Tuesday Evening Coat-of-Arms Puzzle

Where are they from, and why are there three?

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For extra points, discuss their colours and their symmetry groups. Note especially the relative placement of the sword and the key in the first (leftmost) one.

What is the animal on the third one? What is it carrying on its shoulder? What is its significance?

Do you know of any other coats-of-arms with similar features?

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Bollox Ref's picture

is interesting, as that died out fairly early on as a way of combining arms.

Sword over key in the first quarter, but key over sword in the fourth.

Hmm!

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Gëzuar!!
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You never did answer, and I'm disappointed.

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Oops!!

I must have pressed the wrong button. Sorry.

Off to check.

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also of Albany.

And Grand Duke Frederick Augustus II of Oldenburg.

As far as I can make out, their closest common ancestors are Charles Christian of Nassau-Weilburg and his wife Caroline of Orange.

As there are so few flags, my vexillology exploration is pretty much done. I am looking forward to Charles Edward's banner turning up soon.

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Gëzuar!!
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tapu dali's picture

as you already know something about me.

BTW, I don't know the answers to my questions and I was hoping you could help!

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There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.

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omnia gallia in tres partes divisa est, no it's not from there.

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and about his flag puzzle of a week or so ago that got completely lost in the shuffle. (I was the ONLY person who responded, at all, and I waited over 24 hours before I did.)

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Keeping threads separate can be challenging. I wish they had something here similar to TOP where you know who's replying to whom!

Any ideas on mine?

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Can try to research it, though.

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Charles & Caroline's daughter Amalie von Nassau-Weiberg and her husband Viktor II von Anhalt-Bernburg.

Charles Edward of Albany and soforth was descended from their daughter Emma, while Fred of Oldenburg was descended from another daughter, Ida. I think that makes them second cousins once removed (Fred was a generation older than Charles).

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I'm glad this was really hard.

Answer:

Vana-Liivimaa valitsejate vapid aastal 1556: Tartu piiskop Hermann Wesel, ordumeister Heinrich von Galen, Saaremaa ja Kuramaa piiskop Johannes von Münchhausen. Jahrbuch für Genealogie, Heraldik und Sphragistik. 1907 und 1908. Herausgegeben von der Genealogischen Gesellschaft der Ostseeprovinzen zu Mitau. Mitau, 1910.

Look up the names, guess at some of the words (not that difficult), and you're there.

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that no one else would *ever* guess, but I don't see the fun in not giving people a fair chance. Blum 3

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