Basket of Deplorables and Liberal Elitism
It recently occurred to me that I've seen this before.
Hillary's "basket of deplorables" comment is enlightening.
First of all, calling everyone who opposes you ignorant racists is the same failed strategy that the anti-Brexit people used.
Because of how generally satisfied they are with their lot, they regard with affection and respect the internationalist institutions that safeguard the West’s prevailing order: the World Bank and IMF, NATO and the West’s military forces, the Federal Reserve, Wall Street, the EU. While they express some piecemeal criticisms of each, they literally cannot comprehend how anyone would be fundamentally disillusioned by and angry with these institutions, let alone want to break from them. They are far removed from the suffering that causes those anti-establishment sentiments. So they search and search in vain for some rationale that could explain something like Brexit — or the establishment-condemning movements on the right and left — and can find only one way to process it: These people are not motivated by any legitimate grievances or economic suffering, but instead they are just broken, ungrateful, immoral, hateful, racist, and ignorant.
That's not to say that xenophobia wasn't a significant part of the Brexit movement (it was), and that it isn't a significant part of Trump's supporters (it is), but making it all about that is intellectually dishonest.
It reminds me of how Republicans disregarded the huge anti-war demonstrations before the invasion of Iraq because a minority of the protesters were radical socialists. Like liberals today, they didn't want to even consider that the other side might have legitimate grievances, so they looked for an excuse to dismiss them, and if you want to look hard enough you'll find one.
We know for a fact that most pro-Brexit voters didn't vote that way for reasons of racism, but the liberal elite doesn't want to hear it.
Instead, the liberal establishment has a hissy fit.
CNN's Christiane Amanpour linked the vote to xenophobia five times during her Brexit coverage late Thursday evening and early Friday morning.
"We must learn from brexit: Elderly xenophobes will lie to pollsters to hide their racist views, then vote for destructive policies anyway," said blogger Anil Dash.
Which just shows that the liberal elite aren't prepared to learn anything.
Consider this South Park episode.
Even I think it's kind of funny. However, the subject isn't funny at all.
If you lose your job to immigrants because they will work for peanuts, that's a big deal. You have a right to be pissed.
Pointing fingers and laughing at the poor slobs who lost their jobs is pure elitism.
One thing that Christiane Amanpour and the liberal establishment should have learned from Brexit is that a news media united in condemnation and ridicule of a segment of society doesn't achieve anything but harden their resistance as long as their grievances are real.
It didn't work with Brexit, and it's not working against Trump supporters.
You interviewed Chris [Hayes] about Brexit and I just want to submit to you that the mistake the U.K. media and U.K. elites made with Brexit is the exact same one that the U.S. media and U.S. elites are making about Trump. U.K. elites were uniform, uniform, in their contempt for the Brexit case, other than the right-wing Murdochian tabloids. They all sat on Twitter all day long, from the left to the right, and all reinforced each other about how smart and how sophisticated they were in scorning and [being snide] about UKIP and Boris Johnson and all of the Brexit leaders, and they were convinced that they had made their case. Everyone they were talking to—which is themselves—agreed with them. It was constant reinforcement, and anyone who raised even a peep of dissent or questioned the claims they were making was instantly castigated as somebody who was endangering the future of the U.K. because they were endorsing—or at least impeding—the effort to stop Brexit. This is what’s happening now.
Do you think the people voting for Donald Trump because they feel their economic future has been destroyed, or because they are racist, or because they feel fear of immigrants and hate the U.S. elite structure and want Trump to go and blow it up, give the slightest shit about Ukraine, that Trump is some kind of agent of Putin? They don’t! Just like the Brexit supporters. The U.K. media tried the same thing, telling the Brexit advocates that they were playing into Putin’s hands, that Putin wanted the U.K. out of the EU to weaken both. They didn’t care about that. That didn’t drive them. Nobody who listened to Trump could think that was genuinely a treasonous request for the Russians to go and cyberattack the U.S. government.
I don't want a President Trump. I think he'd be a horrific president.
But unless the liberal establishment learns just a tiny bit of humility, and how to listen to people they don't agree with rather than just judge them, that is exactly what is going to happen.
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it reminds me
of the "whisper" campaign against sanders supporters, and how the clinton people swore with a tear in their eye and a hand on their heart that the people doing the "racimisogynism othering" were just a few bad apples and golly certainly not anything to do with the campaign.
and then here we go. lol.
gotta keep track of the bullshit you spew.
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Just took a look at TOP
On the rec'd list is Fuck it. Let Hitler win and NO, let's not let Hitler win.
Do you think if I typed a comment of "Maybe we should consider why people are supporting Trump" that it would go over well?
Since they've gone there, another way of looking at it is "Would yelling 'Racists! Shame!' in 1933 Germany have accomplished anything?"
What would have accomplished something is addressing the economic depression that drove so many to voting for Hitler.
What would accomplish something is addressing the economic depression that has driven so many to voting for Trump.
accomplish what's needed
The prescription is the same in both cases, and only the government of the United States of America can do it:
Impose some fucking regulatory control on the Wall Street Casinos!
It was the Great Crash of 1929 (with a little help from the aftermath of World War I) which put Herr Hitler on the map; it's the virtually jobless "recovery" of the Obama Administration which is doing the same for Herr Drumpf.
We really need to get some control over those Cat-damned casinos in New York City.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
But Obama plays with numbers
contending that tens of millions of Americans have "voluntarily left the workforce" so that we are back to full employment!
IOW, pretty much "What starving peasants? I don't see them! Forget the cake, Marie. there's no one to feed it too! So let's eat all the bread AND the cake."
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
that comment would go over just about as well as
commenting, circa september 15th, 2001, "Maybe we should consider why people are flying jetliners into our skyscrapers."
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
No it's not.
It would be the same as saying "Why are people made that someone flew jetliners into our skyscrapers. They must be islamophobe racists to be angry at that."
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
No, UntimelyRippd had it right
Given that your counterexample bears no resemblance
in its logical or syntactic structure to that of the original and of my response, I'm mystified as to what parallel is supposed to exist.
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
So, the Shillbots over on Dead State are concerned
suddenly.
Poll numbers need extra massaging to make them happy?
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
There is a sudden lack of hubris at the GOS
There is still no shame or humility, but a distinct lack of touchdown celebrations.
Too bad that couldn't have turned it down before they fell behind in the polls.
TPTB still have a month and a half to fix the election.
Maybe these polls are just cover to give the illusion that there is an election race.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Perhaps they need to unskew the polls.
Because we all know that they are in favor of "unskewing" when their candidate is down, but condemn "unskewing" when their candidate is up. So unskewing is double plus good again.
Geez, you'd think that the fervor over there for Clinton or any other mook running as a Democrat that they own stock in the Democrat party or something. You just want to say, "Guys, Clinton wouldn't piss in your mouth if your stomach were on fire." They're like teenagers and Clinton/Kaine is their boy band or something.
lol
orangeperboly? you'd be burnt at the stake asking about considering trump.
i bought the trump spin early, i still think he's an entitled idiot, but hitler? nah. i've said it before, probably many times, but Clinton and The Brocksters have been painting trump as every type of -ist that is vaguely plausible since the beginning of his rise through the republican primary. is every republican that talks about immigration a racist? at one point i'd have said "hell yeah!" but one thing this election has done is open my eyes to the way such identity politics can be used to manipulate people emotionally and politically, especially in groups... and i don't just buy it out of hand anymore.
are there racist republicans? well yah. are they any more racist than people trying to claim that everyone that doesn't vote for clinton is a white racist? i don't see a lot of difference between outright social racism and using that racism to try to force people to vote a certain way. it's the same "basket of bullshit", to turn a phrase.
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The Clintonistas dialed it up to eleven way too early.
Now nobody is really listening.
Yep.
And if you've noticed, Trump has dialed it down since Labor Day, when regular, sensible* people start paying attention to the race. So now there's this mismatch between Clinton's hair-on-fire hyperbole and the Donald Trump they see on TV. So it looks like just double the usual "zOMG! Vote Democrat or we all die!" nonsense we get every election.**
* I'm being sincere. Given the state of politics in our country, it is most sensible (at least at the federal level) to live your life without worry about the politicians you can't afford to buy.
** I personally think Trump poses little threat to our country. Much of this nonsense is coming from the elite political establishment who are worried that us proles dared to select a major party nominee from outside their hallowed circles.
Actualy I have typed just such a comment over at GOS
In fact several times over the last few months. Here's one from early August:
No big surprise they've all been pretty much ignored. It's a bit like shouting into the big windy smugness that's the norm over there.
Don't forget the "middle finger" effect
I know several Trump supporters, and some of them are voting for him as a way to give the finger to the establishment. That's all; just an act of defiance against our "betters." I've got some sympathy for that position, but I think voting for Stein or Johnson as a better way to give the finger.
That's Iowa
in a nutshell. Voted 7 out of the past 8 elections dem, voted for Obama twice, it's going 55 for Trump now.
Solidarity forever
It didn't go over well when I brought it up
during the primaries, and that was last winter. I doubt the idea that anybody that doesn't support Hier Heinous undyingly could ever have a valid point will ever go over well there now.
I admit that I will sometimes oversimplify and categorize a group. Pretty much everyone does it at one point or another. But at least I try to understand the points various groups are trying to make. Like MRAs, for example. Yeah, they say a lot of utter bullshit, but they do make some good points on cases of women sexually harrassing/assaulting/raping men, or women being the domestic abuser, in general aren't taken as seriously as the reverse scenarios.
That is NEVER mentioned
It's amazing how the economic issues in pre-war Germany that led to the rise of Hitler are NEVER mentioned in all these sloppy liberal Trump=Hitler comparisons. There's a lesson they can learn from that history that they are doing their very best NOT to learn. Germany was humiliated and broken economically. People don't tend to respond well to that.
If you were willing to look honestly at that situation, just about the last thing you'd do is push global rule by corporations right now and then insult the people most likely to rebel against it that you have already armed, and who already provide the base for the military and the police.
Likewise, it's been known for a long time that having a huge demographic pool of frustrated young men is almost guaranteed to lead to uprisings. But sure, let's deprive them of jobs, load them down with crushing debt, load down their prospective marital partners with crushing debt (so household formation and its attendant satisfaction, stability and security -- particularly in a country designed for it -- is even more difficult to achieve), blatantly cheat them out of a candidate that reflects their policy preferences, and insult them while you're doing it.
The classic solution to too many young men is to send them to war. But I don't' think that's going to work for Hillary, because she's been busying herself insulting them. I mean, we know she's going to try to execute that solution (and all those pesky socialist young women, too!), but it's going to be ugly. Who other than the 10% and some deluded elderly folks will consider her legitimate?
And while I'm complaining about ahistorical bullshit, can I take a moment to point out that Hillary is the more fascist candidate, down to Stronger Together echoing the fasces?
Everything in her messaging is projection. Everything. And watching these clueless idiots building a giant pile of dried tinder and then start playing with matches, while thinking they're so damn smart, educated and meritorious is maddening, on a daily basis.
Excellent comment Jay!! n/t
I believe they *want* an expanded race war.
Maybe if they talk about the race war loud enough, they can replace the class war with an expanded version of it.
That seems to be the MO.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
A.B.C.= Anybody But Clintons
If I had to choose, I would vote for Trump w-a-a-a-y before I'd vote for the Clintons ( remember, it's both of them) - but I don't have to choose, can vote just down ballot, if I bother to vote.
Believe Clintons are much more dangerous than Trump. Find it laughable, Her Heinious's sycophants pick apart every word Trump uses, why bother, it's as meaningless as what Clinton says. Just words. Empty. Saying anything the demographic they're trying to get to vote for them wants to hear. Always has been, always will be. democrats having a hissy fit, cuz he's better at it then they are.
The Tundra Tart said it best: "how's that hopey changey thing workin' for ya'?" Not well.
I think it's going to be worse than that
T-Rump is reportedly leading in ME-2 (add 1 point), and may be able to pick off Iowa, Nevada, and possibly Virginia (add 6, 6, and 13 points respectively.
Her may be able to hang onto PA by the skin of Her teeth, but it may not do her much good.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
So do I
I'm in very-red-anyway north Florida. I don't think Florida is going to swing left this time, either. Depends on turnout in the cities, and it will also depend on who the better cheater is.
I agree about Florida
The Interstate 4 corridor is what carried Obama in Florida. The I-4 corridor contains two of the three largest universities (University of Central Florida and University of South Florida) in the state. I really doubt that Clinton can carry the I-4 corridor by enough to overcome Trump in Florida. The millennials have been hit very hard by the stay the course policies of Obama and Clinton is more of the same. Many will probably vote third party or not at all. I fully expect Trump to carry Florida.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Hey! Alachua County went for Obama!
Don't ignore my tiny blue dot!
LOL
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
LOL, Tallahassee
is also a blue dot in a sea of red too!
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
Still? That's amazing--
given how long the Repubs have run the state
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
That has always surprised me
Tallahassee isn't all that big, but I always figured the mass quantities of college students tended to skew it blue.
Well, Rick Scott gave state employees
the big middle finger when he disbanded Dept of Community Affairs which cost about 400 employees their jobs, many of whom were near retirement. DCA was the agency charged with administering the Florida Growth Management Act. which has been watered down to a toothless tiger. The Growth Management Act was a big tool for ensuring protection of the most threatened wetlands, aquifers, and estuaries in Florida.
Most state workers have not had a cost of living raise in years. Other long time employees were fired by Scott when he first came on board, including one who had been employee of the year for their department. The Republican legislature hates state employees, so most are not exactly happy with Republicans. But sadly Tallahassee has gotten a lighter blue over the years than it used to be.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
My part
of North Florida is covered with Trump signs. Clinton may win Alachua County, but the rest of North Florida will be a sea of red.
Um--Hill is at 5-and-10 here
Meaning, I've seen 5 yard signs and 10 bumper stickers. Total. Since March.
I don't think things are going well here.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Portland Oregon
this election is eerie. After massively going for Bernie in the primary there are not any yard signs. I saw one Hillary sign last week in front of a huge urban Mc Mansion on a walk the other day. The silence about politics other then the local city government id deafening. This is a pretty liberal city and solidly Democratic and indie but if the Dems. think that they can bully and intimidate people into voting for The Mad Bomber their wrong. The burbs may go for her but not Portland or the rural areas.
Now that you mention it, shaharazade,
I'm not seeing any signs in Albuquerque, either. No on cars, in yards, nowhere! There are a few Gary Johnson signs in my rural community (solidly red, but obviously not for Herr Drumpf). That's all I'm seeing. Great observation!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
Here's a strange observation
I ride my bike around SE Portland and saw 15 Black lives Matter yard signs. So cries of racism are not working in my neighborhood. This is not a black neighborhood it's traditionally liberal white and degrees of middle class. It is however being gentrified with a vengeance by the Democratic city government/ banksters/developers/realtors (mostly out of state and global investors.) The cost of housing and living has skyrocketing and is pissing off even the so called Dem. moderate centrist's. It hard to cook up fear of The Hairball when a 85% Democratic city is being demolished by the corrupt in the bag Democratic pols.To add insult to injury they tell us all of this is environmental and green policy.
Nope. Not happening this time.
They could, of course, rig the vote here. That would induce nostalgia.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Uprated for "her".
Maybe you meant to type "she"?
Maybe not.
From now on, I will refer to the political race as between him and "her".
used in titles.
"Her Royal Highness".
Thank you.
Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.
It's completely intentional :-)
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
I sort of like "that woman".
Goes with "that man" the Clintons call Obama.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Or as the World Teacher Maitreya put it in 1979
"Without Sharing and Justice, My brothers and sisters, man will know no peace."
No, Her is not a Royal.
I like "Her Hillaryness", b/c it's all about, and only about, Her.
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
"Her" is her name
"I'm with Her"
How about Her Royal Corporate
How about Her Royal Corporate Queen?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
I thought we'd decided on "Her Heinous"??
So many nicknames fit, it's hard to pick just one, lol!
Her Heinous is my favorite,
and then The Mad Bomber.
Colorado
Colorado's 9 electoral votes are looking less and less a "sure thing" for Her Heinous as well. Colorado does not split its electoral votes; she's winner take all.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Add Colorado to the list
Colorado has quite a few anti-establishment types, so Trump may have a chance in that state too.
Colorado
is my state. I will be VERY surprised if Clinton can win here. Bernie would have taken it easily.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
I caucused for Bernie, and was disheartened (but not surprised)
to watch the stolen primaries play out in real time. (Got some caucus stories about that, too -- demoRATic machine politics extend even down to the local level).
One consequence is that I will NEVER VOTE FOR THE $HILL. Never. And because down-ticket Rats tend to represent The Rat Establishment, they won't be getting my vote, either.
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
... and I am thinking that NY also could go for the Drumpf,
rather than for The $hill --
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
Really!
I live in CD 22, upstate NY, which voted heavily for Bernie in the Democratic primary, and that is not even counting independents and Working Families. I am seeing no, nada signs for Killery, and a scattering for Trump, usually, I might add, on what look to be relatively affluent houses--well kept up, newer homes, large mowed yards, several new model vehicles in the driveway. In working class neighborhoods, such as where I live ,there no signs at all.
I signed on with WFP as an alternative to the democrats several years ago, but I think I have had enough of this fusion nonsense.
Mary Bennett
Hampshire Gazette, Northampton MA
The article in the hard copy print edition, shows this as the LEAD across the whole top of the front page with a picture of Jill & the header is : A Call to the Greater Good: Presidential candidate Jill Stein rallies supporters
http://www.gazettenet.com/Candidate-speaks-in-Northampton-4825767
The Liberal Establishment and Their Supporters Completely TRUST
those institutions.
Completely.
The FDA? Why would they release unsafe meds? What's wrong with RoundUp and GMOs. They are COMPLETELY safe.
The EPA? They're protecting our water, for sure. We can trust them, for sure. I mean... Al Gore!
Where do these people get the trust? Seriously.
It gets far worse on the econ front. If it weren't for you gjohnsit, I'd have gone crazy by now.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
Those institutions have been corporatized
by people like William Jefferson Clinton.
And the Liberal Establishment & friends think more is good........... so they can trust them even more.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
That is a nasty looking map
No wonder HRC is on meds.
Of course, implying that everyone is deplorable, apart from a select few, doesn't help.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Nate Silver
has an article up:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-democrats-should-pan...
Democrats Should Panic … If The Polls Still Look Like This In A Week
Maybe she just had a bad week, maybe this week was the turning point. Both candidates are running out of time to turn things around. Lots of states are close. Minority party performance may be key in some races.
I'll say it differently. If Clinton's health stays in the spotlight, polls older than a week are going to be overstating her position. It's a new race, and she's running behind.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
What effect, if any, will the
'intentional but clearly-not-terrorism-related' attacks in NJ, NY and MN have?
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
oh, i think
the time to panic would have been minutes after her 9/11 video went viral. the obvious lies and painful spin haven't helped things at all either. look at this dumpster fire of an interview and tell me the clinton camp isn't scrambling like a bunch of spun squirrels:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfXdd1CcyxU]
just painful to watch, i can't even schadenfreude right. crrringe.
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Thanks for posting the video
Thanks for posting the video - if anyone's interested/hasn't seen this yet, the next one up was this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlqKJuShh8k
Brian Williams, Howard Dean Ignore A Doctor To Trade Talking Points On Hillary's Health
The Jimmy Dore Show
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
This one's relevant too.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kX5suTAg3c]
We wanted decent healthcare, a living wage and free college.
The Democrats gave us Biden and war instead.
I so agree with Jimmy Dore
What a lousy candidate Hillary has been. She has scandals you can drive a tank into besides wanting to kill all the millennials. She has the most tin ear of any candidate I have ever seen and yes she is NOT a natural politician. And for this they rigged this primary? and they think I should give a great big fat damn about who she is running against? Why should I care, they will each cheat their frickin' butts off.
glitterscale
Her frozen grin reminds me of
The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore (now, sadly, perfunctorily defunct -- goddam Viacom) and particularly one cast member, Jordan Carlos, whom they had on whenever there was some sort of not-very-good-thing that happened during the Clinton campaign -- primaries or general. Carlos played a hapless campaign staffer asked to give the spin on the bad news while one of the female cast members would portray Her, yelling and smashing things in the background whenever Larry asked an impertinent question. It happened a lot.
Her is going to lose, and I suggest the moment it becomes official on election night we flood GOS with a torrent of I-told-you-so's.
"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
-- John Lennon
Treacly and Smarmy
were the only two words I could come up with to describe the bootlicker in this video. OMG, don't watch it for at least an hour after you've eaten anything...
Wisconsin may send Feingold back,
but not necessarily Her Heinous. Her support was going down here, even before her 911 collapse. Trump has been sounding more acceptable. Our faithful blueness hasn't gotten us much of late.
Is Every American Who Votes For Trump A Racist?
Excellent connect the dots gjohnsit. I suspect the percentage of voters registered Republican who can be classified as racists is higher than the percentage of registered Democrats. Let's be generous and only credit registered Democrats as 10% racists. Let me crawl out on a limb and speculate that 15-25℅ of registered Republicans can be classified as racists.
Climbing further out on the limb of my logic tree, let's ignore the fact that Bill and Hillary both proudly supported the racist Welfare Reform legislation and racist mass incarceration legislation of Bill's presidency.
Now let's proceed on the assumption that 75℅ of registered Republicans are not racist. Will Hillary succeed in shaming 75% of them into not voting for Trump or will she just piss them off and harden their decision to vote against Hillary? A substantial minority of registered Democrats are seriously considering voting for Trump because they despise Hillary and everything she represents. Isn't it likely that Hillary is equally despised by registered Republicans?
Long story short, I think your analysis is spot on. The accusations of racism are going to fail for exactly the same reasons the accusations of racism failed to change the Brexit vote.
Donald Trump is going to be America's 45th president.
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
Are Republicans more racist than Democrats?
Yes, but not by as much as you would assume
Thx for the facts gjohnsit
I knew they were out there somewhere. I also suspect that most racist Americans are among the substantial percentage of unregistered eligible voters.
Hail to the Chief!
https://m.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4oa3m6/mrw_i_say_if_im_l...
"They'll say we're disturbing the peace, but there is no peace. What really bothers them is that we are disturbing the war." Howard Zinn
I agree, T rump will be the 45th POTUS
Even here in blue Illinois all I see are Trump for Pres. signs, very few HRC signs and I live in the Chicago burbs, traditionally hardcore Dems.
Downstate Illinois
I have yet to see a Hillary Clinton yard sign or bumper sticker, although I see some Trump signs and bumper stickers. As it looks now, Illinois will not give Clinton the same margins as past Democratic presidential nominees. In the same yard, I have seen a Trump sign next to down ticket Democratic signs. That's a new one for me.
Houston - no HRC stickers
I STILL have not seen even one Hillary bumper sticker in Houston and the Houston area. Monday, I'll be accross town and back home. I'll keep an extra sharp eye out for them.
Here's what we've observed, regarding bumper stickers
and billboards.
Fairly early on last year, there were a fair to middling number of FSC bumper stickers.
Then, there was a huge number of Bernie bumper stickers (as hers faded away).
Now, Bernie's have receded, and Trumps' bumper stickers are prevalent.
When we travel together on Family business, we are traveling heavily in the Southeast. But, Mr M routinely travels without me for a week or two, every several months--in every direction. He says it's stark--he practically never sees a FSC bumper sticker, anymore. He sees some, but, fewer than he did before, for Bernie. And, mostly recently, he saw a lot of bumper stickers, and billboards for Trump. Billboards are probably not a bad idea, since they may get 'more eyeballs' than a TV ad. And, they're certainly much less expensive.
I think it's obvious--if she wins (legitimately), it will be mostly with the votes of all of the nations' Elites. 'Cause, it just ain't happening out here with the rank-and-file American--that we can see.
Mollie
“I believe in the redemptive powers of a dog’s love. It is in recognition of each dog’s potential to lift the human spirit, and, therefore, to change society for the better, that I fight to make sure every street dog has its day.”
--Stasha Wong, Secretary, Save Our Street Dogs (SOSD)
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Still zero
Was all over the northern part of Houston and northern Harris County today, as I said I would be.
No Clinton bumper stickers. No Clinton signs. Not even one.
Middle of NY state
Not a single Hillary bumper sticker or yard sign. The 4 Bernie yard signs within 15 miles are still up, carefully replaced after every lawn mowing. Pretty distressing are the Trump signs suddenly sprouting everywhere. there used to be 3 in my small town, now there are dozens.
What happens in the purple heart of NY doesn't matter
The only thing that matters here is the congressional races. Attack ads every commercial break...
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
The Bernie signs are still up on my street in Ithaca, NY
And the ones that have gone down were mostly replaced with Black Lives Matter signs.
Don't count your chickens.
She has the capability to rig the GE.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
But so do the repugs
Bernie didn't have that capability.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
HRC is the candidate of the elites and the MIC
I think it is much more likely to be rigged for her than Trump. Trump is too much of a loose canon. Now, Trump and his supporters may not roll over after vote rigging the way that Dems have done, so things could get interesting if HRC wins the tabulated vote and Trump is ahead in the exit polls.
All valid points, I agree with
and Trump will not do a Gore for sure.
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Here in NM almost all yard signs are Johnson
I've barely seen a handful of Trump or Clinton signs together. I still see more Bernie bumper stickers than those for any of the active candidates, but Stein stickers are almost as easy to find as Trump or Clinton ones.
I suspect people will mostly trudge to the polls and fill in the dot for the party of their identity politics preference, but enthusiasm is notably absent. We may be one election cycle away from the demise of the two-party system, if any challengers can get it together in the interim.
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Not sure the turnout is going to be good.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
People are so damned disgusted with the whole thing
they're tuning out in droves. That scares the hell out of me. I plan to do some phonebanking for Stein if my schedule allows it next month, but other than that, I can't do much to gin up turnout.
From one point of view, this is not bad.
Imagine how you'd feel if they were lining up in droves behind Trump and HRC in fits of terror at the "greater evil."
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Particularly true of millennials, I believe
They were enthused enough to come out and vote and caucus for Bernie, but I don't see much enthusiasm for HRC. Turnout is nut just about phone banking, it is more about enthusiasm, giving people a candidate that they want to vote for.
I live here too.
I see what you see, but I think the usual massive wave will come out of Chicago and swamp the rest of the state.
Voting for Stein, despite her disqualifications, as a protest.
Voting for Duckworth because she's been good to our Union, opposes TPP and Kirk is Krap.
Voting Green downballot to build the party. Too bad there isn't a Green running for Congress in my district. I'm leaving that blank. Don't want the clueless (R) or the neoliberal (D). And why isn't a Green running for state rep or state Senate?
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
This Christopher Hitchens quote has been making the rounds
acerbic as always.
I wonder what he would make of things now.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Ouch!
^^^This!!!^^^
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
That's Some Fine Rhetoric. Clever Stuff...
It's like a Houle Hoop. It could be used for Drumpf, with minimal edits.
She's doesn't just do the thing, she is the thing. That's powerful.
"Trump doesn't just cheat. He IS a cheat.
There are more than a few linguistic, writing, and framing tricks in that paragraph that should not go unnoticed.
Thanks for sharing.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
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