Response to Climate Series by Ranting Rooster - Resilience - Underground Greenhouse
Thank you Ranting Rooster for this wonderful terrifying series on the climate crisis. As I see it, our response should be threefold:
- We wake up to the facts and are appropriately frightened.
- We embrace and experience awake spirituality as addressed in Gerrit's 3D+ group
- We share, plan, and take action as best we can
I am here in the middle of Texas. I want to grow my own food, capture water, personally recycle (meaning we reuse things and have little waste), and power our home with wind and solar.
The purpose of this essay is to get advice on (hopefully) my first project. Some of you may be builders or architects or you just have general know-how in this area.
One of the goals for all of my projects is that they can be built with little money, but mostly hard (but not impossible) work. This morning I sketched out my idea for an underground greenhouse.
It is slightly different from underground greenhouses you see on YouTube. Pretty much all of those are for cold climates. I want to go underground in Texas not only because we have hot summers, but also our winters can get into the teens. All cold climate underground greenhouses are oriented to face a southern exposure. Mine points north and south. Less sun is better here. If it doesn't get enough sun, I would augment that with grow-light rope, like they use in the shipping container farms (Freight Farm).
We would dig the hole, and then use the dirt from the hole to fill dirt bags, using the dirt bags to build the walls. Probably there would be a simple wood frame? Plastic covers the roof. I am thinking maybe we need styrofoam/foil panels that we occasionally lay on the roof to protect from extreme heat or cold.
At our place it would be dug into a gentle sloping hill, so some sort of drainage ditch would be required. I'd like to make it 12 x 70.
Hope to get some good comments and criticisms!

Comments
Looks spiffy...wish we had enough land
to do something like that.
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A major wet problem is what I see as an architecture-osmosed
person. Greenhouse spaces are wet. Underground greenhouses are essentially basements with glazing on top. Are there dug or excavated basements where you live, or are most newer dwellings slab-on-grade? And any older basements there---wet or dry?
I have half-assed architecture and new construction techniques not completely-groked. My house is 30 y/o. Ahead of superinsulated for the time. Now I have mice. BUT: it is very expensive to build now. Materials are expensive. Going with home-made (like bags o dirt) is asking for water and mold problems down the path. But architects are expensive, I got spoiled by having one in-house. I have been screwed over by a dumb builder since. So I may not be the best source.
Best advice: if you are not The Pioneer, find relevant folk in the same area of TX who were. Good luck!
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I hope I did not do a conversation-stopper there!
I would also like to hear from anyone who has such operating. Bedrock less than 2' down here, no way.
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You could still pile up berms around it.
Less digging!
"I’m a human being, first and foremost, and as such I’m for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” —Malcolm X
Good idea!
Thanks!
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
There is plenty of farming where I live . . . .
but none of it is for human consumption.
That creeps me out. We need to figure out how to grow food here for us. I think that involves the underground greenhouse and a strategy to grow as much as you can outside the greenhouse .. . . fighting climate, drought, cold, rain . ..
I am currently busy doing fall garden stuff . . . . trying to make it before it freezes. Harvesting green beans, okra, and hot peppers . . . planted tomato and cabbage and more green bean plants out . . .
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Ventilation!
Always ventilation, no stale air. Even if it's hot, stale air is dead air, same with water. Keep it moving or plants die. Most likely you wouldn't have to go down more than 6'. Use a 6 mil poly to seal against ground moisture and spores. Use excavated soil to build up your own berm around the top. Use plant screen to shield from direct sun. Old newspaper(usually free!) makes a good mulch/compost water retainer. You have Internet, the variations are endless. I'm always using the censorship engine du jour to find stuff.
Luck! (Hopefully good)
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Thank you!
good ideas!
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Newspaper ink contains formaldehyde
Or it used to. I cough when exposed to the stuff. Not sure I'd use it as mulch. Just sayin'; and I have no green thumb. Just mentioning something I've reacted to for decades.
Right idea
Underground greenhouses are one of the very few things that an individual can do to prepare. Of course, it won't be any more reliable than your water supply.
There's more to it than just a "basement with a glass roof", though it is certainly that. Basements have lousy ventilation, you can have as much ventilation of this as you want. For example, a small solar panel directly driving a DC fan. When the sun shines it moves air, don't worry about it the rest of the time.
The whole idea is to stabilize the temperature without major energy inputs. Keep it warm enough in the winter with little or no supplemental heat, keep it cool enough in the summer that the plants survive when the farmers around you are losing their crops. Heat, drought, floods, hail, high winds are what are going to decimate agriculture. You're building a fortress around your carrots to protect them from all that.
The worst of flooding can be dealt with by berming above grade - what's your frost line there? You don't have to go any deeper than that, and then you build up and pile dirt against your walls, sloping away.
Dig a dry well (just a few feet) and put a sump pump in it. If you have enough slope to work with you can just install a regular gravity drain.
Most greenhouses are pretty flimsy. They are more concerned with being cheap and just replacing them if they get flattened. We can expect unprecedented storms of all kinds, so don't skimp on the framing and provide something, for example 3/4 inch plywood with pre-drilled holes, that can be easily attached to the outside with wing nuts.
Get yourself a copy of "Four Season Harvest" by Elliot Coleman. A quick google shows he has a website that I didn't look at, http://www.fourseasonfarm.com/.
Commercial greenhouses try to supply, for example, tomatoes in winter. That's hard to do (but can be done, of course). You need to regulate artificial light to force flowering, etc. Hot weather vegetables are that much harder to grow out of season. Instead, concentrate on things like leafy greens for your fresh veggies in the winter.
People use some sort of greenhouse fabric on the inside to shade the interior in the height of summer.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Great!
I will research all of those things. Very helpful! Thanks . . . .
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
First and for most, thank you
for your kind words.
Secondly, AWESOME on building your own greenhouse, so you can grow your own food! What a way to take personal responsibility for your own life, and be an outstanding example of the kind of “thinking” that IS required NOW to weather the storm of Climate Change that is not 50 to 100 years off into the future, but happening in real time right now.
Suggestions
Start with an analysis of the soil and water drainage in your area. Here in Dallas the soil, for the most part we call black gumbo. In the heat it cracks like crazy and when it gets wet, it becomes like quick sand, almost. And most especially check your county records for flood plain area and drainage. Nothing like a flash flood to ruin a winter harvest.
You might consider making your own bricks, especially if there is clay shallow enough for you to reach or if there is enough available commercially and not to costly. Just consider the Great Wall of China.
From TravelChinaGuide.Com:
Brick are easier to carry and stronger than sand bags, and don't require any additional resources like canvas or burlap.
I'm inspired by ancient technologies that were used to build things, that still exist today, like the pyramids, the Great Wall of China but also things like;
From Crackle.Com (yeah I know it's crackel, but...)
This article points out 5 items built / constructed back in the day (lol) that still exist and challenge our best scientist to measure up. For example, Ancient Metal Plating.
Of course you'll need to get your hands of some phosphorus and then figure out, what our scientists can't...how the ancient Indians were able to "do" metal plating better than we can today. (gee, ain't I a lot of help??? lol)
But what that informs me, is that what we know today is not always the best way to do things, hence my inspiration for old tech that still works. Old tech might be a bit more labor intensive (get the whole family involved), but, it will save money in the long run, and last a long time as well.
What I take into consideration, is that much of what we do (design / build) today is done within the confines of the current Zeitgeist, that is "consumerism". Most of the things we build today, are built to last only a short while, then disregard to the trash dump and replaced with new and improved consumer widget that won't last very long either. Rinse and repeat as required or as you can afford it, is the consumer mantra instructs.
Heck for another example, look at this light bulb, that is still burning over 100 years later, which was not designed and manufactured by our beloved Ben Franklin, but by an unknown professor, Adolphe Chaillet.
From Livermore California:
Think for a moment, why does not every home, every office, every bread and circus stadium, every highway or city street, not have lights with these type bulbs? Think of the maintenance and labor cost savings by having these type of light bulbs, that burn for over 100 years! (No profit!)
For me, I think about what I can do with my hands and available resources. What I don't know, I deal with at garage sales, estate sales, half priced books and as you are doing know, crowd sourcing on line with other liked minded people.
I wished I owned some land. Before my wife passed away last year, we were looking into (wishing really) moving out of the city and getting some land to where we could begin the process of transforming our lives, from mindless consumer existence driven by propaganda, to becoming masters of our own destinies, that is, not having to rely on others for anything.
She had the green thumb, I'm was the labor (lol). I'm allergic to wasps, bees and such, and she found plants and flowers that were natural pesticides to those flying death bugs, and was able to bring “beauty” as well as functionality to our little home, when we actually had one.
But most importantly, thank you, you just brighten my day 1000 fold! That, in the world / words of consumerism, is priceless.
RR
(I was in the middle of a writing rant about the seeming flood of endless click bait essays, over shit we can't do anything about or just mindless speculation, when I noticed a comment showed up on the left hand side of the page and then saw the essay title. And for a moment, was like, oh hell what did I do now to be called out in the title of an essay. But I must say, I was please as a pig in shit when I read your essay, which help pull me out of my "funky mood today". So again thank you! I "needed" that!
Unfortunately the only thing I've ever tried to grow, well is illegal in Texas and I didn't do a very good job at it, my crop failed.
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Dear Ranting Rooster . . .
Sorry you lost your wife . . . . I have lost many family members but still have my husband. It is the sad shit of life.
We are sort of neighbors. If I remember right from DK, you were at the Bernie rally in Grand Prairie. Me too. Wasn't it fabulous? I was a teacher for 30 years and I was amazed at how you could hear a pin drop with 7000 people there.
There is still plenty of reasonably priced land in Texas. You just have to get far enough out of the metroplex. We are half way between Hillsboro and Corsicana. Still cheap land out here. You can still own land.
Keep writing the great essays Ranting Rooster!!!
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Thanks.
Yeah, that was me. That was a great rally and was amazing that, that many people could be so quite. My wife too for a time was teacher, a middle school in Garland where she taught Theater Arts.
Oh I'm still looking for land, just can't afford it at the moment. Of course as crazy as I am, I'm looking for abandoned Nuclear silo's lol or old military communications station that have under ground facilities. I can dream can't I lol.
Thanks again.
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Also . . . I will look into the brick idea . . .
. . . and yes, we have black gumbo. When we first moved out here we had a soil scientist come out and test the soil.
I do not plant anything in the ground here. I use mulching and layering techniques to create my own soil in raised beds. Terrible soil, short growing seasons, and pestilence (grasshoppers) are the biggest obstacles here.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
One other thought
Two small units might be better than one larger unit. Take what you learn from the first one and improve the design for the second. If one unit fails, or gets infested, perhaps the other stays in production. Smaller project more likely to get done.
"The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function." -- Albert Bartlett
"A species that is hurtling toward extinction has no business promoting slow incremental change." -- Caitlin Johnstone
Good idea
Yes .... There is definitely a trial and error factor. My current greenhouse taught me a lot.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Bees do not have to be Apis mellifera
And open to outside air, bees may come.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.