Oh go ahead. Go back and f with them.
Submitted by EdMass on Tue, 08/02/2016 - 1:43pm
Yes. The hive mind has run amok at ToP.
Me. I got blessed Mojo. Do I care that I expend the precious "political capital"? Have I been hidden? Yup.
Do I care? Nope. Can I stop? Nope.
Nope.
Just try giving a diarist counter analysis. It's hilarious.
Then the 100's of 2016 paid Brocksters show up.
Hell of a job to police ToP 24/7 . My guess not paid enough, but what do I know?
As Pyschodrew says "ek hornbeck" is my pilot. Oh, Momma Cat, crazed woman, but then again cool moniker.
Many have taken the pledge to never go back. Fine. you're missing a major flare out opp. Oh , go ahead. Do it. Let's have some fun?
Old Woman? Lovely filth? Aquatic Ceremonies? Come see the violence inherent in the system. Help I'm being repressed.
Comments
Why should I provide them entertainment?
I think hunting liberals is the pre-requisite for a merit badge of some kind...
Saaay, I know where I saw some Liberals... It was over at the DNC, really...
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsi-O8n8A7s]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
No not theirs, yours and ours...
Messing with the clueless has to have some intrinsic value?
I have been a Scout Leader at Summer Camp. 25 12 to 15 year old boys with sharp implements, fire and a bag of chocolate from mommy? What could go wrong? Heh!
Fire in the Hole!
Unless of course, that is not allowed.
;-(
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
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Firesign Theater
Stop the War!
TPW is getting to be a place for agitators
as well. I don't go to TOP at all, merely lurk a few minutes at TWP to read don midwests' comments.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
Yes, there are a few infiltrators there.
I've gotten into it with a particular person who is from TOP and feels he has to bully everyone about her heinous. What a dick. If he lurks here, I'm sure he'll chime in any minute now. My last run-in with him had him whining to Liepar "are you gonna let RA get away with that?" (stomping feet). He's such a baby. While I give him hell about his ignorant comments, I ignore his whining, which gives me enormous pleasure.
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11
I admire you for the intellectual rise to the occasion
but I do not have time to hunt for all the data that I would need to engage. I work. It is 7:07 here in Texas, and from the time I walked into my home at 5:20 p.m., I have taken 3 phone calls that were work-related, sucking up over an hour of what should be my time at home getting some rest from work. No doubt about it, after I feed my dogs, feed my horses, I will have work related texts or emails to read before I get ready for bed.
It is not fun to read you and others smack down shit heads because they are shit heads. They are a time suck when time, for me, is always of the essence. I skip over the arguments at TWP, and I am at the end of the comment thread.
That is exactly why I stopped going to TOP.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." ---- William Casey, CIA Director, 1981
What's TPW?
stand for?
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
The Progressive Wing.
Started by Liepar Destin as many of us Bernie supporters were looking for non-censored outlets (in addition to here and K4S) to discuss Progressive issues.
Thanks
Sad to hear the neoKossackons have invaded there.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
The only way
that TOP could have turned from a predominately left of center pro Sanders website into a festering heap of reactionary neolib/con garbage so fast is if Moulitas arranged to have his own website trolled.
The turnaround happened in a matter of days and that is just not how the internet works when left to its own devices.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
He guaranteed its demise with the anonymous flags
Especially when there were already organized gangs of vigilantes. No sane person would choose to remain in an environment like that.
I stop in for nostalgia value and it's just like visiting the old home town - you're revered alma mater looks so small. Did I really ever sit in one of those little desks?
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
I think it runs deeper
Making flagging anonymous meant that there was no way to put together patterns and that made it possible for a bunch of newbies to flood the system. Occam's razor points to those newbies being paid by Kos or someone contracted by him. There was no connection between what the website was and what it became. A change like that costs money and takes planning. It doesn't just happen due to a change in the ratings system or a change in site policy.
Another tidbit - Quantcast view numbers are currently going through the roof. That just doesn't happen under normal conditions - this is a very detailed plan - not some semi random results of a change of heart by a blog owner. There is a great story for an investigative journo to be had here.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Moulitsas trolled his own website.
That's exactly what he did. From the abomination known as DK5, to the implementation of anonymous flagging, finalized with the Ides of March Decree. In fact, it was that last one -- the Ides of March Decree -- which actually did the deed, expelling the entire body of honest Sanders supporters in one swift move. If debate had remained as open there as it was before the Decree, the other factors wouldn't have been enough to turn DK into -- as you put it so well -- "a festering heap of reactionary neolib/con garbage". But combine the Decree with anonymous flag enforcement, and you've got a working recipe right there.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
See reply above to Phoebe
I think that you have described the cover story, the one for public consumption. - the real story is potentially much more interesting.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
There is no "understory". None is required.
There doesn't need to be anything else. You get what you select for. That's a law of nature. And Moulitsas selected (harshly!) for a bunch of shallow neocon/neolib users -- and that's exactly what he got.
No conspiracy theory (or "understory" of any kind) is required. The visible narrative is quite sufficient to do what eventually was done.
If you seek external power to fuel the changes being discussed, do please remember that DK was always a nominally Democratic Party loyalist site, and the Democratic Party itself was selecting for neocon/neolibs at the times in question. Also please remember that Moulitsas himself is of that selfsame alignment, only leaving the Republican Party when the ilk of Clintons made his kind welcome among Democrats. (The original mistake.) All he had to do was "ride the tide", as it were.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
IMO, there is a huge understory....
How did all of the lefty bloggers and their blogs turn into mouth pieces for the DP starting with the Lieberman primary and Big Dog having them all to lunch at his digs in Harlem? It isn't just top. You can add in TPM and a few others. Coincidence? I don't think so.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I'm seeing more shares on facebook
Seeing stories from TOP shared on Facebook by some unlikely candidates. I think the grand bargain for kos was if he carried water for Hillary the establishment would finally embrace TOP. Once he got a million viewers, his focus has been all about making it more respectable, more legit. We used to love that place because it offered a refreshing alternative to Joe, Tweety, and Rachel. Kos used to hate it because the big kids always gave it the side eye.
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
Honest Hillary
HRC's Twitter alter ego had an amusing reaction to one of Little Marky's tweets:
Mercifully, it appears the character limit prevented him from concluding with a rousing USA! USA! USA!
inactive account
Priceless!!
Markos was only a Dem for convenience, it appears
I'm sure hearing "No more war!" drowned out by "USA! USA!" (as if the one is a response to the other in any reasonable universe) was music to his militaristic little ears. He and his fellow traveler, the Goldwater Girl, are home. In, of all places, the Democratic Party.
Twain Disciple
suspect that
he was always ready to sell out to the highest bidder. His spiritual roots are much more Silicon Valley than political in the old sense.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
ahhh the "real America" where have I heard that shit before?? nt
"Love One Another" ~ George Harrison
Remember when Kossacks were all over Republicans for
their claims of being the real Americans?
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
It's almost like
he doesn't realize that stuff on the internet is forever. All of his scathing comments and diaries about both the DNC and Clinton are all freely available. If he does realize and doesn't care he has employed a really bad long term strategy. Integrity will become a thing again at some point in the future.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
This is kind of off topic for
This is kind of off topic for this essay, but it goes hand in hand with folks going back to the GREAT ORANGE TOILET BOWL, which is distraction.
Spending time to go back to the TOP or writing negative diaries about Donald Trump are counter productive. Anyone still visiting the TOP is beyond help and cannot think rationally. Trump is a distraction spouting ridiculous statements to bait the base of the other party and force reluctant voters to support HRC. She could not win the election against the standard type candidates you have grown accustomed to seeing in the past.
She is the most dangerous candidate in my lifetime to run for the White House, JFK was the first President I remember and I lived through Watergate. Nixon had the greatest obsession with being President I had witnessed in my lifetime until now. His actions were more contained than HRC's lying, private e-mail server and manipulation of the DNC to block anyone else from challenging her. Her false sense of confidence in her foreign policy knowledge and skills make her very dangerous to our national security and world peace. When you add her contempt of progressive values and closed door speeches to high paying donors, our remnants of the New Deal and union movements are in serious peril.
Now is not the time to criticize Trump or blog at TOP, We must take to the newspapers, social media and friends thinking of supporting Clinton to warn them of this danger. Anyone thinking of voting for HRC is supporting a candidate who will destroy their way of living. The limousine liberals can waste their votes, but working class Americans will suffer if they waste their votes in defense against HRC.
This is likely being done here, Betterday
and chiding vocabulary will fail.
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My intent was not to chide
My intent was not to chide anyone. When polls indicate that 69% of Sander's supporters would support Clinton over Trump it is scary. She is incompetent and obsessed with power. We need to get this message of the danger of a Clinton Presidency.
There are two orange assholes in the media this year, and I do not give a damn about either one.
"polls"
Those. Polls. Are. MANUFACTURED. Do not fear them. They have no real grounding in anything resembling the truth.
As I've said before, they're clones. Hillary Clinton has better hair and more control over her mouth, but that's about it. They're both Republicans.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
I don't see the urgency
I'll always advocate for Stein/Baraka but not in a proselytizing way. I don't think it's going to be easy to change anyone's minds. Anyone voting for her heinous has been convinced Tribble will usher in Armageddon, and most people see it as a binary choice anyway.
I think the only thing that will wake the zombies is if we throw tomatoes.
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
I did F with them. Then this happened:
I challenged it gently. The moderator was nice enough (if defensive) to write back so I could see the comment. It was one where someone said the timing of the vaccines was still at issue. Even if the original commenter was wrong, I don't think that's CT, that's just a factual error. But the moderator who responded said that was the fourth "abuse" for me this year. I don't know. I don't take notes. Apparently they have it all written down in the Big Book of Bad Stuff.
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They report to Santa and it goes in his naughty/nice record.
Life is strong. I'm weak, but Life is strong.
BTW, how did Santa Claus appear before NORAD?
ca 3, I am sure I heard tiny hooves. I think there was a fireplace there. Johnson City, TN.
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We listened to the radio
People would call in when they saw Santa. Then after we got TV, he was reported on the weather maps. We were 30 miles East of Dallas so the stations had weather for us. Yeah, I'm old. formerTOP, Maybeeso in Michigan...
LOL! No, I don't think they have such high connections.
Wormwood is probably about as "high" as they go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Screwtape_Letters
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Sorry you are now banned. I have not ventured OT
to see if I am still NR. I have commented since, no trigger words I guess. I could care less now.
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No worries, not banned. Just NR for one month.
Worst part is I can no longer read hidden threads, which are some of the most entertaining.
So if anyone here writes there and gets into trouble, I can't uprate you. Be carefuller until September.
I don't intend to sit still while they smear Jill, so I may not be there much longer in any case.
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This is going on your PERMANENT RECORD!!
By the way, when did timing of vaccines become CT? I thought medical science was not yet certain what the best timing and order and interval is for vaccinations. When I was in boot camp in the Army, they gave us a whole bunch of vaccines but they were staggered so as not to overwhelm the immune system.
I thought like you, but I didn't look it up.
There's a bully group over there who will flag anything that displays any doubt about anything to do with vaccines. They label it all CT. At least one of them appears to have "earned" a moderator position. They told me that there were a whole bunch of comments below the original that explained all the studies that have proven the current timing is the best timing. But since they hid the original poster and I can't read hidden threads, I have no idea what they say. This is the problem with hiding people you disagree with, if you have a good point nobody sees it!
But like I said, I think it's just a misstatement of fact at the most, if it's not true, and I don't take that group's word for anything. If I had a small child, I'd investigate it independently. Since I don't, I don't care enough to look it up. I was uprating someone trying to make what sounded to me like a reasonable point.
Now, of course, the anti-anti-vaccine bullies intersect with the Hillbot bullies because Jill Stein said, in effect, that she thinks she understands why the anti-vax parents have concerns. So it gives them a club to hit Jill with. And since she has the audacity to run against Her Heinous, any club is a good club. The kitchen sinks will now fly again. And if it turns everyone off to Hillary, that's our fault, not theirs.
As for the permanent record that counts, I figure every time I fight a smear and wrestle a bully to silence, I earn a gold star.
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Collapsing as a strategy
When Newsvine was going through it's troll infestation, one tactic they would use is to post an inflammatory comment. If it derails the condo, that's good, but if someone is able to effectively refute the comment, even better, because then the trolls pile onto the first comment and collapse the thread and presto! you've just wasted your time.
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
Collapsing as a strategy
When Newsvine was going through its troll infestation, one tactic they would use is to post an inflammatory comment. If it derails the convo, that's good, but if someone is able to effectively refute the comment, even better, because then the trolls pile onto the first comment and collapse the thread and presto! you've just wasted your time.
“He may not have gotten the words out but the thoughts were great.”
They take themselves way to seriously ...
It's a web site ... no dearth of those.
That is the truth. I was more amused than anything.
It's nice to have a big audience, but other Web sites will grow that too.
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Clinton Good - Trump Bad
That is the extent of dialogue at TOP and has been for weeks. Place reads like a cheap tabloid. I've no doubt Kos is losing his shirt and would not be surprised to see his operation financially fail completely in the not too distant future. He claims to have fifty employees but how many of them are actually paid? I have my doubts that the IT dept. is paid commensurate with other presumably professional blog/news feed op-ed sites. The bounce rate as indicated by Alexa is about 60%. Daily page views are 2.40 per visitor. Average time spent there per visitor is just over five minutes.
Whatever it was, it's not worth the bandwidth it consumes anymore.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
Interesting stats.
Average time spent per visitor of 5 minutes sounds good at first blush until you consider how many people just stay logged in whether they're actively viewing the site or not. And page views of 2.4 per visitor sucks big time, as it means people may see the home page, read one diary and then leave.
Exactly.
I should send him an envelope full of monopoly money.
"I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones."
John Cage
I just looked up bounce rate and it's who leaves after reading
just one page, so that 60% number is even worse. It means they look at the TOC and find zero to read!!
I saw one bunch of stats that tracks where Kos readers came from and went to, so since then I've been coming here first, then going there, then coming back here, just so they'll know that this is my priority, and shortly after I get there, they chase me away again.
Some of the bullies would be delighted, but if Kos ever wants traffic it should make him nuts.
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I consider myself 100% totally recovered
and haven't logged in over there for ages. A post like this is like offering cigs to a reformed smoker in a bar or opening a bag of Cheese Doodles at a Weight Watchers Meeting or tapping a keg at an AA meeting. It really is not a good thing and yet I'm drawn like a moth to a flame. I hate that I rose to the bait. But then, I have been known to watch Bridezilla at 5:00 am. It's just as irresistible and bad for you and yet enjoyable in a horrible self-degrading sort of way.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
What this post endeavors to be like
Actually, it's more like going into an AA meeting with the intent of finding Carrie Nation there.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Sorry, PL. Man, Cheez Doodles sounds fantastic right about now!
Do whatever best keeps you sane. 'Sall good.
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It is 'salgood.
My only regret is my suitcase full of jokes about what that place has become that will remain forever in the "lost luggage" bin.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
Ha! You can unpack them here. I'm sure they're still relevant.
We'll let you know if the situation improves. Not likely until at least November.
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EdMass strikes again!
Prof: Nancy! I’m going to Greece!
Nancy: And swim the English Channel?
Prof: No. No. To ancient Greece where burning Sapho stood beside the wine dark sea. Wa de do da! Nancy, I’ve invented a time machine!
Firesign Theater
Stop the War!