Hunger Makes People Work Harder and other Republicanisms

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"You know, people are poor in America, Steve, not because they lack money; they're poor because they lack values, morals, and ethics. And if government can't teach and instill that, we're wasting our time simply giving poor people money."
  - Bill Cunningham, October 28, 2008

"The poor know little of the motives which stimulate the higher ranks of action - pride, honor and ambition. In general it is only hunger which can spur and goad them onto labor."
  - Joseph Townsend, 1786

“People who are perfectly capable of working are buying things like beer.”
  - James Inhofe, Republican of Oklahoma

"Everyone but an idiot knows that the lower classes must be kept poor or they will never be industrious."
  - Arthur Young, 1771

“The explosion of food stamps in this country is not just a fiscal issue for me, this is a defining moral issue of our time.”
  - Representative Steve Southerland, Republican from Florida

“The only way to prevent the people from becoming habitually dependent on government is to bring the operation to a close.”
  - Sir Charles Trevelyan (on ending Irish famine relief efforts), circa 1850

“[the social safety net has become] a hammock that lulls able-bodied people to lives of dependency and complacency.”
  - Paul Ryan, 2011

“It is time that we recognize that many families are trying to survive in drug-induced poverty, and we have an obligation to make sure taxpayer money is not being used to support drug dealers.”
  - Utah state senator Tim Schaffer, 2013

"The poor ... are like the shadows in a painting: they provide the necessary contrast."
  - Philippe Hecquet, 1740

[children in poor neighborhoods have] “no habits of working and nobody around them who works.”
  - Newt Gingrich, 2012

''In order to succeed, the poor need most of all the spur of their poverty.''
 - George Gilder, ''Wealth and Poverty'' 1980

"There is not a more contented people amoung us, than those that work the hardest and are the least acquainted with the pomp and delicacies of the world."
  - Bernard de Mandeville, 1732

"There are no rich. There are no middle class. There are no poor... We all either work for rich people or we sell stuff to rich people."
   - Rand Paul, 2010

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Social Security stacked up against the handouts to global capital by the federal government. My guess it'd be paltry in comparison. Besides, Food Stamps help support the bottom line of WalMart and other underpaying businesses.

Aren't we reading about a tax holiday for the business scofflaws that haven't paid their taxes and are hiding the money off shore because they will only have to pay of fraction of what they owe the government. How much is the giveaway this time,Obama?

How about sending a bill to Big Finance and Big Oil for the military "softening up" done on behalf of their bottom lines? Do the oil companies tell the soldiers "We honor your service?"

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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I'd like to see the total Family Assistance and Supplemental Social Security stacked up against the handouts to global capital by the federal government. My guess it'd be paltry in comparison.

Considering the fact that almost all of the military budget, by nearly a full order of magnitude the largest on Earth, qualifies as the latter, you're spot-on!

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

such that I didn't have to say it.

Slash the military budget! Do we need any of the 16 intelligence agencies our tax dollars support? Do we need more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world combined?

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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I say "Thank You" and mean it but I really wish the reality was such that I didn't have to say it.

Support Our Troops -- Bring Them All Home Now!

Do we need any of the 16 intelligence agencies our tax dollars support?

We sure as fuck don't need the God-damned DEA! And most of the rest of that apparatus could probably use a good haircutting, too!

Do we need more aircraft carriers than the rest of the world combined?

There's actually an entire class of aircraft carrier -- the superheavy carrier -- which has no other members but American ones. Admittedly, Western Europe would need to supply some of what these carriers supply if we trimmed back to our own needs. But why the fuck not? Sell some of those supercarriers to the Brits! (No language barrier)

And once we start bringing these folks home, we need to spend the cash to get them re-integrated to a peace-footed American society, the kind we had from 1900 until 1941. (We were caught flat-footed re: WWI; I say that risk is cheaper and easier to sustain than the ridiculous military budget we're paying now.)

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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“... this legislation provides an historic opportunity to end welfare as we know it and transform our broken welfare system by promoting the fundamental values of work, responsibility, and family.” --Bill Clinton, 1996

“I’ve advocated tying the welfare payment to certain behavior about being a good parent. You couldn’t get your welfare check if your child wasn’t immunized. You couldn’t get your welfare check if you didn’t participate in a parenting program. You couldn’t get your check if you didn’t show up for student-teacher conferences.” --Hillary Clinton, 1997

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We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass

investment like you and Bill did in Arkansas. That would be a good anti-poverty program.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

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Here's part of why:

“... this legislation provides an historic opportunity to end welfare as we know it and transform our broken welfare system by promoting the fundamental values of work, responsibility, and family.” --Bill Clinton, 1996

“I’ve advocated tying the welfare payment to certain behavior about being a good parent. You couldn’t get your welfare check if your child wasn’t immunized. You couldn’t get your welfare check if you didn’t participate in a parenting program. You couldn’t get your check if you didn’t show up for student-teacher conferences.” --Hillary Clinton, 1997

We need both of these fuckers completely privatized. Their public lives are harmful to the public.

Diablo

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

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(2 Thess 3:10) and Stalin/Lenin both agreed that

those who do not work, neither shall they eat.

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He started the movement of the Church away from the pure communism it had been, and toward the monolithic authoritarianism it became and has remained. And he infused with the heartless intolerance it still has.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

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That was Paul's opinion. He started the movement of the Church away from the pure communism it had been, and toward the monolithic authoritarianism it became and has remained. And he infused with the heartless intolerance it still has.

Thus killing the religion taught by Jesus and his brother James the Greater dead as doornails.

And almost no vestige of it exists today, courtesy of that sexually repressed asshole.

Grrrr.

Diablo

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

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Paul was the antithesis of Jesus' teachings yet he and his misogynism is considered by many so-called "followers of Jesus" to be the true embodiment of Christianity.

Very strange!

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partly about how they dealt with the poor.

"Early American patterns of publicly funded poor relief emerged mainly from the English heritage of early settlers. The policies and practices of aiding the poor current in England when the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth, Massachusetts were shaped primarily by the Elizabethan Poor Laws of 1594 and 1601, and the Law of Settlement and Removal of 1662. The English poor laws classified poor/dependent people into three major categories and established a requirement for “residency” before aid was provided. Dependent persons were categorized as: vagrant, the involuntary unemployed and the helpless. In effect, the poor laws separated the poor into two classes: the worthy (e.g., orphans, widows, handicapped, frail elderly) and the unworthy (e.g., drunkards, shiftless, lazy). The poor laws also set down the means for dealing with each category of needy persons and established the parish (i.e., local government) as the responsible agent for administering the law. Parish officials were given the authority to raise taxes as needed and use the funds to build and manage almshouses; to supply food and sustenance in their own homes for the aged and the handicapped, (e.g., blind, crippled); and to purchase materials necessary to put the able-bodied to work. If vagrants or able-bodied persons refused to work they could be put in jail."

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Able-bodied persons with no means of support could/were encouraged to/were sometimes forced to sell themselves into indentured servitude for a term of years. This went on even after Virginia swallowed the poisoned apple in 1619 and added the indenture, and soon the full-on enslavement, of black Africans.

Indentured servitude was discontinued when it was no longer needed because the supply of black slave labor had become so plentiful (and also because if a white indenture ran away, they could fade into the general population and effectively void the contract).

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"Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"

Twas Christmas day in the workhouse
And the Warden strode down the halls,
"Did y'enjoy your Christmas dinner?"
But the Inmates shouted, "Ba!!s"!

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and then going on to say " we either work for or sell stuff to the rich." ??

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

Wed, 10/26/2016 - 6:31pm — Bisbonian

What the heck does Rand Paul mean, "there are no rich"...

and then going on to say " we either work for or sell stuff to the rich." ??

Anyone who bases their notion of 'the ideal for politics' on a character in a fictional novel promoting the abandonment of the concept of civilization in order to devolve to an 'every man for himself and the devil take the hindmost' dystopia cannot be expected to make sense.

If not for such dystopian policies serving the predatory being in place, there would be help readily available for people like that.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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how one is supposed to work when there are not enough jobs.

FDR did it, but they don't like his "socialism".

We have about 7 million long-term unemployed. Either get the rich to let loose of their tight-fisted hoarding of the money and create 7 million fulltime living-wage jobs and then talk to me about how everyone should work (really it needs to be more than that to accommodate the underemployed and part-time who would like fulltime, but whatever). Or have the government do the same. Say $30K per job, so that would cost $210 billion per year. We probably have the need, if you look at all the infrastructure needs.

So spend $210 billion from the pockets of the rich one way or the other, create 7 million jobs at $30K/year (about $15/hour fulltime), consider that a small step in the right direction, and then if you have everyone sitting around refusing to work, then we might begin a conversation about the moral value of work.

Personally, I know a lot of retired people who hate retirement. I think working, feeling useful, is a human need. If you give people enough to live on with a guaranteed basic income, most will still work to fulfill that need and to buy more than the basics.

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Much of that money has been drained from the public, both individually and via the sucking-up of public funds, and from their abused and polluted resources.

If giant corporations can't afford to pay a fair share of taxes and a living wage to all workers, they should shut down and let more efficient small/mid-sized business take over.

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Boy, can they afford it. They just don't want to. But they could if we made them.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/05/20/third-cash-owned-...

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Thanks! We know it's that bad, but links like that certainly demonstrate how insane a level it's reached!

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Corporations, in the first place, is that they provide a useful public service that we cannot do as individuals. If they DON'T provide that useful service...jobs, infrastructure, whatever, then their charter can be revoked...and they cease to exist.

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"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X

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How can anyone work for the non-existent rich?

Anyway, it's this overarching attitude that led to bad times in Paris some 200+ plus years ago. The non-existent rich didn't do so well then. Very existent heads saw the bottom of a basket.

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Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.

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“Deplorables” — the American sans-culottes ?

“I dreamed a dream . . .”   ♪ ♫   Les Déplorables ?

What do you call your act, America? The Her·istocrats.

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