completely that had the Vietnamese not been actively restoring it, there would be nothing left to see.

As an American it was painful to bear witness to what we saw 45 years after the fact. We spent so much of our time there hanging our heads in shame at what was done in our name. And to make it that much more difficult, the Vietnamese people are so gracious, gentle and welcoming that we felt like animals in comparison. On the few occasions that I managed the courage to ask someone there how they felt about America and Americans, I always received the same answer. "The war is over and it's all history now. The important thing is that we are at peace now. We welcome Americans to our country."

Sadly, when we looked around, we knew that wasn't true. The effects of that war and suffering of the people will continue for generations to come. And there really isn't anything that can change that.

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“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush

thanatokephaloides's picture

I managed the courage to ask someone there how they felt about America and Americans, I always received the same answer. "The war is over and it's all history now. The important thing is that we are at peace now. We welcome Americans to our country."

The Viet people have always known that the War was never supported by the vast majority of wage-earning class Americans, the ones who were forced to come and fight and die. They knew then, and know now, that the ordinary American soldiers are no less victims than they themselves. And, in fact, that's how that war was finally brought to an end: ordinary Americans were no longer willing to kill Vietnamese, and die themselves, so that Wall Street fat cats could grow fatter. "Hell, no, we won't go! We won't die for Texaco!"

Today, it is my understanding that more tourists come to Vietnam from the USA than from anywhere else. The strongest backlash to the bastards who embroiled us in the Vietnam War is that ordinary Americans galore utterly love the place and its people and its culture. This solidarity, unimaginable during the War, may well bring about solutions to these problems -- on both sides of the Pacific.

It sure as fuck won't be the rich and powerful that make it happen!

Diablo Bomb

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reflectionsv37's picture

I still find it difficult to believe that they find it so easy to move on. What we did to that country was so wrong and yet they did move on. The American people aren't like that. When Mrs. R wrote about our plans to visit on Facebook, one of the guys from our sailing club, who is old enough to remember the war if not serve in it, wrote, "I can't believe you would consider going there. I can never forgive or forget." We were both dumbfounded! Wanted to slap him upside the head and see if we could ring a bell or two. Seems he forgot the part of the US being in "their" country. I can't imagine what he would do if the shoe was on the other foot. Lots of dumb shits in the US.

There is a large American expat community throughout Vietnam and many, if not most, are former veterans of the war. Vietnam has become an incredibly popular tourist location and you'll find people from all over the world there. It's a beautiful country with incredibly wonderful people. We'd love to go back. In fact, it's one of the top 5 places to spend our remaining years once we grow to old to continue sailing. Unfortunately for us, the waters of Vietnam are not yet open for foreign cruising boats but I suspect that too will change in the future. Once that happens, there will be hundreds of converging on the area every season. We'd be first in line!

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“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush