Late Night Nausea: The Clinton-Trump Debate watchers live blog
Submitted by Alphalop on Mon, 09/26/2016 - 7:19pm
Hello everybody!
It's been a while since I hosted a live blog and despite my better judgement I am going to watch the debate tonight, and rant my butt off most likely, with everyone here. 
I'll be present for the duration of the debates provided I don't render myself unconscious due to repeatedly banging my head on the keyboard over the extreme idiocy and arrogance we will surely be subjected to for 90 straight minutes.
The only saving grace is maybe we will see a slow motion train wreck in action.
Here are some handy links to enable you to watch if you are so inclined:
Democracy Now - Expanded Debate Coverage
PBS Debate Coverage:
[video:https://youtu.be/EuHuzhzb1nc]
Please feel free to comment, cuss or rant to your hearts content.
Comments
No fact checking. of course.
I've got the Way of the Bern on also
Tell me when she keel's over during the Trump onslaught.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
the war of the fact checkers is starting /nt
https://www.euronews.com/live
Oh really? Great!! eom
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what facts?
The fact's the 'checkers', like the pollsters decide are facts? What the fuck is a fact in this upside down world anyway? Oh All facts are based on a fictitious story line to begin with. Nothing that they talk about is real or worthy of consideration.The reality they represent both of them, cannot be measured by binary absurd true or false. The truth is out there mimi but it will not ever ever be uttered by the likes of The Mad Bomber or The Hairball or even Bernie. Just don't bother they are not worthy of consideration.
All check factors are working from the same factitious script. Facts according to who and to what reality? By what measure do we judge what is a fact verses what is really going down? Facts mean nothing when they forget about humanity and life and focus on lesser evils in a world gone mad. Again and again the world goes mad with their 'facts' and again and again we humans are tasked with taking these fuckers down. I do not believe these fact checkers anymore then I believe these politicians who play fast and lose with the truth. None of them have any credibility regardless of their so called facts.
what facts?
The fact's the 'checkers', like the pollsters decide are facts? What the fuck is a fact in this upside down world anyway? Oh All facts are based on a fictitious story line to begin with. Nothing that they talk about is real or worthy of consideration.The reality they represent both of them, cannot be measured by binary absurd true or false. The truth is out there mimi but it will not ever ever be uttered by the likes of The Mad Bomber or The Hairball or even Bernie. Just don't bother they are not worthy of consideration.
All check factors are working from the same factitious script. Facts according to who and to what reality? By what measure do we judge what is a fact verses what is really going down? Facts mean nothing when they forget about humanity and life and focus on lesser evils in a world gone mad. Again and again the world goes mad with their 'facts' and again and again we humans are tasked with taking these fuckers down. I do not believe these fact checkers anymore then I believe these politicians who play fast and lose with the truth. None of them have any credibility regardless of their so called facts.
Shaz, that was meant to be snark,
both saying yesterday that their own fact checker is better than the other one's. Sounded so like steaming BS, I just couldn't take it anymore.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Sorry mimi
I lost my mind entirely due to overheating before the damn thing even started. I turned the computer off and went downstairs and listened to music. I was incapable seeing snark all I could see was red and hot. I just don't understand why people think this shit is factual when the story line is bs. propaganda and the premise is nothing but a lie. I'm better today. Glad I didn't watch this so called debate as my head would have exploded.
It would have been better I hadn't watched as well
I have a yuuuge problem with Clinton's foreign policy attitudes and her "we have to fight terror and Isis" and the Russians are to blame for everythign and all that. I don't even have problems with Trump, he is so out of the leagues I can't get myself taking him seriously and I just can't imagine he would be president. I discard him before I give a thought about what he said. I they really torture us with another debate I won't watch. I lose all interest.
https://www.euronews.com/live
OPOL is my 'friend' on face book
he is convinced as I am that Trump is a put up job that is in cahoots with the Clinton's. He may win which in a way is ironic as he seems to be trying really hard to lose.That's how bad The Mad bomber is, so bad that even a fake con man lunatic might just win. Then what? Like Obama 's administration we will still get the Clinton's pulling the strings and running the show. I'm done with the absurd 'wrestlin' show. None of it passes the smell test. It's all a fake by-partisan, duopoly circus. If I let myself get involved in this miserable excuse of non real politics my brain short circuits. I can't understand why people believe any of this circus.
Trump - with the aid of
Trump - with the aid of corporate Clinton-supporting media production crew helping in this Orange Scare tactic and saving him from making the usual advertising expenditures or from having to actually campaign - certainly has presented himself as the scary Greater Evil to scare voters to Clinton, but as you say, that does seem to be backfiring, doesn't it? I wonder if he'll concede the Presidency to the Clintons for a large enough price to be quietly paid by Hill's billionaire and corporate backers expecting her to give them the world?
I do hope that OPOL's doing better these days?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
OPOL is alive, doing well
and kicking butt mightily. I think he just tired of the bs that passes for politics these days. Who's not? What a giant farce and an insult to ones intelligence this whole circus has been. Lets face it Trump is The Mad Bombers put up foil. No conceding as that would give the game at hand away but he like Obama will take his marching orders from the Democratic machine that the Clinton's own and operate. Still it's disturbing to watch every Democrat in the government cave and kiss the ring.
Thanks! The first item is
Thanks! The first item is good to hear!
You're right that conceding would give the game away, but will they care about that once the technicality has been accomplished and all law effectively off-shored into greedy and ruthless corporate/billionaire hands? The Dem nomination cheating could hardly have been more blatant, after all...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
They might pull a Bush/Gore move.
Viola! Hand it over to her heinous! PFM!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Trump is doing significantly better than I thought he would,
but I am sure those at TOP are raving at what a master debater she is.
She is dropping the ball left and right and repeating herself already.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
I'm thinking she's going to be longing for the days
of debating with Senator Sanders after tonight.
The people, united, will never be defeated.
Alphalop, you are correct
TOP is saying that Hillary is destroying him and he's floundering for answers.
You are correct that they are also saying that this is one of the best debates she has done.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
LoL! Shocker that! I guess that means I really don't need to go
there anymore (it's been months already since my last visit) because I already know what they are going to say.
If it wasn't so sad and pathetic it would be funny.
To think, that a once great site for intellectual debate has sunk to such lows? It's a damning indictment of neo-liberalism in and of itself....
What passes for original thought over there anymore could fit in a matchbox. (and that's being generous)
But being a silver lining kinda guy (or at least trying real hard) on the upside if it wouldn't have gone to such shit I probably would have never made my way over to this awesome place.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
TOP started their own brain
TOP started their own brain drain, because they couldn't deal with people like you guys any more than they could deal with the facts you insisted on forcing them to deny and ignore.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Alex, did you read the essay here yesterday about how
They were praising Bush after Michelle gave him a hug at the opening of the black museum?
It is just so Unfuckingbelievable that the many people who possibly joined DK because of the Iraq war are now praising Bush because of how bad Trump is.
You might want to take a look at the diary and read which of the long time members are now praising Bush. I was floored.
Scientists are concerned that conspiracy theories may die out if they keep coming true at the current alarming rate.
Go Team! Is for sports...not politics.
They are making such a huge mistake. A really huge mistake. One of the biggest mistakes anyone has ever made. Hillary makes the best mistakes. Trust me.
The people, united, will never be defeated.
Hillary's had so much (highly
Hillary's had so much (highly lucrative) practice making 'mistakes'...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
OMG, when will they ever learn to stop with the fantasies?
I believe Alphalop's assessment as much more objective than that crowd.
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The moderator is weak...
He is not keeping them on topic at all
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
lol, Trump can't be stopped, Hillary too, school boy fighting
lovely.
https://www.euronews.com/live
"The wealthy are gonna create tremendous jobs!"
My ass.
Reagan dumbed down
Surely everyone is tired of trickle down by now.
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Did she plug her book in response to a question?
Worst answer ever.
I thought that was so bizarre
I thought that was so bizarre. If you asked me who was the first to plug their own product? I mean really, who would have guessed Clinton?
Yes.
Obviously she hasn't read the Amazon reviews.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
That was pretty funny
She said you can buy her book at the airport.
That's why Bernie went from polling at 15
to 50, he's the only pol who doesn't sound like a cheesy car salesman.
Solidarity forever
Makes a change from '9/11!'.
Makes a change from '9/11!'.
Edited to add comment responded to, from way up there.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
So far...
Trump is winning this so far. He seems passionate and he is talking to the white middle class voter. I know he is totally a paper suite - but he is making sense, sorta. She better start clobbering or he is going win in a landslide.
Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?
exactly
>>he is talking to the
white
middle class voterand not being subtle about it
bring out pistols
ten paces turn and shoot
or
forty feet, holsters and quick draw
just please get this over
bygorry
Mon, 09/26/2016 - 8:34pm —
Mon, 09/26/2016 - 8:34pm — bygorry
We know that they can shoot at 2 feet because of the regularity with which they often hit their own - but any accuracy at a greater distance somehow seems unlikely...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Now on to Taxes....
Trump:
I'm calling for major jobs, getting rid of the taxes preventing companies from repatriating currency, reducing red tape, basically pro-capitalist dogma.
Clinton "I've a feeling I will be blamed for everything by the end of the debate" Trump "Why not?"
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Trump: and NOW you want to approve Trans Pacific Partnership
You know that if you did win, you would approve that...
Clinton: That is just not accurate, I was against it once it was finally negotiated and the terms were laid out--
Trump: you called it the gold standard, you called it the gold standard of trade deals, you said it's the finest deal you've ever seen, and then you heard what I said about it and all of a sudden you were against it.
Clinton: Well, Donald, I know you live in your own reality, but that is not the facts, the facts are I did say I hoped it would be a good deal, but when it was negotiated, which I was not responsible for, I concluded it wasn't...
T: So is it President Obama's fault? Is it President Obama's fault? Secretary, is it President Obama's fault? Because he's pushing it.
C: There are different views about what's good for our country, our economy and our leadership in the world.
I guess it's Giant Meteor then...
Australia: Residents panic as gigantic 'meteor' seen over Queensland skies
Witnesses described a 'huge ball of flame' shooting towards the Earth.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/australia-panicked-residents-report-gigantic-me...
I guess it hit the wrong continent. Maybe they were holding the map upside down?
Compensated Spokes Model for Big Poor.
Someone's getting very angy.........
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Trump has never learned to not interrupt /nt
https://www.euronews.com/live
She is sooo smug.
That preeny grin she does. Is she having the Hillbots fact-check him? And there will be only Trump who may admit there is a recession coming, maybe in time for the election.
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Audio only.
I can't stand actually looking at these losers, including the "moderator." Who still can't fact-check it seems...
Audio only.
I can't stand actually looking at these losers, including the "moderator." Who still can't fact-check it seems...
"There's nothing crazy about letting the wealthy...
..bring their money in from overseas!"
They're called tax shelters, Donald. They take money they made here, transfer it to those tax shelters, then want a tax holiday so they don't have to pay taxes.
Trump ties tax returns to Hillary Email release.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Trump: I will release my tax returns
when she releases the 33,000 e-mails that have been deleted
Being audited is a way of life for me.
I've been audited for 15 years. I have the best audits. They're huge audits. All the auditors love me.
The people, united, will never be defeated.
So, Trump not releasing his
So, Trump not releasing his tax returns is hiding something according to Clinton. What does that mean about your Wall Street transcripts.
Trump reminds me a little of Jackie Gleason.
I'm not sure what that means...
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
"To the moon, Hillary" n/t
"Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep ... Don't go back to sleep."
~Rumi
"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone
What a blabbermouth.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Pure Genius!!!
The people, united, will never be defeated.
Quickly devolving into a disgrace.
Think I'm turning off this garbage.
Trump is an insane Neoliberal/NeoCon huckster who staggeringly still believes the nonsense of deregulation and "free market" malarkey.
She is tepidly pulling out weak versions of Bernie's platforms, but it's not believable by any stretch. All of her platform-rich performance so far can be eviscerated for the hypocrisy and holes in her proclamations.
This is some sorry stuff.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
HRC's emails against Trump's tax returns -
I mean they are better than all those angry c99p folks. ... so far they make me laugh.
There is something he (Trump) is hiding ...
HRC: Oh she made a mistake with hiding her emails...
Trump: that's more than a mistake.
You can't complain they are good in fighting each other.
Sigh. Trump is right on one thing; "Our country is a mess". Yes, it is.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Oh god, "Trumped up trickle down" line again...
You can tell she's trying to push a meme...
Wanna give odds on how many of the MSM spokesholes will be regurgitating variations on that tomorrow?
Trump: "We are in a bubble right now, worst recovery since the depression, fed is keeping interest rates low to preserve the bubble."
He was spot on on the bubble I think.
Now on to Tax Returns.
Trump " I don't mind releasing, but I am under a routine audit, but go to the federal election site and you can see a 100+ page report on my finances."
"We are being ripped off by every country in the world" brings up 800 billion a year trade deficit. That's gonna work,,
"I will release my tax returns the day Clinton releases the 33k emails despite my attorneys advice." Got a big response from the audience
Clinton dodges email for a bit, then goes back to his taxes saying "Maybe he isn't as rich or charitable as he claims to be." etc, etc. Speculating about hidden things, not a smart move with all the stuff Clinton has been hiding.
Classic projection.
Moderator calls her back to emails, "I made a mistake, I take responsibility for that."
Trump "That wasn't a mistake, that was purposely done, your staff taking the fifth" He's kicking her ass, to put it bluntly.
None of the things she is calling him out for are any of the reasons most people don't like him.
"It's about time this country has someone running it that has some idea about money" "Our airports are like a third world country, we owe 20 trillion dollars, we are in a mess, we spent 6 trillion in the middle east, we could have rebuilt our country twice." "We need new roads, hospitals, etc, because your ideas have squandered our money" - Trump
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Everytime he says 'politicians'...
Hillary grimaces.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
I think Trump just admitted he doesn't pay taxes
"It would be squandered, too." ...if he did...
Thanks, alphalop! I finally got my diary up, so am joining in
now and reading fast to catch up!
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Clinton finally brings up an attack route that may work
on his filing for bankruptcy/screwing his vendors.
She mentions his 6 bankruptcies, says there isn't a direct transfer of skills between business and government.
She could have went so many effective directions with this one, but again she can't close the deal.
She is a HORRIBLE debater.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
She was a lousy debater in the primaries, too
I liked Trump response to
I liked Trump response to Hillary re: bankruptcy. I was using the legal avenues available to me, and if you don't like it, then when you [were senator] you should have changed the law.
Trump is better prepared than Hillary expected, because he re-zings all her zingers and then she has nothing to say after that.
Friend was through one bottle after only 11 minutes
Can't turn it off BC partner works in government. Poor sod.
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
I hope it was beer!
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Still no fact checks from the "moderator"
Gawd...
I can't stand Donald's sniffing. Does he have a a coke habit?
Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?
Either that or Hillary gave him pneumonia.
The people, united, will never be defeated.
It's a good thing Trump wasn't this articulate earlier in the
campaign or Clinton would be even further behind in the polls.
He is coming off very well, but then again it could be due to comparing it to his previous statements and demeanor.
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
And as compared to Hillary...
And as compared to Hillary...
Glad I came in late here, for an update on what I didn't miss of the 'debate', although you guys were amusing and intelligent enough to make up for the corporate candidates.
I'm guessing Jill was harried around the universe after being escorted away from the debate area in order to prevent her doing anything interesting to show up the two-party trade-off candidates? Doesn't seem to be any coverage of anything here...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
She's all platitudes...
No specifics.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
So is he...
The whole thing is a train wreck.
Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?
OK I'm ready.
I'm going to view this at two removes: 1) liveblog, not actually having to look at them, and 2) pinot noir in hand.
The ruling classes need an extra party to make the rest of us feel as if we participate in democracy. That's what the Democrats are for. They make the US more durable than the Soviet Union was.
Cass, We really need to get a C99P meetup organized.
I know a great little island with cabins (No electricity, but screened porches) only accessible by boat that are crazy cheap and I can play Ferryman. It's not a huge boat, so it may take several trips, but it would be worth it, besides, gives us more chance to see dolphins on the way.
I'm thinking sometime in, oh say November? that a bunch of us are going to need to drink and blow off steam regardless of who wins, lol!
I'll bring the bong, beer and greens....
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Oh hell yeah.
I was gonna rent a beach house and suggest the same thing, but trying to buy a house right now, so it's not a good time for me to spend extra money.
Let's do it.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Whats very informative
is Bernie tweeting out in real time. His comments on Trump are spot on and way more rhetorically effective than her heinous.
https://twitter.com/berniesanders
Steins feed is more active
And takes them both to task.
https://mobile.twitter.com/drjillstein
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
I was tweeting back at him for a while. Then it just got
depressing.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Whats very informative
sorry for doubling up
I've been watching
HRC looks condescending, rolling her eyes at him.. And looks to me as though she started mud slinging.
Does she have any other look?
Condescending, eye rolling and heavy duty eye rolling
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
I swear, I rec'd all these comments up before and now my
uprates disappeared. Things are running slow too. Is it all the people on for the live blog or are we about to go down?
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This site very often makes my
This site very often makes my recs disappear and it usually takes ages for pages to change...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Too bad they can't take ten paces then turn...
Not watching as I'd rather eat a bowl of glass then watch this shitfest.
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
Oh my, our police doesn't know what it is doing, like they are
not doing enough with regards to law and order, says Trump.
Bad people have guns. Is Trump now against hand guns? Since when?
Oh, Trump, if it wouldn't be so awful, just crack me up with his logic.
https://www.euronews.com/live
Neither of them will admit the double standard
Police who are highly trained are allowed to panic and make 'mistakes' but citizens who have NO training are expected to keep a cool head while there's a gun pointed at them.
The people, united, will never be defeated.
Excellent point. People are learning to de-escalate the
police "professionals" when it should be the other way around.
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She's hammering him on how he cheats workers/employees.
But he's nowhere. Why isn't he hammering her on how the Clintons defrauded Haiti, or the Clinton Foundation's other massive holes of quid pro quo with foreign political donors, or her Wall St speeches?
He's blowing some huge opportunities that she's just dropping in his lap. Likes too much to talk about himself. What a narcissistic idiot.
There's so much on the table to eviscerate her. But he keeps going round and round about his phantom business prowess and such ridiculous empty promises.
I'm trying to get out of this hellhole and keep getting sucked it. Ugh. So dispiriting.
Now he's onto the the RW tough guy BS "Law & Order" pander. She's so full of shit, and he's such a goon. This overt fascist shit from Trump ain't cool. While she's the embodiment of Inverted Totalitarianism, a corporate coup d'etat.
Sad, sad state of affairs.
Where's the remote. Maybe I'll listen to TYT's overview later. Then again, maybe not.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:
THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"
- Kurt Vonnegut
He asked permission to call her Secrtary Clinton.
She calls him Donald, disrespectful behavior from her. Not the way to win.
BTW, Hillary Clinton looks very healthy to me.... so
Mr. Alligator what kind of meds is she on? Or is she just naturally healthy?
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