Don't Vote! -- they're all the same"

One problem being that they mostly seem to manage just fine without enough actual votes from actual voters these days... the other being that there won't be much point in faking elections if the TPP et al is pushed through and actual legislation is off-shored via extortion and the pretense that anyone has a right to tell a party of self-interests that they can give them some 'right' to sue the people forming the public of their countries into bankruptcy if the self-interests aren't permitted unlimited abuses (edit: and) to impose domestic law designed to produce whatever amount of money they feel might be possible to drain from those people and countries, at the cost of their health, happiness, rights, democracy, lives, economy, ecology, resources - and despite this pathological lunacy rapidly destroying life/oxygen production on the planet.

is what Chris Hedges believes we should do.

I think they would play with the numbers even if zero showed up, but that is just me. And we would NEVER be able to get zero to show up as people would go to the polls just to see the train wreck! And the MSM would portray all those folks as actual factual voters.

I have gotten to the point that I believe firmly that our system is so broken any electoral effort will be doomed. But on the other hand Bernie did so well that one could almost believe that somebody younger and a little more charismatic but just as firmly ethical might actually blow the ptb away. But then after witnessing the brutal aftermath and what they have done to Bernie since I am not so sure.

Somehow we have to get the guards at the gates to give up and go home (a la Berlin Wall and a la Edward Snowden).

She's the candidate that binds the 'publicans together, and they are bound and determined to destroy her. The House 'publicans are coming home to Trump.

Hi Lizzy, just a quick tip for you that might help.

To embed links Type in the phrase you want to be the hotlink such as:

Hillary Clinton is a serial liar!!!

Then highlight it by left clicking your mouse on one end of the text as you would normally and drag to highlight, then press ALT-L (or click the third item from the left under the subject bar, looks like a purple sphere with 2 chain links) and then paste the link in the top input field that opens, you do not need to enter anything into the other boxes as the text you want to make the hotlink will automatically be entered.

Hope this helps!

AlphaLop

community will go along with it.

I remember in the 80's or early 90's a survey conducted by the federal government asking about this and they didn't get a positive response (from the authoritarian side of the spectrum's POV at least, the troops, at that time would have resisted or refused to follow orders to act against citizens according to the survey).

Our national guard are our friends, neighbors and co-workers and by and large unlikely to go along with such commands, indeed, they have a constitutional requirement to refuse to follow unlawful orders. (not that that would likely protect them unless refusal was on too wide of a scale for them to enforce.)

I would be more concerned about a UN "Peace-Keeping" force, as they will not have the direct connection to the citizenry that our "Regular" troops do.

If it comes to the point where the government has to use force to maintain control that would serve to illustrate that it is an illegitimate government and not responding to the will of the people, further undermining it's credibility and authority.

Love em or hate em, but states like Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Florida, possibly California, New Hampshire, etc would most likely activate the national guard to preserve it's States Rights in the face of the Federal Government encroachment.

It would result in a full blown civil war, not a crackdown of government troops on citizens, but federalist vs states if the Feds tried to do an overt power grab.

I honestly think that is the least likely outcome though. I have long predicted that the most likely scenario is our federal government collapsing more in the manner of the USSR and many of the states declaring themselves to be sovereign nations.

If the Soviets couldn't maintain control of their populace with an already in place police state and a largely unarmed citizenry I don't think our Federal government will be able to so either, largely due to the long tradition of freedom and fighting against tyranny that is embedded deeply within our culture .

over 50 years...

How's that working out for us so far?

Yeah... Exactly.

A political revolution is nothing more than wishful thinking at this point.

30 years ago? Maybe it would have worked, but those days are already long past. The consolidation of wealth and power are too firmly entrenched, the rule of law has been completely discarded without even an attempt to make it look like anything other than an in your face snubbing of justice over and over, from the banking malfeasance to war crimes to voter disenfranchisement and fraud all with nobody even charged, let alone convicted and the people no longer have any real say in how our government functions, let alone the direction it takes.

We already lost the political revolution.

In order for a political revolution to have a chance you would first have to have an actual functional democracy and it has already been amply proven time and time again that we have no such thing.

All that waiting for a political revolution will accomplish is a further entrenchment of the Oligarchy.

Period.

They have made peaceful revolution impossible and we all know what happens next...

They're pretending that a transient public servant can grant a 'right' to hostile outsiders to over-ride their country's Constitutions and simply obviate domestic law (the 'law of the land' to serve the public interest) via extortion through bankrupting law-suits to be arbitrated in an off-shored court serving only the interests of the hostile outsiders, and therefore that a transient public servant can exert ownership over the people and democracy of his/her country in granting such imaginary 'rights to sue potentially profitable abuses/the illegal into domestic law'. Ir's a work-around that nonetheless remains treason.

Some (illegal and unconstitutional) aspects have already been implemented in 'trade deals' and these must be all repudiated in every case by every country on which they have been imposed. They are evidence of crime, not precedents.

instead of fixing the primaries for Clinton.

far too many times and all I have seen is that we the people are losing ground with every election. It is not my fault that the two major parties cannot find refuse to allow a better candidate to represent we the people in this election. Yes, there was a much better candidate who was not corrupt, but the corrupt powers that be in the Democratic party had to rig everything about the primary process including several elections to ensure that Clinton go the nomination.

I am 69 years old and had been heavily involved in a local Peace vigil for several years. I cannot vote the lesser of two evils when the so called lesser of two evils is a war hawk of the greatest magnitude and whose mentors are Henry Kissinger and Robert Kagan. It goes against my conscience and I refuse to be black mailed in to voting for Clinton because of Trump! I will vote my conscience this time with absolutely zero remorse and that means Jill Stein.

It is up to the candidates to give the voters a reason to vote FOR each of them. The two major candidates have failed to do just that. Jill Stein has given me a reason to vote for her. So I will do so with a very clear and liberated conscience.