How Crazy Is Donald Trump, Really?
How crazy is Donald Trump, or more appropriately, how far outside of the mainstream of US politics is he?
This week over at The Intercept, Robert Mackey posted a piece about Trump's policy proposal to use the US military as the muscle to seize the oil resources of Middle Eastern countries.
His article recounts the many occasions that Trump has touted this policy in interviews and suggests that we can "better understand what Trump really is," by viewing him through this lens.
To give you a flavor of the commentary that Mackey is referring to, here is a condensed version of some of Trump's word salad that Mackey quotes from an appearance on the Bill O'Reilly show (emphasis mine):
"In the old days, when you had wars, you win, right? You win. To the victor belong the spoils. So when we go to Iraq, we spend $1.4 trillion so far and thousands of lives are lost, right? And not to mention all the poor guys and gals with one arm and no arm and all the problems, right? ... I like the old system better: You won a war, you stay there, and you keep the oil. And you know, then those people will not have died in vain. Forget the money we spent, they will not have died in vain. ... You stay and protect the oil, and you take the oil and you take whatever is necessary for them and you take what’s necessary for us and we pay our self back $1.5 trillion or more. We take care of Britain, we take care of other countries that helped us, and we don’t be so stupid."
Mackey goes to some effort to demonstrate that Trump is a lunatic version of Smedley Butler's nightmare.
Mackey, like many commentators are hot to call Trump a lunatic, but they always seem to avoid the elephant in the room:
Ahead of and shortly after the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, a number of officials, including former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz suggested the war could be done on the cheap and that it would largely pay for itself. In October 2003, Rumsfeld told a press conference about President Bush's request for $21 billion for Iraq and Afghan reconstruction that "the $20 billion the president requested is not intended to cover all of Iraq's needs. The bulk of the funds for Iraq's reconstruction will come from Iraqis -- from oil revenues, recovered assets, international trade, direct foreign investment, as well as some contributions we've already received and hope to receive from the international community." In March 2003, Mr. Wolfowitz told Congress that "we're really dealing with a country that could finance its own reconstruction." In April 2003, the Pentagon said the war would cost about $2 billion a month, and in July of that year Rumsfeld increased that estimate to $4 billion.
Remember that? It wasn't so long ago - and we were all shouting "no war for oil" at any politician that would listen at the time.
The fact is, that this is a recurrent theme for the better part of a century of US history.
Before the 1%-driven US government was justifying its grabs of Middle Eastern oil with obfuscatory cover about "fighting terrorism," it justified it by propagandizing that they were "fighting communism," as Robert F. Kennedy Jr. points out:
During the 1950s, President Eisenhower and the Dulles brothers — CIA Director Allen Dulles and Secretary of State John Foster Dulles — rebuffed Soviet treaty proposals to leave the Middle East a neutral zone in the Cold War and let Arabs rule Arabia. Instead, they mounted a clandestine war against Arab nationalism — which Allen Dulles equated with communism — particularly when Arab self-rule threatened oil concessions. They pumped secret American military aid to tyrants in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq and Lebanon favoring puppets with conservative Jihadist ideologies that they regarded as a reliable antidote to Soviet Marxism. At a White House meeting between the CIA’s director of plans, Frank Wisner, and John Foster Dulles, in September 1957, Eisenhower advised the agency, “We should do everything possible to stress the ‘holy war’ aspect,” according to a memo recorded by his staff secretary, Gen. Andrew J. Goodpaster.
The CIA began its active meddling in Syria in 1949 — barely a year after the agency’s creation. Syrian patriots had declared war on the Nazis, expelled their Vichy French colonial rulers and crafted a fragile secularist democracy based on the American model. But in March 1949, Syria’s democratically elected president, Shukri-al-Quwatli, hesitated to approve the Trans-Arabian Pipeline, an American project intended to connect the oil fields of Saudi Arabia to the ports of Lebanon via Syria. In his book, Legacy of Ashes, CIA historian Tim Weiner recounts that in retaliation for Al-Quwatli’s lack of enthusiasm for the U.S. pipeline, the CIA engineered a coup replacing al-Quwatli with the CIA’s handpicked dictator, a convicted swindler named Husni al-Za’im.
Then of course there was the 1953 Iranian coup that the CIA engineered. They deposed the democratically-elected president for having the nerve to attempt to renegotiate some oil contracts which strongly favored the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (now BP).
Naturally, there was a little blowback once the brutal dictator the CIA imposed on Iran was deposed.
Apparently, the blowback hasn't much bothered the 1% to date, since they maintain the same game plan, recently carried out by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton:
The war in Syria did not begin when the government of Bashar al Assad cracked down on protestors in the spring of 2011. That version of events is obfuscating hogwash. The war began in 2009, when Assad rejected a Qatari plan to transport gas from Qatar to the EU via Syria. As Robert F Kennedy Jr. explains in his excellent article “Syria: Another pipeline War”:
“The $10 billion, 1,500km pipeline through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and Turkey….would have linked Qatar directly to European energy markets via distribution terminals in Turkey… The Qatar/Turkey pipeline would have given the Sunni Kingdoms of the Persian Gulf decisive domination of world natural gas markets and strengthen Qatar, America’s closest ally in the Arab world. ….
In 2009, Assad announced that he would refuse to sign the agreement to allow the pipeline to run through Syria “to protect the interests of our Russian ally….
Assad further enraged the Gulf’s Sunni monarchs by endorsing a Russian approved “Islamic pipeline” running from Iran’s side of the gas field through Syria and to the ports of Lebanon. The Islamic pipeline would make Shia Iran instead of Sunni Qatar, the principal supplier to the European energy market and dramatically increase Tehran’s influence in the Mid-East and the world…”
Naturally, the Saudis, Qataris, Turks and Americans were furious at Assad, but what could they do? How could they prevent him from choosing his own business partners and using his own sovereign territory to transport gas to market?
What they could do is what any good Mafia Don would do; break a few legs and steal whatever he wanted.
What it comes down to after considering the history of US policy towards oil-resourced nations in the Middle East is that Donald Trump is solidly in the mainstream of US policy.
There is not a dime's worth of difference between Donald Trump's proposed policy and Hillary Clinton's policy actions during her career in office.
The perceived difference is Trump's naked embrace of the truth without the bodyguard of euphemisms and propaganda-speak that other candidates sugar-coat US policy with.
The problem that so many journalists and commentators avoid mention of is that US policy is barbaric and stupid - and both Trump and Clinton fully embrace it as Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, etc. did before them.
In content and style, both Trump and Clinton are running for George W. Bush's fifth term.
So blinkered voters, tied to the bipartisan duopoly can now choose between an unvarnished barbarian and a barbarian ("We came, we saw, he died") who is more polished in the art of propaganda.
If Hillary wins, surely all of our missions in the Middle East will be the humanitarian attempts of an exceptional, indispensable nation to protect the weak and spread the blessings of democracy abroad.
Imagine what Albert Schweitzer could have done for mankind if only he had access to drones and Hellfire missiles.
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morning folks...
i have some chores to do, i'll check in later. hope y'all enjoy the rant.
I take this as a reminder
that "Energy Independence" isn't really a national goal, but it is surely an individual responsibility.
My conscience is wincing when I think about my own consumption. We haven't done enough but we are working on it!
Yep, better than invading the ME and seizing the oil
... would be shifting the energy economy so as not to need it in the first place. But since the oil companies don't continue to make obscene profits out of the obvious course, they need to continue to push the Lies of Empire to keep the profit spigot opened up.
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Meanwhile our state continues to funnel dollars
to Big Oil while cutting every other thing in the budget drastically. Education alone has been drastically cut over the last 10 years. Now the PFD is threatened. Does Texas also give away money to Big Oil?
oops, can't convert the tanks and strategic bombers to solar...
i'm afraid that we'll have to keep militarily dominating the middle east so that we can keep showing the world how exceptional and indispensable we are.
Mussolini in Abyssinia
(Ethiopia), 1930s.
"Oil means war!"
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
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That's passe imperialism. The Corporate/Clinton imperialism
is more subtle and cheaper, thereby more profitable for the corporate backers. If you occupy, it's costly to deal with the "locals;" if you get "locals" to oppress their fellow citizens, it's less costly and with smaller PR headaches.
Trump is a small-timer compared with global monopoly capital.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
Pay attention to the neocons
There's a reason they're going with Clinton over Trump.
If his statements about Muslims weren't enough of a clue
I'm not sure what it would take to convince people he's just more of the same. I've been telling people to read between the lines with this guy. The stuff with Putin is just smoke, he would be no different. His statements about NATO are about money, not ideology.
Everybody still against a boycott of this presidential election? I guess we had our chance.
Trump really isn't any crazier than his predecessors.
He just says out loud what they do and pretend not to.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Trump is Hillary's whipping boy.
And believe me, once this shit with Hillary's health blows over (It'll blow over sooner than people think) the whipping will begin in earnest.
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
Yeah! It will blow over Hillary's cold supine body
If she crumps before election day for any reason, she's shit on a shingle. Just a reminder her about her health:
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvJ78hYI6wk]
Pipelines are often overlooked as a casus belli, by those who
focus on resources such as minerals. Yet, pipeline grief has bedevilled numerous players from numerous factions and continues to this day. I once had a large wall map of all the pipelines and rail routes in the greater Caspian area and it was a fabulous predictor of both history and current events, and, if memory serves me right, future events too.
I think that it was Pepe Escobar who coined the term pipelineistan and simply googling that word brings up not only many links to articles, but 5 very nice maps. Clicking on the first one turns up many more, etc. It is well worth some leisurely browsing, maybe a few hours per week, for those unacquainted with the "topic" and viewpoint.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
absolutely, el...
pipelines, profits and strategery are all related.
Wow, enhydra lutris enhydra, how cool is that?
Would like to have seen it!
Jakkalbessie and I both grew up with fathers in the greasy labor side of the oil bidness. She actually lived in an oil camp in Venezuela part of her childhood. To think about what the US 1 % is doing to Venezuela makes me sick. Wouldn't put it it past them to start wanting to bomb bomb bomb there as well.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
So?
"Trump's policy proposal to use the US military as the muscle to seize the oil resources of Middle Eastern countries."
Is this any worse than using using the US military as muscle to preserve Saudi dominance and control of the oil resources of Middle Eastern countries? Which has been the neocon/neoliberal policy for at least 16 years.
And what was behind Gulf War I? Iraq seized oil rich Kuwait. Did that affect the USA? Was Saddam Hussein not going to sell that oil? Or was his sin to challenge Saudi dominance?
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
You need to look into Kuwati history. Big hint: Texaco.
Hussain overlooked that. Kuwait was ripping off Iraq & wouldn't negotiate, so Saddam talks to Albright who says the US government doesn't give a shit about these internecine Arab things. Had he seen a Texaco sign somewhere he might not have fallen for that.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
April Glaspie, I beleive
And I'm sure she suckered him.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Thanks. I didn't know about Texaco.
I've seen lots of changes. What doesn't change is people. Same old hairless apes.
Refreshing honesty from Trump
That's how far through the looking glass we've come. A good, honest, old-fashioned occupation of Iraq would only take about 750,000 (pairs of) boots on the ground. We could just take the oil, which admittedly is not worth what it once was.
Trump is the final destination of the oil industry greed
Completely amoral on top of climate change denier.
In a certain way Trump's extremism brings to light their behind the scenes machinations.
Another take on the Syria pipeline mess;
The Secret Stupid Saudi-US Deal on Syria. Oil Gas Pipeline War
The political revolution continues
Well said.
“I never did give them hell. I just told the truth, and they thought it was hell.”
― Harry Truman
Thanks for doing an essay on this joe
I was hoping that someone would do an essay on what the Syrian war is really about and I hope people read the whole RFK Jr. article
And it looks like Obama has decided to put our troops into Harm's way to be mercenaries for the Saudis anyway.
Oops.
So the next time someone gives you grief for not supporting our troops because they are fighting to defend our country and our freedoms, you can point to this article.
The military has been used as muscle for hire for over a century if not longer just as Smedley Butler told us in the 30's.
Besides, how could a group of terrorists or anyone take away our freedoms?
Our own government did that when they passed the Patriot act and Obama signed the NDAA that gives him the authority to lock people away with no charges brought against them and not allowing them access to a lawyer.
Is this the legacy you are asking black people to vote for Hillary ?
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Rock on SnoopyD . Great comment.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
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There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Pretty crazy
Some of the crazy is, indeed, crazy. Plenty of that. No question.
Some of the crazy is due to not being a politician. Case in point "why can't we use our nukes". He can see the advantage of a credible threat of nuclear annihilation in negotiations, someone explain the downside (which he never game a moment's though to). Case in point, refusing to denounce his white supremacist supporters. We're used to scripted kabuki performances between politicians and journalists in such circumstances where he is supposed to denounce them while sending dog whistles to them that he is really their guy. Case in point being the final stage of "running America like a business", specifically a business that can print money and has an army. So he says out loud what is supposed to be hidden because he doesn't know how that particular game is expected to be played for the general public.
Some of the crazy is probably an act to appeal to the distressingly high number of unhinged RW nutjobs that are his base. It isn't much of a stretch for him, which is good because he isn't a good actor. He is, however, a good showman. He gives them what they want and he might actually win this thing.
Crazy indeed.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
it's mighty crazy...
it's hard to tell just how crazy trump is. after all somebody who deeply doesn't care so much that he is willing to tell the truth without pulling your leg - why he might just do any old damned thing.
It's way way cheaper just to buy oil
I think it's obvious that it is way way cheaper just to buy oil on the world market than to launch invasions and long-term occupations of countries halfway around the world. Not to mention we have barely begun to substitute renewable energy for fossil fuels. With today's technology it is affordable to buy a fully-solar house that also charges your electric car.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
Oil in the ground = Oil Reserves = a huge component of
oil company assets, net worth & share price.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Cheaper, yes, but...
It doesn't put trillions of dollars into the pockets of the defense contractors who select our president.
edg nailed it.
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
cheaper, but not as satisfying...
for people who want to play the global "full spectrum dominance" game.
But buying the oil instead of invading countries for it
Would hurt the defense industry complexes. The defense industry was smart enough to put their plants in at least 46 states so that the members of congress could get the graft money from them.
And if we did start going more solar then the military would still have to invade countries in order for the corporations to get their hands on the minerals that make solar systems.
Remember what Eisenhower said about the MICC? I think it holds true for almost every industry that makes money off of the government contracts.
The prison industry for example.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Not a lunatic, but a narcissistic sociopath
He'll say or do anything it takes to gain glory. THat's according to his ghost writer.
To thine own self be true.
afternoon marilyn...
we've got two frighteningly sociopathic individuals running as candidates of the two major parties. the powers that (likely) one of them will be entrusted with are substantial and in their hands, dangerous. we're all screwed if either one of them is elected.
I disagree with your conclusion.
I don't believe Trump said "take the oil" as a statement of policy. I believe it was intended as implied criticism of Obama and Bush for running unfunded wars. Typical Trumpism: "I'm a big, bad Alpha dog, so I would have kept the oil fields to pay for the war. Unlike those sissies Bush and Obama."
sadly, the democrats are such a bunch of lame-assed morons...
who are unlikely to change horses, that we may get a chance to find out which of our conclusions is correct.
Quick: Who is likelier to get a declaration of war (or a new
AUMF) out of Congress, Hillary or the Donald?
Most Republican Senators and Ryan clearly are not on Trump's side. They are not going to rubber stamp his whims. Democrats will stonewall him. So, if Congress does its job, Trump will not be able to get into too much trouble. I am not at all optimistic that they will check neocon Hillary on anything other any truly good deed she may try in lip service to the 2016 Democratic platform.
Besides, although she is not a yam-colored American, I see her as just as nutty as Trump. She's not loose cannon nutty, but she's nutty.
AUMF Hahaha. How Quaint. You Are Adorable.
What was the last war anyone bothered to go to the trouble of an AUMF?
I gonna guess Iraq II by Bush, the idiot son.
Certainly Not Obama's Iraq III: The return of the 'Consultants'.
Nor Libya. Nor Syria. Nor Yemen. ....
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Misplaced ridicule aside, you got my point, right?
As far as my point, it doesn't matter, even a little, if it's a declaration or an AUMF or taking Trump to court to stop him,* they are likelier to enable Hillary and block Trump than to treat them equally or to enable Trump and block Hillary.
*In case you don't recall, several members of Congress took Obama to court over his failure to go to Congress about Libya. The court dismissed the lawsuit. However, when Boehner sent Obama a 14 point "legal" letter about Obama's failure to go to Congress about Syria, Obama's red line in the sand, aka his threat of out and out war, disappeared.
I was just having fun.
It was not meant as ridicule. Sorry you took offense.
Yeah I get your point. But looking at your Syria example, yeah Obama backed down -- for a while. We are now doing bombing runs in Syria. So Obomba got his way.
IMHO. War is war. It is money in the MICs pocket. I don't think they care who wants to starts one, Trump or Hellery.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Citizen, did you read joe's link to the RFK article?
And we aren't only just doing bombing runs, we have so many government organizations sponsored troops in Syria. gjohnsit has been covering this and awhile back the CIA's terrorists were fighting the pentagon's terrorist group.
And one of our moderate terrorists groups just told our special forces to leave.
It's the biggest clusterfuck in Syria right now I can't keep track of who is fighting whose terrorists groups or which country's terrorists are helping us or fighting against us.
And if my comment doesn't make sense, that's how I feel about all the different groups fighting each other.
Maybe someone will do a bingo card or a graphic
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Thanks snoopydawg.
I will have to go read that link. Yes, Syria is such a clusterf**k I can't keep up with the news. It really shows how we are making things a lot worse by our intervention. But then maybe that's what they want. US pumping weapons into a region where we can't tell friend from foe. What could go wrong.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Not only pumping weapons into Syria
But funding so many terrorists groups including Al Quada who we first created to fight the USSR, then they attacked us and fought against us in Iraq but we are now funding and arming them again in Syria to help overthrow Assad. And the troops and fighting alongside them.
I would be pretty pissed to learn about this if I had been injured in the Iraq by them or saw my friends killed, but of course the media isn't going to tell Americans that Obama is funding AQ again. The left will yawn, but the right will say that he's doing it because he's a Muslim.
I agree that this is what the defense industry wants. Since the war on terror started, it has cost us up to $6 trillion. That would take 5 people spending $5-10 million a day 263 years to spend that much money according to an article I read.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/what_did_we_buy_with_the_5_trillion_...
But that's a staggering amount, isn't it?
There's another website that shows the costs of the wars in real time since 2001 and the tracker goes bye so fast it looks like it takes less than a second to spend $100.
https://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/
Imagine if they had spent the money here instead.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
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Thanks.
You've apologized to me for my reaction.
Obama did not get his way. Congress got its way. The red line in the sand was about flat out war, not a no fly zone, plus escalation, which as to the Middle East and the U.S., is Tuesday.
Congress said, no, Obama, you can't just do whatever you want" you have to "consult" with us. "Consult with us" or "Consult with Congress" was the language they used over and over during their TV appearances. I noted it because because the Constitution requires a vote of Congress, not a chat, yet they never said "you need our vote."
Obviously, no one can know for certain, but I assume that Obama did consult them and got Boehner's off the record, unofficial go ahead, with everyone agreeing not to talk. I infer that from the fact that Boehner did not go to court. That is usually the next step after a "legal letter," unless the sender gets compliance, or unless the writer was totally bluffing. If Boehner was totally bluffing, that would have been a huge risk to his image. So, I think Obama blinked.
I seem to remember having a similar discussion recently with someone here, but I am not sure it was you.
We disagree that Congress would indulge Trump and Hillary equally. After all that has been said about Trump, including by Republicans, I don't think Congress would do that, especially Democrats. I think there would be hell for them to pay and they know it. Look at the Iraq War vote. Hillary is still trying to recover from it.
McKay's articles get attacked as establishment propaganda.
That article would have landed him on the front page of TOP. I think the whole implication of his articles is to tear down Trump, which is easy enough, but let slide and imply Clinton is the better choice.
Trump is an entertainer.
Most likely we will get President Pence.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/07/donald-trump-mike-pence-runn...
“When there's no fight over programme, the election becomes a casting exercise. Trump's win is the unstoppable consequence of this situation.” - Jean-Luc Melanchon
I forget where I read it, but
somebody asked Pence who was the Vice President he most admired, and his answer was Dick Cheney.
native
Our Peace vigil
When our Peace vigil was still active, we had a banner that read, "No BLOOD for Oil."
All these wars are simply about resource stealing. Trump is not saying anything new. He is just openly saying what has been US policy for years. Thank you for reminding us, Joe. Our history has been sordid in the Middle East for a long, long time
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
My take is
he isn't. He's doing exactly what he needs to do to keep this thing close and to leave himself an out if need be. It's an idea that's been tickling the back of my mind for a while now and it's still not fleshed out. I'm trying to leave it alone to see if it reveals, but so far that's all I got. If he is crazy, it's crazy like a fox. And She ain't done yet, either.
Ya got to be a Spirit, cain't be no Ghost. . .
Explain Bldg #7. . . still waiting. . .
If you’ve ever wondered whether you would have complied in 1930’s Germany,
Now you know. . .
sign at protest march
Thanks for pointing toward to Intercept article.
Agree with your take on HRC and Trump for more of the same insanity.
Jill Stein
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
not so much crazy
more of an opportunist or huckster. see's potential market and play's the suckers.
A latter-day PT Barnum
hustling the rubes. Which way to the Egress?
There is no justice. There can be no peace.