Glen Greenwald weighs in on where we stand vis a vis Hillary

From The Intercept:

The Unrelenting Pundit-Led Effort to Delegitimize All Negative Reporting About Hillary Clinton

He begins with a comment on Paul Krugman's recent article and tweet

People have apparently called Krugman's support of Clinton, 'brave' for some reason, Greenwald points out. But since there is overwhelming belief that a Trump presidency is out of the question, for the most part, media (with few, predictable exceptions) is all in for Hillary, so, it doesn't take much bravery to trash Trump.

Here's GG's more central point:

...it would be journalistic malpractice of the highest order if the billions of dollars received by the Clintons — both personally and though their various entities — were not rigorously scrutinized and exposed in detail by reporters. That’s exactly what they ought to be doing. The fact that quid pro quos cannot be definitively proven does not remotely negate the urgency of this journalism. That’s because quid pro quos by their nature elude such proof (can anyone prove that Republicans steadfastly support Israel and low taxes because of the millions they get from Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers, or that the Florida attorney general decided not to prosecute Trump because his foundation and his daughter donated to her?). Beyond quid quo pros, the Clintons’ constant, pioneering merger of massive private wealth and political power and influence is itself highly problematic. Nobody forced them to take millions of dollars from the Saudis and Goldman Sachs tycoons and corporations with vested interests in the State Department; having chosen to do so with great personal benefit, they are now confronting the consequences in how the public views such behavior.

He lists a number of Trumps transgressions, and rightfully says that even collectively those should not give Clinton a pass on everything.

But none of it suggests that anything other than a bright journalistic light is appropriate for examining the Clintons’ conduct. Yet there are prominent pundits and journalists who literally denounce every critical report about Clinton as unfair and deceitful, and band together to malign the reporters who scrutinize the Clintons’ financial transactions. Those prominent voices combine with the million-dollar online army that supreme sleaze merchant David Brock has assembled to attack Clinton critics; as the Los Angeles Times reported in May: “Clinton’s well-heeled backers have opened a new frontier in digital campaigning, one that seems to have been inspired by some of the internet’s worst instincts. Correct the Record, a Super PAC coordinating with Clinton’s campaign, is spending some $1 million to find and confront social media users who post unflattering messages about the Democratic front-runner.”

Then a Kenneth Vogel tweet (who arguably IS brave this political season: see me about what he's published this year if curious)

He also has tweets from folks I don't read: Josh Barro, Jon Ralston, Alec MacGillis, and Maggie Haberman.

And here's part of the conclusion:

...Clinton supporters seem to genuinely believe that the media is actually biased against their candidate.
The reality is that large, pro-Clinton liberal media platforms — such as Vox, and the Huffington Post, and prime-time MSNBC programs, and the columnists and editorialists of the New York Times and the Washington Post, and most major New York-based weekly magazines — have been openly campaigning for Hillary Clinton. I don’t personally see anything wrong with that — I’m glad when journalists shed their faux objectivity; I believe the danger of Trump’s candidacy warrants that; and I hope this candor continues past the November election — but the everyone-is-against-us self-pity from Clinton partisans is just a joke.

Worth the eyeballs. Lots of good links.

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Not Henry Kissinger's picture

Contrary to Krugman’s purported expectation, countless Clinton-supporting journalists rushed to express praise for Krugman. Indeed, with very few exceptions, U.S. elites across the board — from both parties, spanning multiple ideologies — are aligned with unprecedented unity against Donald Trump. The last thing required to denounce him, or to defend Hillary Clinton, is bravery.

for his beltway courage is the best thing I've read all week.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

Hawkfish's picture

The only difference was it didn't appear to be censored.

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- Greta Thunberg

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He is awesome at justified verbal takedowns, both ironic and straight-up.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

Always the victim of RW thugs. Even Digby has an article in Salon saying no one can even name one lie. Do you remember Mike Malloy, the reliable anti-establishment left talker? I can't bear to listen to him anymore. Demanded my pod cast money back more to make an issue than the money. He's defending Hillary and attacking Greenwald and the rest of the Bernie people who are calling her out. Terror terror Trump!!! Malloy is streaming and off the radio. He's turned into a screaming, vulgar and demented old man.

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"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

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Please say it ain't so. Malloy is now defending Clinton and criticizing Greenwald? He used to be one of my favorite fiery Progressive voices. I guess he and Thom Hartmann got the memo, bought the fear.

Ton Haydn and Henry Louis Gates are but two of too many to recall who authored public statements or are on record having views that lineup almost 100% with Bernice but who formally endorsed Clinton. What a fucking sham this year has been.

I'm so disgusted with the media propaganda and lap dog spinelessness. It's trickling down to even some of my most intelligent friends. A lot of times I feel like I'm living in an alternate universe . Thank God for this place for my sanity.

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"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
WAS MUSIC"

- Kurt Vonnegut

I'm so disgusted with the media propaganda and lap dog spinelessness. It's trickling down to even some of my most intelligent friends.

Older people, who I seek advice from but who think the internet is a fad and won't question the corporate propaganda. It must be hard to acknowledge that we are being lied to and exploited for the benefit of a few rich people who are too busy enjoying their wealth and power to pay any attention to the downward spiral of the World that they are causing.

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Beware the bullshit factories.

Anja Geitz's picture

A lot of times I feel like I'm living in an alternate universe

The media have created an alternate universe for the useful idiots to live in while we are living in the tumble weed world of what is really going on in this election.

Welcome cowboy.

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There is always Music amongst the trees in the Garden, but our hearts must be very quiet to hear it. ~ Minnie Aumonier

is a necessary condition for Identity Politics.

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"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"

Shahryar's picture

where the question was raised about whether we'd be taken seriously if we used the b-word when talking about Hillary.

In truth (tell me if you disagree) any argument against Hillary would be received by the "serious people" as if we'd used the b-word. Whereas using a vulgarity to describe Trump would be seen as fine.

There is only "on the bandwagon" ("I'm with Her") or "off the bandwagon". "Off" can mean voting for Stein, Trump, no one, or even if you do vote for Hillary, if you're not overly enthusiastic then shut up! Or, as Hillary herself said to the press corps "You're supposed to say 'yes!'"

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Not Henry Kissinger's picture

And they mugged him anyway.

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

Shahryar's picture

they're good at attacking, I'll give them that.

Whereas Bernie didn't go after the emails.

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I don't really think it's a coincidence that that phrase recalls Dubya's words to the world regarding the US War on Terra.

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Only connect. - E.M. Forster

Not Henry Kissinger's picture

You're either with her or against her.

He's with her,

and her,

and her,

and her,

and her...

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

him,

and him,

and him ...

Let's not be heterosexist.

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Not Henry Kissinger's picture

Bill is straight.

Or do you know something I don't?

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The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?

It seems to me that someone with apparently uncontrollable sexual impulses would go to wherever the.action might be found or taken.

Also, don't forget that the '80s - when the Clintons began their ascent of power, political and otherwise - was the decade of notorious coke-fueled swingers' parties.

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Only connect. - E.M. Forster

These days it appears that Bill is a bit crooked.

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Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?

snoopydawg's picture

at Hillary.
I don't remember which women they were commenting on but more than one of the prominent members called her the b word and it got 20 recs. A few people called him out on it and he doubled down.
Many of the women supported his comment including Wee Mama.
I flagged it, but it didn't make a difference.

As for the topic of this essay, Glenn is right. The media is fully in the tank for Hillary and anything that is said against is is right wing talking points, sexist, misogynist or my favorite saying from TOP
We are Hillary haters! Smile

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Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?

k9disc's picture

We are an anathema to their continued existence -- our political bent is an existential threat to the "serious people" and to the "serious people" system they wallow in.

I think the question is will it resonate with the People, who are the jury when it comes to public political discourse. I think the answer is yes.

There is a problem with attacking systemic issues that "kill or harm millions" in a dispassionate, intellectual manner. Bernie was smashing here.

He didn't use vulgarity, but his ideas were quite vulgar to "serious people". He was visibly angry and threw blows like a moral septuagenarian in public office should.

Too bad he was so easily brought to heel. It seems he was dispassionate and that his head was stronger than his heart -- obviously the system isn't so bad...

Matching rhetoric, values, and action is key. Democrats have failed here miserably. "Healthcare for all... Now go shop on the markets for health insurance with a $5000 deductible or pay fine." It just doesn't follow.

It needs to follow.

The "serious people" will malign us regardless of our message. Will the People listen to that kind of message? Does that kind of rhetoric fit with the values and action?

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

She is always the victim, never the villain. For her or agin her.

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josb's picture

Banking on people's sympathy.

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Thaumlord-Exelbirth's picture

The epitome of the "white privilege" that her supporters accuse everyone who refuses to vote for her of having.

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Alligator Ed's picture

actually believe the crap they are spewing. They have all drunk the cool-aid (to use vernacular) and they DO think it's the world against poor Hillary. If you want to see what's in the vacuous heads of these inner HillBots, you need go no further than Wolf Spritzer, Molding Maddow, Chuck Clod etc. Saul Drugman is quite the knight in shining armor for slaying dragon's that don't exist with his crafty wordplay about--the Enemies.

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Got a Link, Paul?

Now, any operation that raises and spends billions of dollars creates the potential for conflicts of interest. You could imagine the Clintons using the foundation as a slush fund to reward their friends, or, alternatively, Mrs. Clinton using her positions in public office to reward donors. So it was right and appropriate to investigate the foundation’s operations to see if there were any improper quid pro quos. As reporters like to say, the sheer size of the foundation “raises questions.”

But nobody seems willing to accept the answers to those questions, which are, very clearly, “no.”

Can he just say it like that?

I mean, the Clinton Foundation is really pretty shady when it comes to charitable work. Probably more akin to a religious industry group than a charity.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

His logic is absurd. He is saying, in essence, because Clinton has not been convicted of a crime, she is therefore flawless. Comey clearly stated that any other person would have been fired and suffered consequences for keeping private records of confidential information. He declined to recommend prosecution, and therefore according to Krugman's logic she did no wrong.

The press is not reporting on innuendo. She is clearly a very seriously defective politician. Where most good politicians are motivated by public service and public ethics, she has no use for those principles. It's all about her ambition. She pushes way beyond any ethically defensible position and then obfuscates. Just a few facts. More than 50% of private meetings with her as Secretary were preceded by large contributions to the Clinton Foundation. Is that how we grant access to our government? In many cases this was followed by her approval of deals with the principles, as in arms to Saudi Arabia, and Uranium to Russia. She really did lie to Congress and the FBI. This is not innuendo, as in Al Gore's case, but hard facts just short of putting her in prison .... yet.

Krugman is yet another sycophant contributor to the Clintons, at least in using his position at the NYT to excuse her prevarications, obfuscations, violations of the law, and her extreme war mongering. Is he applying for a position in her administration? Krugman's conversion to a "liberal" was always phony, it was basically a reaction to the Bush administration. I have never seen him support a truly liberal position, as in Single Payer.

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Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

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It frustrates me no end when that expression is used as an argument for "no conviction = no wrongdoing." That's not what it means. It means, in our legal system, we presume the accused is innocent until they are convicted, meaning that, for example, we avoid punishing them until after they are convicted. This is in contrast to the old days, when the accused were assumed to be guilty, and you could put them on the rack to extract their confession from them for the sake of their immortal soul!

The wrongdoing exists independent of a legal prosecution and conviction - we are under no obligation to pretend otherwise. And I certainly retain the right to hold political leaders to a higher standard than "never convicted of anything "!

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

MsGrin's picture

...hope not. Wink

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

We thought she was hideous in 2008, and that was without David Brock.
This is their LAST CHANCE. No holds barred, any cliche you can think of.
Desperation. "Nothing in the world matters except getting the Clintons back into the White House."
More than enough money to do, say, anything they want to do, no shame, no morality, no ethics.

People desperate to keep their own positions, access, power, money, you name it - we're fighting a well paid, experienced, army of sycophants with no concerns about anything but winning, maintaining their own power.

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Alligator Ed's picture

Even Saddam Hussein had his loyalists.

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lotlizard's picture

that they not get it; all the more reason for us to do whatever it takes to keep it out of their hands.

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On Twitter, Krugman is awarding himself a medal for valor for simply repeating the Establishment Media consensus that this is no time to commit journalism - everyone is all in for Hillary except Faux News Channel and right-wing radio.

Glenn Greenwald:

[T]he everyone-is-against-us self-pity from Clinton partisans is just a joke. They are the dominant voices in elite media discourse, and it’s a big reason why Clinton is highly likely to win.

Hillary's epic coughing fits on Monday provided us with a scorecard on which websites are "with her" -- those are the ones that unanimously declared the coughing "not news" despite the fact it was the most newsworthy thing about the Clinton campaign that day.

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"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."

I literally agree with everything Glen wrote.

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Neither Russia nor China is our enemy.
Neither Iran nor Venezuela are threatening America.
Cuba is a dead horse, stop beating it.

MsGrin's picture

Once the coup is complete:

Heads will roll. People will lose necessary services. Brown and other 'little' people will be fodder.

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

press support for one candidate over another amounts to an in-kind donation, and a not inconsequential one.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

k9disc's picture

Of course I support Candidate X. Read this knowing that.

Pretty simple to do.

Krugman, and most political reporters without an axe to grind can't seem to do that though. I wonder why?

It seems pretentious and fake to me.

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“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu

Cant Stop the Macedonian Signal's picture

Nothing in [Hillary's] campaign compares to Trump’s deport-11-million-people or ban-all-Muslim policies, or his attacks on a judge for his Mexican ethnicity, etc.

Um...election fraud? Libya? Honduras? Haiti? WTF are you talking about, Glen?

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

CSTS...don't you know those are all just rightwing talking points that justify the 30 years of persecution poor poor Hillary has suffered? You don't really believe those things do you?? /s

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Alligator Ed's picture

other people in front of her, so that she'll be protected when the shooting starts. She is BRAVE, isn't she. She ought to get the Krugman medal of valor.

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Anyone who isn't embedded in the corporatist media can see that there is deliberately no real reporting about much of anything. What passes for coverage is all about enhancing the profitability of the sponsors and advertisers. This includes those who invested in certain political figures so that in a couple of years they will answer the phone when called.

Thom Hartmann is of the opinion (supported independently by Brad Friedman) that the media is busy "levelling" the polling between Hillary and The Donald as a means of forcing both camps to spend more of their treasure on ads carried by the corporatist, for-profit "news" outlets. IIRC, someone here recently covered how the "news" became just another profit-center for media outlets. Now, they are willing (apparently) to manipulate our electoral processes just so that they can squeeze the candidates.

Wasn't this once called "extortion" when the Mob did it?

In any case, attempting to expect the media to do the job Krugman suddenly wants accomplished only shows that he'd be better of waiting for that Wall Street icon, More Dough.

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Vowing To Oppose Everything Trump Attempts.

MsGrin's picture

EVEN IF a reporter asks a good question, the candidate or surrogate response is always that TRUMP is dangerous and Hillary has been the most vetted, transparent, sainted candidate EVAH!

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'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member