The Spoiler Effect and similar fallacies (Quiz included)

This fallacy keeps popping up during US elections even though it is clearly multiply self contradictory and oxymoronic.

The gist of the "spoiler effect" argument is that a vote for some candidate c is perforce a vote for candidate a because it is not a vote for candidate b. Other than its blinding silliness, this is strangely reversible insofar is it relies on an implicit general rule that not voting for x is a vote for y. Hence, voting for c is not voting for a and ergo voting for b BUT, voting for c is, likewise, not voting for b and hence voting for a.

Underlying this silliness is a simple false dichotomy. It is obvious that there are more than two possible choices if there are, in fact, more than two possible choices. Even voting for neither by not voting at all is, in fact, a third choice.

If we return to the first position, that not voting for x is voting for y, we also get an endless circularity. Voting for neither is a deemed vote for a because it isn't a vote for b, and a deemed vote for b because it isn't a vote for a, but that is a vote for both and either the two votes cancel, resulting in no vote, which is a vote for a because blah blah and a vote for b because blah blah, or it is an invalid vote and hence a vote for neither and hence a vote for a because blah blah and also a vote for b because blah blah, etc.

For 30% of your grade, does this sound more like
a) Jean Genet
b) Eugene Ionesco
c) Alfred Jarry
d) Abbot & Costello

Please be prepared to defend your answer

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TheOtherMaven's picture

which is a nonstop flood of non-sequiturs fitted into an endless loop. (I read it - in French as well as in English.)

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There is no justice. There can be no peace.

enhydra lutris's picture

replies to this. It figures.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

detroitmechworks's picture

Although it actually sounds a bit like a different routine.

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkbQDEXJy2k]

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I do not pretend I know what I do not know.

Thaumlord-Exelbirth's picture

Then of course there's the classic "who's on first," which is constantly being parodied. I like the christmas special skits too, like the one where they're talking about Costello's christmas tree. "Did you seed it yourself?"
"Did I seed it? Sure, I seed it this morning, I seed it last night, I seed it every day!"

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Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy

snoopydawg's picture

For posting this video. It brings back such fond memories of my grandpa who loved these guys.
And Red Skelton who was just like him.
Grandpa had his own joke that took me years to get.

He would say to me, how long is a china man.
I'd say I didn't know
And he'd say that how long was his name.
And I'd say it was 7 letters long.

For years I thought he was asking me How long was a China man, not making it a statement.
Maybe you had to be there to get it as the saying goes.
But do it to your husband or a friend and see how it goes.

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Was Humpty Dumpty pushed?

Socialprogressive's picture

What makes up the other 70% of our grade?

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I'm great at multi-tasking. I can waste time, be unproductive, and procrastinate all at the same time.

enhydra lutris's picture

30% of a grade.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

Lily O Lady's picture

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

is a superstar in baseball.

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There is no such thing as TMI. It can always be held in reserve for extortion.

either not voting for trump or voting for Hillary, I don't think Hillary needs my vote, things are already "spoiled".
Alfred Jarry, because his neck of the woods is (one of the places) where troops are being sent.

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bygorry

enhydra lutris's picture

that Genet has garnered no votes yet. I'm partial to Jarry because of his pataphysics, a "science of imaginary solutions".

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

hecate's picture

to Jerry, myself.

it all rolls into one
and nothing comes for free
there's nothing you can hold
for very long

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thanatokephaloides's picture

what with all these republicans either not voting for trump or voting for Hillary, I don't think Hillary needs my vote, things are already "spoiled".

Stinking fucking rotten!

Wink

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

sojourns's picture

I'm writing in Peter Tosh.

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

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"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage

janis b's picture

I vote Ionesco. It's just too surreal ...

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hecate's picture

Just as light can be both a particle and a wave, so too can a vote for, say, Stein, also be a vote for The Hairball. Or The Mad Bomber. Or all three at once.

The candidates are also quantum. The Mad Bomber is a slavering warmonger with terminal brain syphilis, and also an earnest do-gooder who wants to Save the Children. The Hairball is a brave and bold crusader taking on the establishment, even as he is the quintessential establishment candidate, embodying the Great Wealth and Great Hate that have been the primary drivers of his party for the past 52 years.

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

hecate's picture

is a strange loop, cementing this campaign-season into eternal recurrence.

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enhydra lutris's picture

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

janis b's picture

That's another vote for Ionesco ; )

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enhydra lutris's picture

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

janis b's picture

about plank or Planck.

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elenacarlena's picture

Abbott & Costello.

Who's voting on first?

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enhydra lutris's picture

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That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

hecate's picture

i've been runnin' from side to side
now i know for sure
that both sides lie

[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGURVK9bMbw]

let's be free
let's see who cares

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