This guy protected Hillary in the Secret Service and is scared for us

Submitted by dakrle on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 9:20am

This piece eviscerates the 3 reasons given for her collapse

From the article-
I cared for and protected the Clintons for many years. It was my duty to guard Mrs. Clinton in the Secret Service and I was so close to the First Family that the Supreme Court subpoenaed me to testify on the details of Bill Clinton’s late-term scandals.
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The Secret Service doesn’t like to wait—standing still in the eyes of the Service is waiting for an attack to happen........Anything that holds up a motorcade is extremely dangerous and anything that ties up a Secret Service agent’s hands from drawing their pistol or intervening a threat is a hazard.

Mr Byrne who wrote the article is saying that the secret service must have done this in the past as it is outside of normal operating procedure yet none of the agents are caught off queue. He is stating that the Secret Service agents were acting out of procedure in a procedural manor, therefore they must have coordinate this previous to the episode.

Here’s what was very disturbing to me: after the medical episode, she went to her daughter’s apartment and not to an Emergency Room. Secret Service procedure for each detail dictates that everyone knows which hospital to go to depending on the event - heart failure, gunshot, you name it. It is very revealing that, whatever is wrong with her, she is being treated by her own private medical specialists in secret and, judging by the ballet-like reaction by her detail, they have dealt with this before.

this is a hit and run....

I have been reading but not posting cuz I have been so busy. Thanks to all of you that continue to post. Get well Steven D. Great work on the moderation JtC.

On a side note about using "bitch" to describe Hillary.....I tell my kids they are NOT allowed to name call and bitch is name calling BUT they are allowed to tell another sibling that they are "acting" like a "jerk". They are not allowed to call their sibling a jerk however. But sometimes we all behave poorly and we should be called out for it. If you are describing her behavior it is fine with me, but I draw the line at directing it at her person.

Have a wonderful day and stay out of the allergy hotspots if you have pneumonia!

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Submitted by lunachickie on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 9:31am

The link contents read true

as Secret Service; I can only conclude he knows what he's talking about, unless someone proves him wrong. Thanks for posting.

I am just gobsmacked at people who think we should not be paying attention to this. If you can't apply past experience and realistic reasoning to a set of data that you already know, how do you learn enough (about anything) to move forward?

Answer: you can't. Which is why we speculate, consider, and look at Bigger Pictures and Other Scenarios which may be related. Where I come from, that's known in part as "problem solving skills in use".

Submitted by Pricknick on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 10:11am

Well said.

If you can't apply past experience and realistic reasoning to a set of data that you already know, how do you learn enough (about anything) to move forward?

There's also: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
And to show you how our government works today, I give you this:
"We need to look forward".
So basically, we're stuck in the rewind machine.

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Regardless of the path in life I chose, I realize it's always forward, never straight.

Submitted by lunachickie on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 10:49am

Only if we shut up and acquiesce

I'm not doing this. IMO, we are not being told the whole truth about any of this.

Oh, and normally, we're doomed if we repeat history that we didn't learn from. But this one's kind of unprecedented

Submitted by Centaurea on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 5:03pm

Translation

Translation of "We need to look forward":

"Nothing to see here, Citizen, move on."

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~Rumi

"If you want revolution, be it."
~Caitlin Johnstone

Submitted by Sunspots on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 12:50pm

A couple of videos of a doctor saying it looks like Parkinson's

Before she was hauled into the van, she was rigid, even when she fell forward, her head & neck were straight ahead, and Parkinson's patients have "freezing" episodes. They lose control of their swallowing muscles, too, and have coughing fits when saliva gets on their vocal cords, like our reaction when coffee goes down the wrong way.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-13/medical-doctor-explains-why-hil...

The nodding, he says, is an effect of levodopa. Everyone who's been on it more than ten years develops those movements, he says. He seemed pretty convincing, but you can see what you think.

Submitted by dkmich on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 9:37am

Address the behavior and not the person

Always a good rule to follow. As far as her illness, this has got to be routine. If it wasn't, she'd be in three hospitals at one time with 100 physicians at her side all paid for by the taxpayer.

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Submitted by lunachickie on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 10:46am

I'm confused by this comment

where you state "this has to be routine"....

None of us absolutely knows where Mrs Clinton has been when she's not on camera. We have no idea how many or what kind of hospitals she's been in, or how many physicians she's seen, dk! How can we even begin to try and assume this?

If it wasn't, she'd be in three hospitals at one time with 100 physicians at her side all paid for by the taxpayer.

Submitted by Shahryar on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 2:51pm

"rountine" for Hills, that is

they've been through it before...possibly.

Submitted by Amanda Matthews on Thu, 09/15/2016 - 3:49am

This is back from 2012...

Super-Rich Americans Now Have Emergency Rooms In Own Homes

a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/concierge-medicine_n_1353155.html">

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

Submitted by Amanda Matthews on Thu, 09/15/2016 - 3:51am

This is back from 2012...

Super-Rich Americans Now Have Emergency Rooms In Own Homes

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

Submitted by Amanda Matthews on Thu, 09/15/2016 - 3:51am

Dupe. Haven't done that in a while.

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

Submitted by Steve15 on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 10:30am

The evidence continues to grow

Some questions regarding the episode remain unanswered and are being ignored by the media.

1. Was the appearance by "Hillary" outside the apartment really a body double?

2. If not a body double, why was she not surrounded by Secret Service?

3. What is the real purpose of the blue sunglasses-are they really Zeiss glasses used to reduce seizures?

4. Now this last valid observation by an ex Secret Service member.

Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 11:09am

The "I'm feeling great" video was shot from front view.

I've seen side view photos of the scene that show SS agent 'types' holding back onlookers.

Photo at this link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/11/hillary-clinton-leaves-911-ce...

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Submitted by Sunspots on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 1:02pm

The doctor I mentioned above says that she couldn't have

recovered so fast if it was really pneumonia or dehydration, but could easily have done it if she needed her medication adjusted. He has some footage of the effects of the blue glasses.

Come to think of it, though, she could ALSO have pneumonia if she can't protect her airway any more.

It would explain why she hasn't been campaigning in public or having press conferences. Stress makes those things worse. Think she'll show up for debates?

Submitted by Citizen Of Earth on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 11:00am

Good article. Thanks for posting.

Interesting description of the event.
And I'll bet most of her SS agents see her angry side all the time.

When I protected her, I witnessed her irate behavior and, frankly, I don’t think anyone can operate with such uncontrollable fits of anger and not have it take a toll on a person’s health—I think that’s exactly what has resulted.

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Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.

Submitted by Iogrey on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 12:02pm

In all fairness

I might give her a pass on her past "irate behavior" and "uncontrollable fits of anger" because of who she's married to. I'd be irate too if my husband was a serial cheater who humiliated me in front of the world, and now I have to pretend as if everything is just fine.

Submitted by Damnit Janet on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 12:19pm

In all fairness

she doesn't have to "pretend". She could have left him.

I don't feel sorry for her. I remember how Hillary was Bill's attack dog against the many women who claimed affairs and rapes.

She not only "stood by her man" she went after women. "what do you expect me to do? stay home and bake cookies"..

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"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

Submitted by Iogrey on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 1:26pm

I do agree with you

She certainly could have left him, and there is no excuse whatsoever for going after the women who accused Bill (I had forgotten about that). It's just the way I am. I can't help but feel empathy for people - even people who I dislike and who don't really deserve it.

Submitted by lotlizard on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 7:03pm

As we software geeks say, that’s a feature, not a bug.

I can't help but feel empathy for people — even people who I dislike and who don't really deserve it.

We see so much of the opposite: people who seem always on a vendetta, usually against the wrong targets (figures who are the symptom rather than the cause).

Submitted by Amanda Matthews on Thu, 09/15/2016 - 3:57am

She publicly defended him. This is one of my earliest memories

of those two vulgararians:

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I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks

Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa

Submitted by Raggedy Ann on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 11:21am

I've seen an interview with this SS agent.

He really knows the Clintons. I find him credible. Thanks for posting his analysis on this episode.

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

Submitted by Older and Wiser Now on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 11:51am

Are you aware of the assisted living center in the building

where Chelsea lives? I'm not sure if it was here or on reddit, but I recently learned that the 4th floor of the building where Chelsea lives is an assisted living center. Apparently, the Clinton's bought the building and Chelsea's family moved into it. So now, whenever Clinton "has an off day", she can "hang out with Chelsea and play with the grandkids." The truth is, of course, that she is receiving medical treatment, but the perception of the public is that a "visit to Chelsea" is not medically significant in any way.

I can hunt for the links if people need them/ are interested. Nevermind, here it is (it was on WotB):

https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/52ip4j/leave_a_review_to_...

[–]TheMysteriousFizzyJRussians rushing![S] 3 points 1 day ago

Clinton bought an assisted living center, which Chelsea moved into. No wonder she went there immediately after falling from "pneumonia"

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Submitted by Sunspots on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 12:55pm

Wow!

Just wow!

Submitted by Older and Wiser Now on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 1:52pm

That's what I thought too. Wow, just wow!

In fact I essentially left that same comment on the reddit article, lol.

A more recent comment on reddit seems to imply that the previous center no longer exists ... I don't know what to make of that. Perhaps it WAS there, but no longer is ... or perhaps the Clinton's bought that whole thing out and turned it into a private service just for her. I would think that the Clinton's wouldn't want it to be a pubic thing anymore, because that would kind of ruin the entire sweet setup that she conceivable has now.

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~OaWN

Submitted by Wink on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 12:10pm

Bubba can't wait

to assume the duties of Goebbels, and Her Highness can't wait to start ordering people around. "I said I wanted it over There, bitch! Pay attention!"

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Submitted by Damnit Janet on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 12:16pm

Clintons are as transparent as a solid brick

Absolutely nothing is ever clear or honest.

Nothing but lying liars.

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"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison

Submitted by travelerxxx on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 12:28pm

Option one

Seemingly no matter what occurs in the course of the Clintons existence, they appear to have only two options in response to any event:

Option one: Lie

Option two: (See Option one)

My gawd, what a horrendous way to try to live! No wonder both Clintons have health problems and look like hell. Trying to live a lie 24/7 is surely as bad as being filled with hate -- it's poison in your system and will kill you.

Submitted by BrutallyHonest on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 1:56pm

Not if they don't have empathy

If you don't have empathy you don't care what others think about you or what you do.

Submitted by native on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 1:27pm

Gary Byrne, the author

of this piece, might not be all he claims to be.

The author of a new tell-all book about Hillary Clinton could never have seen any of what he claims — he was too low-ranking — say several high-level members of Secret Service presidential details, including the president of the Association of Former Agents of the United States Secret Service.
Byrne was a uniformed officer in Bill Clinton’s White House. But that’s the lowest level of protection within the White House and around the president.

People familiar with West Wing security laugh at the idea that Byrne or any uniformed officer ever would have walked in on Bill Clinton anywhere, whether in a meeting or, as a New York Post article over the weekend claims, in the middle of a make-out session in the Map Room with the late daughter of former Vice President Walter Mondale

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/hillary-bill-clinton-secret-servic...
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Submitted by lunachickie on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 1:36pm

Wouldn't mind seeing that

corroborated outside the usual spin machines. I have a friend whose ex was a Secret Service agent around that time--maybe I'll gently poke around and see if I can get more info...

Submitted by native on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 3:13pm

There's an awful lot

of anti-Hillary, as well as pro-Hillary disinformation floating around. It's often hard to be sure about anything. But this fellow Byrne doesn't look trustworthy to me.

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native

Submitted by lunachickie on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 11:34pm

OK

he doesn't look trustworthy?

What does that look like?

Submitted by native on Thu, 09/15/2016 - 3:28am

Just a feeling, I suppose.

An intuition.

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native

Submitted by lunachickie on Thu, 09/15/2016 - 9:57am

Consider

the original source? It reads like the usual Politico damage control/spin/trial balloon. Intuition or not, they've rather lost their credibility over the last year or so....

Submitted by HenryAWallace on Thu, 09/15/2016 - 2:41am

Hillary doesn't "look" trustworthy to most of America--and for

reasons much heavier than anonymous "sources familiar with White House security" pooh poohing a story.

I wonder who those "sources" could have been? Obviously, they were not sources with an anti-Clinton right wing agenda. So, I'm going to rule out both Bush administrations. So, I'm guessing it was someone (or someones) from the Clinton or Obama White House, both of whom very much want Hillary to be President. If I'm taking any story about Democratic nominee for POTUS Hillary with many grains of salt, it would be a story from the Clinton White House or the Obama White House.

I'll worry more about how trustworthy Byrne is after he takes, as First Lady, two effing years to comply with a subpoena and, as Secretary of State, another two effing years to comply with an FOIA request--after wiping servers--and runs for POTUS.

But, don't take my word or anyone else's for it. America and Hillary can speak for themselves.

Sure, Trump lies, too (duh). That is why I voted Sanders in the primary and will vote Stein in the general.

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And, of course, the Inspector General, like Comey, refuted Hillary's comments about her emails.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hillary-clinton-email-inspector-ge...

Submitted by BrutallyHonest on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 1:55pm

It's not that I don't believe them...

...Its just that they have lied so many times before.

I want to hear this information from many other sources before I trust it.

Submitted by Caerus on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 2:42pm

Politico coached by Media Matters

which mean more David Brock bull shit.

I believe Gary Byrne w-a-a-a-a-y before I'd believe any of the ClintonSpinners...

Submitted by TheOtherMaven on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 2:52pm

The servants see how their masters behave,

because the masters don't think it's worth hiding their bad behavior from the servants.

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

Submitted by HenryAWallace on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 3:06pm

This is about what Secret Service personnel are trained to do

if the person they are guarding collapses on their watch, not about walking into a make out session. He does not have to be high up in the Secret Service to know what Secret Service agents are trained to do. It seems perfectly plausible that the training would be to take the subject to the hospital. He's right about the "ballet," too. I noticed that.

Submitted by Redstella on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 3:47pm

Thanks everybody for keeping us

Up on the latest info re Hillary. I do not go onto the tubes because I never know how legit the information is on the facebook or other chat places BUT I am totally enthralled with the latest newsy news like -is Hillary really dead? Or what dread disease she could possibly have, or will she finally drop out of the race and I totally depend on you guys to read it first and tell us all. Honestly! I wake up each morning wondering if today is the best day of the year when we hear she has finally crashed and burned.

Maybe tomorrow.

I read this through and thought it might sound like snark but it is actually true. Probably shameful, but I wait with baited breath to hear the great great news. Please!

Submitted by Shopkeeper2 on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 10:54pm

Wow , that is a very

Wow , that is a very disturbing comment, and up voted by four others.

Submitted by Shopkeeper2 on Wed, 09/14/2016 - 11:19pm

I personally have been

I personally have been dropped to the ground on numerous occasions due to allergies. My family knows what to do to help me. So I would assume SS would have contingencies in place if Hillary has that sort of reaction to allergies, though this particular event was dehydration according to her doctor. I will not go to the hospital having a normal allergy episode which can include fainting.

Submitted by HenryAWallace on Thu, 09/15/2016 - 1:18am

Cool, but I am not sure what a normal allergic reaction has

to do with something reported as heat stroke or pneumonia during a campaign for President by someone under Secret Service protection.

Submitted by Shopkeeper2 on Thu, 09/15/2016 - 12:07pm

The argument was that

The argument was that similiar occurrences must have occurred before because SS behaved in a routine manner. I am pointing out that that routine matter of behavior may be from experience gained from previous allergy attacks or plans put in place to deal with an allergy attack. The fainting from Dehydration would be similiar to an allergic fainting. Everyone including Hillary may have assumed this episode was a allergy reaction not expecting dehydration as the problem, thus explaining not going to the hospital or contacting emergency response, and those around Hillary behaving in a routine manner.

Submitted by HenryAWallace on Fri, 09/16/2016 - 4:13am

If she faints often from allergies--something I've not heard--

that sure as hell should be disclosed. However, I do not believe that the Secret Service is qualified to diagnose the reason for loss of consciousness.