Keith Scott Shooting - Did Charlotte Cops plant the gun they claim he had?
As many of you are well aware, Keith Scott, a father of seven was shot and killed by Charlotte police on September 20, 2016.
The police claimed that Mr. Scott was holding a gun when he got out of his car, refused their orders to drop the alleged handgun, and had to be shot because he posed "an imminent, deadly threat" to them. The family has denied the claim that Scott was holding a gun. Charlotte Police Chief Putney has refused to release police video of the incident to the public, claiming he cannot do so under state law, though the ACLU has challenged his position. Chief Putney also claims that he has no evidence to show the shooting was unjustified, even though ...
[T]he videos he has seen don't show "absolute, definitive, visual evidence" that Scott pointed a gun at the officers.
Justin Bamberg, an attorney for the Scott family who also watched the police videos, said they fail to prove that he was armed. Scott can be seen in the video calmly walking back after he was approached by police, according to Bamberg.
"It is impossible to discern from the videos what, if anything, Mr. Scott is holding in his hands," he said in a statement.
An image of Mr Scott lying on the ground surrounded by police has been circulating on social media, which supporters of the police have claimed shows a handgun lying at the feet of Mr. Scott. Here is that image as posted on the website of The Charlotte Observer:
The image is blurred and not definitive in my mind, but Chief Putney himself has relied on this image to support his claim there was a gun at the scene of Scott's killing:
Putney said that the image, which police acquired through routine monitoring of social media, appeared to be genuine and un-retouched. It shows what appears to be a handgun on the pavement at Scott’s feet.
One thing I wish to point out. This image, which purports to show a gun a Keith Scott's feet, was taken after police had established a perimeter around the "crime scene" as you can can clearly see yellow police tape in the foreground between whoever took the picture and the police and Mr. Scott's body. It is unclear how much time has passed since Scott was shot and killed and this image was taken, but it seems apparent that this is not a picture of the scene.
Yesterday, the family of Mr. Scott released video from his wife's mobile phone, which was taken just prior to and after the shooting. It's a harrowing and frankly disturbing video, which can be viewed at NPR, at NBC and other news sites online, including the New York Times:
Ms. Scott left their apartment to bring Mr. Scott a cellphone charger, the lawyers said, when she saw the officers around him and began recording the scene on her phone.
The Police Department has said that officers saw Mr. Scott, who was black, standing beside his S.U.V. holding a handgun, then saw him get into the vehicle.
The video, which lasts 2 minutes 12 seconds, begins with shaking images of grass and the voice, apparently that of an officer, shouting, “Hands up!”
Immediately, Ms. Scott said, “Don’t shoot him,” and began walking closer to the officers and Mr. Scott’s vehicle. “Don’t shoot him. He has no weapon. He has no weapon. Don’t shoot him.”
An officer can then be heard yelling: “Gun. Gun. Drop the gun.” A police S.U.V. with lights flashing arrived, partly obscuring Ms. Scott’s view, and a uniformed officer got out. From that point, there are five officers, most of whom appeared to be wearing body armor over plain clothes, around Mr. Scott.
“Don’t shoot him, don’t shoot him,” Ms. Scott pleaded, her voice becoming louder and more anxious. “He didn’t do anything.”
Officers continued to yell “drop the gun” or some variation of it — at least 12 times in 38 seconds.
“He doesn’t have a gun,” Ms. Scott said. “He has a T.B.I.” — an abbreviation for a traumatic brain injury the lawyers said Mr. Scott sustained in a motorcycle accident in November. “He’s not going to do anything to you guys. He just took his medicine.”
“Drop the gun,” an officer screamed again as Ms. Scott tried to explain her husband’s condition. The officer then said he needed to get a baton.
“Keith don’t let them break the windows. Come on out the car,” Ms. Scott said, as the video showed an officer approaching Mr. Scott’s vehicle.
What happens next is that you hear gunshots being fired at the 50 second mark of the video (as posted at NPR). Ms. Scott moved toward the death scene, and continues recording. Within seconds her video shows Mr. Scott on the ground surrounded by what appears to be four police officers, two of whom are bending over his body. It was at this point I stopped the video and took a screenshot at the 1:14 point, 24 seconds after you hear the gun shots that killed Keith Scott, her husband. Here is the image I captured as shown by Ms. Scott's cell phone:
Please take note that this image was taken moments after Keith Scott was gunned down, and before the Charlotte-Mecklenberg Police (CMPD) had secured the scene. Do you see anything that looks like a gun lying at Mr. Scott's feet? I do not. There is no image of any object, blurred or not, at Mr. Scott's feet, much less one that resembles a gun.
Now compare it again with the image taken after the scene was secured and yellow tape put up that has circulated widely on social media, and which police sympathizers have relied upon to prove Scott had a gun.
Now some have claimed that the angle of the two images, the one in Ms. Scott's video and the later image that shows the secured scene, are different, and that the officer wearing a red shirt was actually standing over the gun to protect it.
Jim Cavanaugh, a retired ATF agent, told MSNBC later on Friday that it seemed likely to him that the officer in the red shirt was intentionally standing right over the handgun to guard it.
So I took another screen capture from Ms. Scott's video at the 1:30 mark which gives the viewer a good look at where the officer in red was standing. Here it is:
Again I see no gun or other object between the legs of the officer in red, a mere 40 seconds after the shooting. Between 1:30 and 1:32 of Ms. Scott's video, the officer in red takes a step toward Keith Scott's body with his right foot. Look carefully. I see no gun or other object revealed to have been hidden between his feet after he makes that movement. At other times both before the 1:30 mark and after it, the same officer makes various movements away from that "standing position" that do not appear to support any theory that he was standing over the gun to protect it.
I've watched the video countless times now. Why the gun would need protection in any case, when so many officers were at the scene, is beyond me. I would think they would avoid standing near the weapon that supports their contention Keith Scott was holding a handgun when he was killed by one of their officers so as not to contaminate the scene. But what do I know?
To be honest, these two conflicting images of the scene, one before the yellow tape went up and one after, suggest to me two possibilities besides the official police narrative. Either the image purportedly made by a witness that is circulating on social media was faked or the gun was planted there by the police after the scene was secured and Ms. Scott no longer had access to record.
Now the CMPD and Chief Putney could help clear this up by releasing the videos they have of the officers' encounter with Keith Scott and by releasing any photographs of this alleged gun at the scene. Because if there was a gun at the scene, we know that the police forensics team took photographs of it, photographs that would be time stamped and dated, and which would show the exact position of the gun police claimed that Mr. Scott was "brandishing" at them, thus justifying the officer who fired his weapon at Keith Scott, killing him. To date however, they have refused to do so. Make of that what you will.

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TO HappyinNM: Bookies routinely sewed the pockets of their
clothes shut so cops could not walk up to them, place a pistol in a suit jacket pocket, and arrest them for carrying a concealed weapon. This was in New York City in the teens and 20's of the 20th century. The gamblers and bookmakers paid for a bodyguard to follow them around and carry the gun.
I got this from the biography of Arnold Rothstein.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Maybe
They do that cause the democratically elected government of "palastine" condones suicide bombings. Could it be?
I really hate the fact that our police officers get
trained by the IDF. That is disgusting. What's worse is that the anti-defamation league, who used to be heroes of mine, helped set up the initial junkets.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
That explains it...
That explains it...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
You can see the body cam
You can see the body cam footage at Raw Story
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/watch-charlotte-police-release-body-came...
Sorry I don't know how to embed.
Seems to me the one cop asks the other as the kneel over the moaning Keith Scott, "Are you on ?". What a strange question to ask after shooting some one, likely to death.
Other than that, the video isn't very helpful.
Omg! Omfg! Cop cam. Omfg :'(
He has blood on his hands as they are cuffing him and repeating their drill words as if he's some practice dummy or there weren't live rounds used. Like this was a training exercise.
I'm going to be sick. I just I don't know I can't do this anymore. It's literally sickening!
Deja--
after I spent a couple of months in the summer of 2014 watching footage uploaded from Palestinians' cell phones of the Gaza bombing, I realized I had to stop.
Don't shred your psyche watching. Our misery doesn't help the people under the gun. It's not like you're insulating yourself from the facts.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Thank you, CStS
I had to stop last night.
And then to have a shill come in and shit all over the place today, shitting on the victims. That seriously pissed me off!
I felt like I was the only one seeing it, and felt alone, but JtC rode up on his horse, wearing his IT armor. Slightly better now the shit slinger is banned.
Thank you. Just wish none of these incidents had ever happened.
So do I.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Can't watch it because Flash
Can't watch it because Flash failed to load. Not using Flash saves me a lot of annoyance, so it's worth it, usually. But it seems evident that he's asking if he'll go along with the cover-up.
If they've had the Israeli training, they've been trained to do this to American citizens, just that casually and routinely. Godwin has run home, screaming.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Just a random comment
Just a random comment, but the two recent shootings of black people who were not doing anything have one fact in common. Something like 4-5 police officers on the scene before shots fired. In Oklahoma there was a helicopter. Yet the defense will be a claim that the officers were afraid of the victim.
I never see more than one or two police unless I'm at a parade or some kind of special event.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
Cold blooded murder and planted gun. Proved.
I still framed the footage and ascertained the following:
1. Mr. Scott was backing away with his hands at his sides and there is no gun in his hand.
2. He was shot down in cold blood. Here is what guns look like in this low res video.
3, The red cop pulls a gun out of his side back pocket and hands it to a cop whose arm we see at the left. Slow motion the gun is quite clear
From the Light House.
Thanks! I wonder what did
Thanks! I wonder what did drop in the other video? Probably something unrelated that just dropped, I suppose, and obviously, the more evidence is messed up at their crime scenes, the better.
The victim could have saved the cops so much trouble if he'd only had the smarts to be a belligerent drunken White guy with an Uzi - those they can just talk down... but a Black guy armed with a book? Ooooooh, no!
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Charlotte Police Release Camera Footage of Shooting
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/breaking-police-release-footage-keith-s...
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
Hold up
If he refused to drop the gun it's absolutely a reason to shoot.
Good riddance. You won't be missed, asshole!
And there was no gun, but your cop shill ass knows that.
Go find another place to spread your propaganda, because we ain't buying, you racist asshole. Maybe you'll get a special, fancy hood from your handlers for being banned.
Cops from the military
Albuquerque, New Mexico cops are quick to pull the trigger. Recently cops killed a mentally disturbed man. They have been charged, but I doubt that they will be found guilty. When did cop-Friendly become a stormtrooper?
Officer Friendly was never a friend to the underclass
S/he is just there to keep them "in their place" and protect the property of the monied classes, by any means necessary. Modern guns, and the proliferation of them, make gun violence easier and much more likely - that's the major change. That and citizen video to expose the police brutality.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
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second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, then ask questions later.
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Peace
Question For Those Of You Who Watch The Video Footage:
Do any of the cops take cover? Like ever?
I don't watch the films. I go through the other evidence, but I can't bring myself to watch the films.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
As long as they're shooting
As long as they're shooting at unarmed people, I don't think they bother. I don't recall noticing this in any video I've seen, (quite often they seem to be shooting at people walking/running away and obviously having no gun) but while I do believe that we have to be witnesses to what's happening, and I do try, I very often can't face the videos either. And it gets worse/harder, the more you see. No idea how people live with this, waiting for it to get them, their family, friends, neighbours, like living in a war zone the enemies have occupied...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
That Is a Serious Point, Isn't It? And You Went Right There!
I think the fact that none of them take cover is an important point.
I can see charging forward in tight quarters. I can see charging forward after a group plan for a methodical assault.
But I can't see sprinting forward and standing in the middle of the street when a gun "appears" out of nowhere.
Why are the police not taking cover if they fear for their lives? I mean, at least moving towards cover while they are firing. Ducking, getting small, etc.
All the videos I see (stills from video) have the police in an aggressive posture out in the open. Do you really do that if you're surprised and actually see a GUN?
I think this might be a powerful argument against the "fearing life and limb" response.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
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