When I poked the Hillbot hornet's nest
I'm going to post this on Orange State just to get a reaction.
One thing all liberals can agree on is that the Syrian Kurds are the good guys, and the jihadist terrorists in Syria are the bad guys.
So when Turkey and their jihadist allies launched a full-scale assault on our Syrian Kurdish allies, you would think that Washington would be outraged.
You would be wrong.
Overnight, Turkish warplanes entered Syria, attacking US-backed Kurdish forces. Turkey reported 200 Kurdish fighters killed, though the Kurds insisted the number was somewhat lower. Either way, the US response to an overt attack on their allies was tepid, to put it mildly.
While the State Department refused direct comment on the attacks and would only say they prefer to see the two groups both fighting against ISIS, Defense Secretary Ash Carter followed up on the attack by insisting that the US partnership with Turkey is “very strong.”
Sounds like the Syrian Kurds just got thrown under the bus.
One thing to keep in mind is that our "moderate" allies in the FSA were drawn directly from Idlib province, which is controlled by Fateh al-Sham (i.e. al-Qaeda) and its ally, Ahrar al-Sham. Both groups hate Americans.
US special forces soldiers were reportedly forced to flee a town in northern Syria after Free Syrian Army fighters threatened to "slaughter" them for their "invasion", according to videos and reports posted on social media on Friday....
In the video, fighters from the FSA chant that US forces are "pigs", "crusaders" and "infidels".
"Dogs, agents of America," one man can be heard to say in Arabic, while others chant "They are crusaders and infidels", "Down with America", "'Get out you pigs" and "They are coming to Syria to occupy it"...
One US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters that initial reports appeared to confirm the incident.
This group has declared war on the Kurds, a war that we seem incline to pretend doesn't exist.
Why did Turkey decide to bomb the Kurds? To prevent them from defeating ISIS at al-Bab.
Turkey killed up to 200 Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Unit (YPG), the military wing of the Democratic Union Party (PYD), in air strikes in northern Syria on Oct. 19 in order to prevent the YPG fighters’ march to the town of al-Bab more to the south, security sources said.
Al-Bab is currently under the control of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL)
It's important that someone keep the Kurds from defeating ISIS, because...?
Fortunately, there are people willing to bravely risk their lives to defend our courageous Kurdish allies - the Assad government.
The Syrian government has accused Turkey of escalating the complex war in Syria by carrying out air strikes near Aleppo, warning that further Turkish planes in Syrian airspace will be “brought down by all means available.
The Turkish air force struck 18 different Kurdish targets in Maarraat Umm Hawsh near Aleppo on Thursday, killing up to 200 soldiers.
Yes, the Assad government is prepared to go to war with Turkey to protect our Kurdish allies from America-hating Islamic jihadists.
How...ironic.
Also, the Syrian Kurds have another ally willing to step up for them - Russia.
Local observers on Twitter reported that Russia launched airstrikes Oct. 19 against Free Syrian Army (FSA) positions in the city of Marea, Aleppo province, north of Sahba Dam. The FSA warned all civilians to leave Tal Rifaat on Oct. 18 and declared it a military zone. The area is primarily held by Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) based in Afrin, but the FSA wants to retake it, having lost the area amid the battle for the city of Aleppo. Turkish-backed units of the FSA have been embroiled in ongoing clashes with YPG fighters since Oct. 18 as each moves in on Islamic State positions in the vicinity. Turkey has stepped in with artillery support for the FSA, shelling YPG positions Oct. 19 in Hasajik, Hasieh, the Sahba Dam and Um Hosh. The FSA's recent advances have brought it within a few kilometers of loyalist lines.
Yes, Russia is going to war with America-hating Islamic jihadists to protect our Kurdish allies.
How ironic...again.
The Kurds have watching closely to see who their real allies are.
A YPG commander in Syria told Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity, “We will be watching very closely who reacts and how,” in a reference to the United States and Russia, both allied with the YPG in Syria...
Russia clearly benefits from any Turkish move that deepens the rift between Ankara and Washington. Turkey’s attacks against the YPG will have certainly helped to achieve that goal.
Comments
Why al-Bab is important
Why it's important to Assad
Russia is always going to side with the shiites.
Russia has a HUGE population of Shiites in the southern part of Russia bordering Iran. They will always back them. It's why they're backing Assad and Iran.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
The Russians don't mind the Turks controlling Jarabulus...
because it's a border crossing town and the Turks have a legitimate security need in preventing Kurdish infiltrators.
What they don't want is Turkey trying to push south from there and gain control of the west bank of the Euphrates, which cuts a lot of very important supply lines as well as prevents the Western Kurdish enclave from linking up with their countrymen to the East.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Traditionally,
the kurds get thrown under the bus. That's why their lands were split among so many countries.
Turkey, under its current regime, is angling to restore parts
of the Ottoman empire like in Thrace, Bosnia, and other areas.
Ask the Kurds about Kissinger.
The only positive is that Turkey may leave NATO thereby weakening this Cold War relic.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
On a not terribly related note
but important nevertheless, Assad was recently claiming that the boy "Omran" whose picture went viral, was actually part of a larger propaganda effort by forces allied with the islamists. I was skeptical, but it looks like there is photographoc evidence that he and his sister were "recued" more than once. Check it out:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/10/assad-says-the-boy-in-the-ambulance...
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
That was a real breakout story for MofA
I seen it syndicated to a number of online magazines.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Thanks for the link!
Thanks for the link!
Comments were interesting to, as were some links provided, a couple of which have been copied/linked below:
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/10/assad-says-the-boy-in-the-ambulance...
Links to:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/21/hill-staffer-floats-solution-to-syr...
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/10/assad-says-the-boy-in-the-ambulance...
Links to:
http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/09/09/fox-news-analyst-and-clinton-ope...
Putin's very diplomatic, isn't he? Better manners than the Clintons, thank goodness! Nasty little social climbers that they are.
He suggests that Hilary is weak and indeed she is - she is a follower of those who can dispense money and power; she has no moral compass or centre herself.
Putin is a leader, even if I disagree with many of his... pretty much everything. But - going by what I've seen of this video (missed a bunch, copying) and of his responses - he can see and consider the big picture, and do so apparently dispassionately and in a controlled manner, unlike the Clintons, who are fairly typical psychopaths. He was actually asked in the interview as to whether he preferred Trump or Clinton, and did not respond that he'd much prefer dealing with the sane and democratic Dr. Jill Stein... very controlled, indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnqx6PYLqoQ&app=desktop
But here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eCYHHMON8I
And good for him! About time somebody with power stood up to the corporate bullies! And there are more, especially those capable of self-defense/Mutual Assured Destruction rather than being passively nuked as not easily invaded and overrun by the barbarian hordes (or so the corporate faction always thinks, even though they never seem to 'win' these illegal invasions,) and who will not go tamely to the corporate slaughterhouse without at least striking back at those so detached from decency and reality/sanity as to threaten to nuke other people's countries for ease of global corporate pillaging and destruction.
And of course he should not 'soften counter-sanctions' in response to those inflicted by corporate representatives in the US government - what's sauce for the gander is sauce for the silly geese willing to destroy the world in order to take it. Having been industriously killing off the Golden Goose of democracy and a living wage for at least some workers, which made for a healthier economy - which is what made them wealthy in the first place.
India and China are smart enough to band together with Russia and other threatened countries not yet entirely economically (and fictionally; a traitor's act in turning over his/her country and people to hostiles can never be 'legally binding' on those publics betrayed and defrauded into claimed serfdom) captured for corporate use in Trojan Horse 'trade deals' and to work together to stave off the threat of nuclear global annihilation the corporate ignoramus faction seems so eager to initiate and engage in with horrific nuclear war-crimes aimed against multiple other countries. And that refusal to knuckle under to bullies and wildly destructive crazy-people could be the biggest aid to any hope of survival and freedom we can expect.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Link to GOS
I rarely go there, and can never find when you post?
thanks...it's interesting to read their comments, sometimes..
Hillbots have also thrown the Kurds under the bus
Good soldiers at following orders
Good grief
Some of those idjits are the most unself-reflective people this side of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. I feel like a reformed drunk watching last call at the corner bar peeking in over there.
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I just sneaked a peek at a Clinton diary Over There and
am having to sit on my fingers not to respond.
No, people, the "real reason" we don't like Hillary has nothing to do with sexism!!!!! Racism, hers, more like.
OK. Said it. Whew.
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Yeah, I won't vote for Hillary because
she is a woman. That's why I voted for Jill Stein, a few days ago...and four years ago...and Cynthia McKinney four years before that.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
A primary race I'd LOOOOOVE to see
....... Hillary Clinton vs. Zephyr Teachout.
The latter would mop the floor with the former without significant effort.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Clearly, your issue is Methodist women, the single
mostest very worstest kind of misogynistic misogyny in all possible universes. Well, except for Hillary Hate misogyny, which is really the worst.
Shame on you!
Actually, one of my favorite women friends
Is a Methodist choir director. And I'd vote for her in a heartbeat. She's not running.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
HA! Sounds a lot like "Some of my best friends are
Methodist women."
Admitting it is the first step to healing, friend. Admit your misogyny is the only reason you can't love The Hillary and she will forgive you,
WinstonBisbonian. She's very forgiving, you know. She forgave Obama and Sanders. I don't know why those Secret Service agents refuse to work on her detail, but she forgives them, too. I feel it my bones.That killjoy person is a nasty unit, isn't he/she?
Obama won't stand up to Erdogan, we need Incirlik to keep tabs on the Russian
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FROM WIKILINKS
Reconnaissance missions from Incirlik
Even the early years of its existence proved the value of the presence of the Incirlik Air Base in Turkey, not only to counter the threat of the communist Soviet Union during the Cold War, but also to responding to crises in the Middle East, such as in Lebanon and Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incirlik_Air_Base
End of Wikilinks Snippet
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MY COMMENT:
Hopey-Changey has brought back the Cold War. He thinks he's Master of the Universe. But he's playing with fire. The Russians aren't about to put up with too much of his nonsense, and they're certainly not going to back down.
It's interesting that it's always these buffoons who've never served who start the biggest messes. This guy hasn't had to give up one damn thing in his privileged life, but he sure expects it of the rest of us.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
As I dimly recall
…a uniquely ugly piece of filth.
Of course, we're only taking about pixels on a monitor that create sickening pictures in one's mind. Who can really know what is behind it?
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
I'm begging you
Please quit posting unlabeled links to the GOS. Slavemaster KOS should be getting ZERO traffic from us. Why do so many of you still give a shit what those doofuses think?
Entertainment purposes
Grim, dark, entertainment.
I only posted the link cause someone asked
I'm currently in the process of deleting my old diaries. 500 deleted so far.
Saving them for yourself though, right?
And/or storing them here? You wrote a lot of great stuff over there.
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Nope, not saving them
But I'll crosspost the best of them.
I just don't want to be part of the damage that GOS is doing to the country.
But your old diaries might
But your old diaries might help clear the fog for any finding them - cutting out all of the reality from the propaganda rags leaves no life-line for the confused, and I strongly feel that this is a mistake. Not to mention a waste of good diaries/information.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Oh good grief.
That little boutique of over-the-hill nobodies has affected the country not at all. They are roadside toadies who were swept up in the greatest election depravity of our lifetimes. They are destined for history's dumpster with other shameful and meaningless garbage.
I deleted my writing repeatedly over the years to avoid stinking in the same dumpster with them. But not because I thought they were at all influential or effective.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
You have no doubt been to my diary warehouse
https://cassiodorusblog.wordpress.com/about/
I didn't save every diary. For instance, that piece of nonsense I wrote about the Frankfurt School way back when is gone. But I saved most of them, and deleted them all from Markos' website.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
Mine are still over there--
because I just can't stand to go over there for any length of time, right now.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Deleting diaries from Orange is hard work --
but someone has to do it.
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
I started with my kosmails.
They are all gone. Now I am working on getting rid of my diaries but that is tedious and hard. Probably on purpose. I don't think there is much there worth bothering with but still.. I don't like kos having his groping fingers on it.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Can you cross post
your Kos stuff here?
I get that people don't want their stuff at Kos - it just seems like a disappearance of important pieces of life.
dfarrah
If I run across anything worth it, of course...
I was not a prolific diarist over there.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
If you are banned on dailykos, you can't delete your diaries
I publicly wrote a diary that I knew would ban myself. I am glad I did. I am totally in no illusions about the fact that dailykos doesn't allow people to erase their diaries and accounts. They are the masters of the univers.
I don't care about it, my diaries were irrelevant anyhow. But as long as the technology functions as it is, it's a perfect tool for preventing anyone to voice their opinions without repercussions.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Me too
Luckily, there may be only three to five of mine that might be worth saving.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Well 'Harry Lime Lives' sent his
regards to us 99% er's. I bit and actually recced some of the comments. First time I've recced in about a year. Back to zero participation and zero reading anything they have to say. After spreading the Assange is a pedophile faux accusations I refuse to even lurk for entertainment. They are not amusing, and all there are real sicko's including MB. It's now worse then any RW lunatic site.
Sorry to hear about MB
One of the few I had any real respect for (the others are all here).
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
What about MB???
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
MB just waiting for
the election to be over. FPers need to toe the line or be gone. I expect, should MB find a paid gig, he's gone from Orange State.
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Oh pulease. Where is he going to go?
Hahahaha!
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
I believe, truth be
told, half the FP leaves with him.
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They took down the pedophile diary after one of ours
went over there and wrote a protest diary.
I give them slight props for that. They went reality based like they're supposed to, even though the fantasy benefited Her Heinous.
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I think it became clear that the site
might be a party to a libel suit if they didn't.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
I don't.
Like lawyers like to say, you can't unring a bell. The damage was done and the diary already shared umpteen times. Lawyers (again) do this: ask a question even though they know they'll be overruled in a NY minute. They don't want an answer, they just want to plant doubt in the jury's mind. It was enough for the diary to be up for a day or so.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
I think it might still be all over their social media.
Did they ban the poster? Polly not. They accomplished exactly what they were supposed to. It was Steven D who wrote a rebuttal here and then went there and posted it. Several people from here went over there to rec. it. I couldn't. I'm in a corner. I posted without comment in a rant by Bonddad about Trump's taxes an article from Zero Hedge pointing out Hillary did the same thing. I got HR'd and put into a corner. I don't think I plan to ever come out.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I went, I recced - but after
I went, I recced - but after a few comments I really had to run back here to hug y'all.
I used to value that site so highly...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
The Kurds just can't catch a break.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
And yet, they keep on fighting. Remember a while ago when the
female Kurdish fighters pictures were all over the place and they were being called heroines? Not so much now, huh?
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Snipped from article from All That Is Interesting
Meet The Kurdish Women Fighting ISIS
To an ISIS militant, one of the worst things that could transpire in combat is not just being killed, but being killed by a woman. If this happens, ISIS members believe that they will go directly to hell. If hell exists, rest assured that they have been sent there by a number of Kurdish women.
http://all-that-is-interesting.com/female-isis-fighters
END OF SNIPPET FROM ARTICLE
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MY OPINION
I'd never trust this country if I were the Kurds.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
RT just aired a documentry
Of training and fighting by Kurdish women.
The Kurds in Syria are not demanding independence, they want an confederated autonomous region (Rojava) within Syria. They have a revolutionary, non-aligned ideology, similar to Cuba, Venezuela and Bolivia. Of course, their ideology probably includes nationalizing the petroleum resources and using for the benefit of their people... not to popular with the corporate police states in North America and Europe.
The revolutionary Kurds are also dealing with the issue of patriarchy and traditional gender role values. Eecchh Clinton should be slobbering over supporting the Kurds... but I fear they will be, as usual, thrown under the bus.
Here are some images: (anarchist support in Europe, Rojova schoolgirl start of school a couple days ago note Che on the cover, Rojova YPJ fighters).
Please watch the video
From the Light House.
Eye witness account of Rosava Revolution
An eyewitness describes his observations of the Rosava revolution. If you don't understand this, you really don't understand the Syrian Kurds and why us Latino revolutionary anarchists and socialists support them.
From the Light House.
Those women are badass
I know about them from an old friend from DK I lost touch with, who is an anarchist.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Smart badasses, too.
They are basing their society on the writings of Murray Bookchin, student of my favorite anarchist writer, Peter Kropotkin. This is a mighty good explanation of "communalism" by Bookchin: http://www.communalismpamphlet.net/
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Damn.
Worth watching.
The video, AND their experiment.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Viva las mujeres de Rojava!
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I've seen this movie before and I know how it ends
Ken Loach's Land and Freedom was resonating so loudly as I watched this woman speak.
It's not going to end well for them. The powers never let any successful anarchist society or brigade succeed - sure they told them D-Day was a few days before it really was so they'd rise up and be slaughtered by the Germans leaving the right wing partisans alive to take over after the wall.
Mandela similarly sold the communist members of the ANC out to the be slaughtered in the months before apartheid ended.
It is much easier to simply use the process of elimination
…to immediately understand who are allies and who is fighting whom.
All US allies are Sunni and predominantly Sunni nations.
All Shias are slated for extermination in every corner of the Middle East.
All others can be killed when convenient.
It's really not at all complicated. The US works for the Sunnis.
[Edit]
Well, there is one small complexity. Almost all muslim terrorist attacks inside the United States are done by Sunnis — US allies.
One might presume this is the case when they are false flags used to embroil the American people into expensive wars. However, Sunnis also believe, correctly, that Americans are infidels who have stepped inside their nations uninvited. For Sunnis, this is a corruption that must be punished by death.
The US has no strategic reason for being in the Middle East, except to transform it into Greater Israel. The Neocons have accepted the domestic blowback on behalf of the American people, who foot the bill.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
This post is not correct. Diary is religious ignorant.
Saddam Hussien was a sunni. Iraq has a Shite majority so we're backing the shites in Iraq. Iran is Shite as well as the interests in Russia. Assad is Shite. Turkey is sunni. ISIS is Sunni. that is how you can explain what is going on. The diary doesn't even mention the religious backrounds of the entities then claims how dumbfounded he is about what's going on. If you look at it from a religiuos point of view it all makes sense.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
It's not that we can't sell out, or backstab
a Sunni ally; if there's one thing I'm sure about, it's that the U.S. feels perfectly free to stab any of its Middle Eastern allies in the back, with the possible exceptions of Saudi Arabia and Israel.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Agreed. I don't think the MIC cares which religion is which.
They just look for excuses to make more war/money.
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Also, Hussein and Assad both are what the West often calls
secular. They aren't really secular, but what people mean by that is that they're not religious extremists, and religion is not the most important thing to them.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
True enough, but I would add
that it's not just the Shia, ALL religious minorities are slated for destruction, including Christians. Wahhabist Sunnism will be the only acceptable faith.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
those people are fucking crazy
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Kos and minions
would make good Wahhabis, there are too many similarities to ignore.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
Walk away,
we simply need to walk the fuck away from the entire area. Of course the MIC and banking industry don't make as much money if we do; therefore we can't. Fuck our politicians and the entire lot of them profiting from this greedy death machine. They need to be brought down and brought down soon!
and hanged.
Prolly too harsh the BushCo and many after need to serve time.
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Oil is not a reason?
Turkey also has troops in Iraq
Turkey also has troops in Iraq, reportedly a tank battalion plus, watching the Kurds there and prepared to intervene in the battle for Mosul if the Kurdish Peshmerga advance past the suburbs.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
Erdogan is claiming that area for Turkey so I think things are
going to get way worse for the Kurds. Heaven knows we won't come to their aid.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Hard to be allies with a sunni nation when Isis and al-qaeda
are around.
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho
Thanks for update. Russia attacked for not attacking Isis
I remember when the media was passing on State and Pentagon talking points that the Russians were not attacking ISIS. It was a constant repeated theme for about a year.
Whatever was going to happen, the Turks would in no way allow anything resembling an independent Kurdish homeland in Syria. I take it now that the Kurds will not be taking the fight into Raqqa. I wonder if neutering the Kurds will cause increase of American troops to take over the fighting for Raqqa, or will Turkey just go ahead and invade. Who else would invade, unless the plan is to simply let Isis alone.
Or let ISIS win.
We seem to be arming Al Qaeda and empowering ISIS and obstructing the forces who are actually fighting ISIS. It's consistent with our support of Saudi Arabia before, during and after 9/11.
Plot to enrich MIC versus gross incompetence or both?
Dumb may have got us into Iraq and a whole lot of other we places we shouldn't oughta be (and he did), but it takes either a true genius or an incredible moron to engineer the U.S. "policy" in the ME.
Let's assume that Barack Hussein Bummer is a genius at enriching his pals in the MIC by getting us to expend billions (or trillions) in military ordnance, oil (for military fuel), not to say anything of well over a million lives, give or take. The genius part is that he has insured our War Of Terror cannot be won. We give billions to Saudi "allies" who then arm and protect ISIS (with some assistance from Qatar, etc.) You know those folks who gave temporary employment to part-time pilots to joy ride around NYC, the Pentagon, and Ohio (the latter being an unplanned terminus). So of course we have to give billions to Israel, you know, to balance the playing fields (more properly known as Killing Fields). So Saud and Israel have this nice charade of about to attack each other, lest some mystical balance of power prevails, thereby neutralizing each other's advantages, while at the same time enriching the MIC. Genius, I tell you, sheer genius!
But wait! There's more. We support the Kurds (when it suits us), we support al-Qaeda in Syria because they are "moderate Islamic extremists" and by allowing Russia, Assad, and Turkey to slaughter each other, apparently hoping to weaken all of them just enough so that ISIS does not really get exterminated.
As an added benefit, we have the CIA fighting Proxy War with the Army to see who can slaughter the most civilians in the name of protecting Syria from both Assad and ISIS. This is war gaming on a grand scale, which will cost America only a few dozen expendables (aka soldiers).
So, if this is Barack's true genius (and not a gigantic FUBAR) what are we to make of the Mad Bomber's curious actions? No I don't mean coughing or myoclonic seizures or interminable lying (the girl just can't help herself). What is the LAST thing you want to do when planning to go to war with an "enemy" (even if we have to manufacture the enemy ourselves)? Answer: of course you increase their war-fighting ability--like letting them get 20% of our own uranium reserves. Now if that isn't insanity, then what is?
With Medusa in charge, assuming she is actually in charge of her own mind, we go full-out Ted Cruz--on Russia except that now they have enough stuff, some of it ours, to make our continent (and planet) glow in the dark for 100,000 years. Now that will be climate change that everybody can believe in--if there are bodies left still animate.
As good an analysis as I've seen
anywhere. I don't think President Obama is a genius but instead a captive of planners who are part of the legacy of Allen Dulles, CIA point man supporting fascist industrialists, using our military to destroy democracy.
I think we support the Kurds only in that they are used to fight on the ground and conveniently get killed by Turkey, to which our government's response is that, "it's complicated."
Obama may well be a captive,
but he's been a complacent and often very cooperative one.
native
There were a series of events
There were a series of events involving remarkable screw-ups on White House and Presidential/First Family security, along with such as a mysterious incident where a lady dropped off (I believe it was) a book to be taken to President Obama in the road to White House security outside the White House grounds just prior to two drunken off-duty security officers pulling up in a car and almost hitting either the White House fence or the on-duty security (can't recall which, may have been both). All this - one after another - sounded to me like not-so-subtle threats.
Then Issa threatened to take over White House security - all this just before Obama began pushing the TPP.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Nicely done, Alligator Ed.
One of my favorite recent moments in this betrayal of the American people (who are paying for the entire thing on all sides) was when the US delivered the "TOW" missiles directly to al Qaeda and al Nursa, along with US trainers, giving them more power than they ever dreamed of.
This German interview with al Nusra lays it out as clearly as I've seen in the Western press.
Much of the world finds it amazing that the American people willingly spend half of their tax revenues to bring doom upon their own heads, while positioning their corrupt leaders for escape. Hillary's victory will prove the reality of their strange suicide march.
Looking at the big picture, the self-sacrifice of Americans could be the best hope for the survival of the species as a whole.
IMAGINE if you woke up the day after a US Presidential Election and headlines around the the world blared, "The Majority of Americans Refused to Vote in US Presidential Election! What Does this Mean?"
Secretary of State Hillary
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was working for people willing to pay her (Fundation) 10s of millions when she helped that hugely profitable uranium sale went through, to the (further) detriment of America's national security and already inadequate ability to self-supply nuclear power plants; now she's working for other funders who want Russia (and a bunch of other countries) nuked, because they believe that they'll somehow survive to profit somehow from what will result in the global destruction of life on the planet, either way.
Whatever she does all comes down to any increase in Clinton money and power provided by whoever pays them at any given moment - it doesn't have to have any sane rationale other than insatiable greed and utter detachment from reality, since that bunch thinks that they can make a reality which they'd prefer real merely by wanting it so, as do some other extremely crazy-people.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Ohio?
Did you mean Pennsylvania?
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I have told the story before, but it
probably didn't attract many eyes. It might, here.
In 1992, I was flying a KC-135 out of Incirlik AB, in Turkey, for a couple of months. It was part of Operation PROVIDE COMFORT. We were "providing comfort" (in the form of airpower) to the Iraqi Kurds...because they were the good guys, and Saddam had a habit of bombing them. So I would take my crew, and my KC-135, and head out past Syria, and into Iraq, and refuel A-10s that were flying cover over the Kurds there, and refuel F-111s that we doing whatever it was that F-111s do to protect Kurds, and occasionally F-15s flying air cover. Sometimes, I would give everybody gas, and have some time to kill before they needed more gas, so we would go exploring...looking for Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat, flying up glacial valleys, goofing off on your dime...and then go back and give everybody more gas.
Once in a while, we took off, and refueled Turkish F-4s, instead. They had bombs on them. I thought that was kind of weird.
One day, after refueling the Turks the day before, I was back refueling the A-10s, and had time to kill between fill ups. So we went exploring a long valley in Turkey, at low level. "Hey, that's weird, what are those orange flash-- SHIT, they're shooting at us!". I had lots of airspeed, traded it quickly for altitude, and went back to top off the A-10s. Then I went back to Incirlik to ask my boss some questions.
So, the price, the 'rent', if you will, for us using the airbase in Turkey to protect OUR Kurds was to refuel the Turks once in a while, on their way to bombing THEIR Kurds. And it was THEIR Kurds who were shooting at me. Seems they took offense at my giving gas to their oppressors, or something.
I told my boss I didn't want to do that any more. He said he could not promise that I would not do that particular mission any more...but, coincidence or not, I never did. And when I rotated home, I quit the Air Force and learned how to fly 737s.
Long story short...we've been kind of ambivalent about our allies bombing the Kurds, for a while now.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Truth be told, "we"
don't much give a flying fuck who we bomb as long as we're bombing someone. Refueling the "enemy" one day, bombing the $h!t out of them the next... ? Just another day in Uncle Sam's Army / Air Force / Marines. HooAh.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Everything military named
is an acronym; Hua
Head
Up
Ass
Hua.
Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .
Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march
When I was in, they said "Hooyah!"
Head
Up
Your
Ass
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
A great story, Bisbonian.
I'm looking at pictures of the KC-135... that is one enormous aircraft. Just out of curiosity, is the whole thing filled with fuel, or what?
native
There are ten fuel tanks.
One in the wing near each engine (4), one in each wingtip (2), one where the forward baggage compartment would be if it were a regular 707, and one in the aft baggage (2 more), the biggest is the "center wing" tank, which can feed the engines directly, or drain to the forward for offload. Finally, there is the "upper deck" tank, in the aft fuselage, below the tail. The entire passenger area (if it were a 707) is open...seating or cargo can be put there.
Max gross weight is 322,500 lbs...more than a 757 (which is comparable in size), but less than DC-10s, and WAY less than the jumbos. A 747 can weigh right up to a million pounds.
The KC-135 can carry 202,000 pounds of fuel, or a bit less than 30,000 gallons.
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Thanks.
native
In order for the 30
Year War to continue, ISIS must continue to exist. Obama, HRC and the NeoLibs will make sure that happens. Besides... there are more "Contractors" now "fighting" this thing than GI Joes. Talking to a former GI Joe at the diner over some sausage, eggs, homefries and coffee "George" (real name) reminded me, "Wink, you keep foprgetting about the money. There's Still TONS of money to be made on G. Dubya's War on Terra... " How could I forget...
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Irony ain't what it used to be -- it's worse
There have been decades of "ironic" selling out of Kurds to keep Turkey in NATO and relatively pro-US.
This has gotten much harder since the "ironic" effort to overthrow Assad relying mainly on Sunni Jihadi fighters.
Who could have predicted that so much fighting near Turkey's border would deepen the ironies, or that Russia and Iran help to Assad's regime would turn this into a long war and an international flash-point?
The entire situation is fucking stupid
and we just need to leave. We have to leave because our forces there are like a catalyst that has to be removed for a reaction to stop when the reactants just keep getting poured into the beaker.
Syrian Kurds say U.S. betrayed them
yeppers