Late Night Nausea: The Clinton-Trump Debate watchers live blog

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It's been a while since I hosted a live blog and despite my better judgement I am going to watch the debate tonight, and rant my butt off most likely, with everyone here. Smile

I'll be present for the duration of the debates provided I don't render myself unconscious due to repeatedly banging my head on the keyboard over the extreme idiocy and arrogance we will surely be subjected to for 90 straight minutes.

The only saving grace is maybe we will see a slow motion train wreck in action.

Here are some handy links to enable you to watch if you are so inclined:

Democracy Now - Expanded Debate Coverage

PBS Debate Coverage:
[video:https://youtu.be/EuHuzhzb1nc]

Please feel free to comment, cuss or rant to your hearts content.

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Gaia these candidates suck completely.

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Alphalop's picture

Clinton "We need to reform the police" "Police need to respect the community and the community needs to respect the police" "There are good police officers that equally want reform" "We gotta get guns out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them."

Trump:

"We need law and order if we don't have it, we don't have a country"

"I just got the endorsement of the FOP and almost every police group"

"Our inner cities, African americans and hispanics are living in hell because you walk down the street you get shot" "Thousands of shootings in Chicago, we need to stop the violence, almost 4 thousand people in Chicago have been killed since Obama"

"Stop and Frisk brought the crime in NY way down, maybe we should use that in Chicago."

Moderator "Stop and frisk was ruled unconstitutional"

Trump "You are wrong, they would have won on appeal, our mayor didn't choose to fight for it, it's still being used in many cities."

"You need more police, better community relations with the police, "

"we need law and order in the inner cities, the people most affected by this are African american and we need to do something about it"

Clinton "It's a shame Donald paints such a negative image of the African American community" Ugh, what a flop, everyone knows that watched what he said that he wasn't bagging on the communities, but the criminals that are preying on it. It' doesn't help her to dissemble like that about such an important issue.

"We have to address the discrimination in our justice system" but of course doesn't want to end the war on drugs that is largely the main tool for harassment and imprisonment of minorities.

"Our police are out-gunned" - I know a few people that may want to argue that point Sec. Clinton, unfortunately they are all dead by police that were obviously not out-gunned."

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

Not Henry Kissinger's picture

to domestic gun control.

THAT is a very scary thing.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

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eaten by a 500 error, lol!

I will pick back up from this point, thanks to all who filled in the gaps.

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I bet a bunch of people gave up at that point.

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else?

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Alphalop's picture

Sorry for the latency, site is slowing down.

Trump (missed Clinton waiting for it to load)

I was endorsed by ICE, By they Border patrol and Admirals, I will take their endorsements over those political hacks endorsing Clinton.

The hack could have been Russia, Could have been China, or some 400 pound guy sitting on his bed.

We don't know. Under Obama we lost control of things we used to have control over.

Isis is beating us at our own game, we need to get tough on cyber warfare.

The security aspects of Cyber (?) are important.

Clinton response:

I have put forth a plan to defeat Isis, it involves going after them online. (Maybe gonna sick the trolls at TOP on them?) Wink

Basically she boils down to more intervention in Iraq and then Syria.

"I will do everything possible to take out their leadership." We know, You came you saw, he died...

Moderator "we have american citizens that have been inspired to do attacks on America, How will you prevent Home Grown attacks"

Trump: We will take out ISIS, Clinton and Obama created a vacuum in Iraq, she has been talking about taking them out for a long time, but they would never have formed if we would have done it right.

We should have taken the oil, then Isis couldn't form because that is there primary source of income.

Clinton:

I hope the fact checkers are turning up their volume.

Trump was for the war (Trump Wrong!)

The only way troops could have stayed would be if the Iraqi government would have allowed for the safety of our troops. (?)

Damn, I am opening a beer. I planned on staying sober for this, what was I thinking, lol!

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

WaveyDavey's picture

You are my hero. I have to play a soothing song like The Sex Pistol's "Anarchy" or watch that bird video every fifteen minutes along with my 3rd glass of wine just to stay sane.

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The people, united, will never be defeated.

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I'm finished with 1/5 bottle of pinot noir -- on to the IPA!

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"The war on Gaza, backed by the West, is a demonstration that the West is willing to cross all lines. That it will discard any nuance of humanity. That it is willing to commit genocide" -- Moon of Alabama

Still great as ever...

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Alphalop's picture

I went to the bong 15 minutes in and the brown ales at 30, lol!

It helps to be able to laugh at this crap, because otherwise I think I would actually cry...

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"is to start drinking heavily. .."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uepFO4psgKE

Wow, they are both horrible, what an embarrassment globally.

Smoke 'em if ya got 'em~

Peace -
Murph

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powerful stuff than that.

I think this advice is probably the one I need to follow.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1dtnBUzewU]

Such an awesome book, and the movie wasn't bad either.

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Lol-
I have always enjoyed your posts here, keep up the excellent work!

This was merely generic advice, self medicate appropriately, of course...
wow, what a s___ show , it is a sad day for America. ...see him the spin works out~

Peace -
Murph

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I have put forth a plan to defeat Isis, it involves going after them online. (Maybe gonna sick the trolls at TOP on them?)

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mimi's picture

almost intellectually vulgarly, I pray to God that none of the two becomes President. I am so tired of the wars, so tired of the verbal propaganda and lies, so tired of everything. Just stop the whole shit. Find a decent person. Now I start believing in a real disaster.

Good Night.

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people who have a different way of saying it but they both want to turn America into a Corporation. #JillNotHill #HillNoJillYes #ArtillaryClinton #PomadeTrump

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The people, united, will never be defeated.

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Watching bits with sound off is interesting. Has she been looking to her left all night as a cover for her right eye wandering in that direction?

I'm not going to look more than the little bit I did near the beginning, but I would be interested if anyone else noticed how much she was looking hard left.

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Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men for the nastiest of motives will somehow work for the benefit of all."
- John Maynard Keynes

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t been able to watch the screen as much as listen to the two audio feeds.

Info overload, lol!

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My first thought is that she's reading her opening remarks from a teleprompter. Trump's opening remarks had him looking to his right. I think they both had prepared opening statements.

After those were over it seemed to me to more genuine ad lib and she didn't have any eye wandering. Unlike me who had so much eye-rolling I'm going to look like hell tomorrow.

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even if looking at a teleprompter. Her left eye did not deviate much from midline when she was looking straight ahead. But her right eye was deviated toward her nose (technically called esotropia). With her prior 6th nerve palsy as the only pathology, this should not happen. In a pure 6th nerve problem, the affected eye would be unable to deviate laterally--but the same eye would not be affected in looking to the opposite side--in other words, there should be neither weakness in forward gaze alignment nor of the affected eye looking to the opposite side of the 6th nerve problem. Hence we have a brainstem problem (although astigmatism could also cause the esotropia).

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Mild astigmatism on top of severe nearsightedness runs in the family, and none of us have eyes that act like that.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

OLinda's picture

sure seems to be for Clinton

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I wonder if this one is getting too big and breaking the site again, lol!

I missed the ability to cover a lot, but out of the last exchange to this point I have to give the lead to Donald, not by a lot, but by enough to make it obvious.

Clinton's fake laughs when she is called out is her worst "Tell", you know she isn't comfortable with the topic when she does that laugh. Trump should push harder when that happens.

Clinton trying to paint Donald as unstable that shouldn't be near the codes. Donald should have replied with, "Well, with your record I would think people should be more concerned about you having a finger on the button."

He missed a good opportunity to pound her on her militarism. If Clinton wasn't so bad at this she would be stomping him, but she misses just as many good opportunities to pound him as well.

He brings up Clinton's cavalier attitude towards Russia, that's something I agree with him on, she seems determined to antagonize Putin, probably to prop up the Neo-cons controlling the EU and scare the citizens into staying in the union.

Brings up Cash for hostages, calls the Iran deal a terrible deal.

Clinton:
Words matter, words matter when you run for president, I want insure our allies that we will honor our mutual defense treaties. I want to tell other world leaders "Our word is good"

I would rather deal with our other problems with Iran, but I wanted to put a lid on the nuclear issue first.

Trump won't tell us what he will do. Trumps secret plans only secret is he has no plan.

Are we going to lead the world with strength in accordance to our values? That's what I intended to do.

I will stand up to bullies abroad or at home.

Trump:

Hillary will tell you to go to her website to learn how to defeat Isis, but they wouldn't need to be defeated if she didn't allow them to be created.

I want to help our allies, but we cannot be the worlds policemen if they are not paying us.

All the things she is talking about could have been dealt with during the last 10 years she had power, she didn't and wont do it.

I don't think Clinton has the Stamina to be President.

Clinton: When Trump travels to 100+ countries, spends 11 hours testifying, then he can question my stamina.

Trump: Clinton has Experience, but it's all bad experience. We can't afford another 4 years of her experience.

Clinton: Spends several minutes calling Trump a misogynist. Whoever predicted she would play the victim/misogyny card you just won. Smile

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

Wait, what? It's not even a two our debate?

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Surprisingly enough Clinton didn't get asked that same question.... /s

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"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me

I'll watch Amy Goodman's take-down now.

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mimi's picture

for doing this. It's so difficult to do. The c99p community should be grateful to you. The site became slow and that makes it even more difficult.

So, now we can all go to sleep and tomorrow we will cry over the bad, bad world. Good Night.

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itself, but for all the fun I get to have chatting with all my C99P peeps at once.

I really should try to do more of these. I will do one for the next debate for sure. Smile

Thanks again to you and everyone else that participated, even if it was just to read and not chime in, it's always such a blast!

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a second will not take place. I watch Democracy Nows after discussions and just saw some clips of the protesters getting arresting. It's all so terrible.

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too.

I can't wait to walk through this thread.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

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Jill's live streamed answers and retorts the whole debate. Glad I did. Jill, not Hill.

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No one expected him to come prepared and kind of make sense.

OTOH, no one expected her to stay upright all night. LOL!

But I think more people thought he had brain damage than her. So the expectations were lower for him. It sounds to me like he won.

Thanks for the info, Alpha! I didn't have to watch because you covered it so well.

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After the first decade working in a Prison you develop an ability to listen to nonsense without going totally insane. Glad that experience can be utilized in other venues, lol!

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to get underneath it.

wonderful comment too:

No one expected him to come prepared and kind of make sense.

OTOH, no one expected her to stay upright all night. LOL!

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There's 90 minutes of my life that I'll never get back! And it's still too early to start drinking here in Malaysia. We are in such deep shit. One of these two is going to end up being president.

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“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush

That would be early indeed. How are the alcohol ban attempts there coming along?

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There is a reason that the southern border towns in Thailand are filled with bars and prostitutes! I have a friend here that does charters on his sailboat. He gave me some advice. Never have one Muslim alone on your boat, they'll drink all your alcohol. They won't drink any if there are 2 or more.

There are lots of visitors here from the Middle East who wear the full burkas. Same friend says as soon as the boat leaves the harbor, the burka comes off revealing a skimpy bikini and the couples start asking if he has alcohol, marijuana or drugs. He thinks it pretty funny!

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“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush

That's kind of hilarious. Though I guess that's how it is with repressive ideologies. Kind of fascinating. I do a music blogging think and we recently drunk blogged about music from Indonesia and felt bad about it.

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“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush

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As a woman, I thought Hillary didn't dress up enough for the formality of a Presidential debate. Come on, a red knit pantsuit? She looked more like a kindergarten teacher than a President. Is this because Huma is on vacation?

For a job interview, you always want to dress like you have the position. A debate before voters could be considered an interview. Do we want a President that meets foreign leaders in a knit pantsuit?

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But if we're going to go superficial, do we want a President who meets foreign leaders in orange skin and a bad combover?

Personally, I'd like a President with the confidence to meet foreign leaders and the rest of the public in sweatpants and a hoodie.

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Personally, I'd like a President with the confidence to meet foreign leaders and the rest of the public in sweatpants and a hoodie.

That's not really the point. By dressing down, she is thumbing her nose at the seriousness of the position. Just like by sending unprotected e-mails, she thumbed her nose at the seriousness of classified information.

Wardrobe is not superficial...it is about protocol, about first impressions, about respect, etc.

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I could not care less about wardrobe. I'm sure she does it to try to give an impression as one of the common people. She was roundly criticized for a designer jacket she wore that cost a few thou, hasn't done it since. And the pantsuit is her branded look. Men wear suits with pants, a female POTUS will wear pantsuits. I can live with it. What I really wish is that she'd wear running shoes instead of effing high heels. Set a new standard. At least wear flats, loafers or something, be comfortable. If I had to wear high heels, I'd want to hit the nuclear button too. She's seen as remote and elitist. The more she dresses up, the more she'll reinforce that impression.

But seriously. If Bern said eff it, jumped back into the race, was welcomed into the Greens with Jill as his VP, and did so wearing sweats and running shoes as a counterculture statement, would you critique his wardrobe or say "Yay!"? Or if you initially thought it said "I'm not serious," could a good rousing speech from our guy change your mind?

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I've been listening to Meyerbeer's Les Huguenots, cooking up chocolate pudding (did that while c99 was down), and trying to follow along online without having to suffer through actually watching the shitfest.

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and Jimmy Dore is kicking ass, he really is impressing me more and more. I can't wait to see Lee Camp's coverage on this as well, that should be epic!

Even Cenk was less of a Cheerleader for Clinton than he has been, I wonder if he has gotten some pushback from his subscriber base?

Whatever it is I am glad to see it, I really like him but his constant rooting for Clinton was getting a bit annoying.

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keeping us informed (those of us who cannot stomach actually listening to them), and easing the pain with some humor. Smile

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Granma's picture

You did a great job. I think Mr. Trump came out ahead on this one. I did not see or hear all of it so may be wrong. If I were Jane or Joe American, I suspect I would come away with a more favorable opinion of Trump than Clinton, even if I did not like some of the things he said.

He presented himself better. Not only did Cinton hawk her book and her website, she started mudslinging. If one is not paying much attention, isn't into policy, those things can be the deciding factor I think, particularly for busy people.

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It's always great fun doing these and I really appreciate having all of you guys to hang with during these trying times. Smile

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There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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I didn't catch the name of the poll or who was polled but the figures they had were:

Hillary 46%
Hairball 54%

These figures allegedly came from Nate Silver. If that's true, the whole Dem ticket is in for deep doo-doo. Note to DNC: it's never too late to start all over again.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cg_guXQegQ]

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