Bernie is Now a Hellery-Bro (Face The Nation interview)
Bernie has been out on the talk show circuit talking up Hellery ever since his endorsement. Even after he sat stone faced at the Hellery Coronation last week, he was back on teevee yesterday preaching "Hellery believes 'this', Hellery believes 'that'" (fill in some progressive policies that Hellery will never try to advance). This Face The Nation interview yesterday was a prime example.
I still like Bernie and give him credit for raising awareness about the corrupt US Govt and starting the Revolution. But I will not follow him down the path of voting for Hellery. If you are still holding out hope that Bernie will do anything other than Campaign Hard for Hellery, you need to listen closely to this interview.
"We have over 13 million people who supported my candidacy. And I have no doubt that there are some of those people who will not vote for Hillary Clinton," Sanders said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "But I would say that the vast majority of them -- and I think as the campaign progresses and people take a hard look at the issues -- I think more and more of those people will come on board Sec. Clinton's campaign."
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"I would ask ... of my supporters to get away from the personality conflicts that media tries to bring forward and focus on the real issues impacting the American people," Sanders continued. "And when you do that, I think the choice is pretty clear and that is that Hillary Clinton is far and away the superior candidate."
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-some-of-my-supporters-will-no...
Note: The intent of this post is not to berate Bernie. It is to awaken the Bernie holdouts to the fact that Bernie has moved on now. And I fully expect the "Revolution Rally" Bernie has planned at the end of August will be a Hellery pep rally.
PS Go Greens!!
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Coupla things
*Hillary is far and away the superior candidate (if you're confining it to Clinton v Trump and even then some find her scarier on the world stage due to her hawkish tendencies) She is not superior to Stein, IMO.
*Bernie is setting her up for The Big Betrayal. That's why he is framing everything in the "Hillary believes" mode. He's implying, this is what she's telling me and this is what she's telling you. He's giving himself a giant out the first time she repudiates anything he is ascribing to her.
Hillary is really going to have to watch her P & Qs about the agenda, because the first time she veers away, Sanders and any liberal contingent will have to jump all over it.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
Hellery Will Say Anything To Get Elected
That's a given. Once in office she will abandon her campaign speeches with NO REMORSE. Just like Obama did.
So even if you are right that Bernie thinks he is setting her up, it makes little difference (IMO). And these talks shows will affect the minds of low information voters. They will believe Bernie when he says "Hellery Believes...". So from that perspective Bernie is eroding the Revolution.
Personally, I don't buy into all the 11 dimensional arguments. I think he is genuinely campaigning for Her, probably to keep his power in the senate intact.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Whatever he's doing, there IS a reason
either to stave off a threat or something. But Bernie is a man of integrity and I count on him to look after us. He would not do otherwise. He'll let them annihilate him in other ways before he disavows us, that's just the kind of person he is.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
He is drawing the Revolution into the Dem Party Snake Pit
where the corrupt dems will strangle it like a boa constrictor. That ain't helping. The only thing that will save the US is for both of these corrupt parties to die on the vine. That's what I believe.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
They will not go down without a fight. And they have the MSM
on their side.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
He's drawing something into the Snake Pit
but it ain't the Revolution:
http://caucus99percent.com/content/interesting-bernie-did-not-nominate-c...
I caught this when Sanders did it, and I knew it was somehow different, but I never really got back to trying to verify what was important about it it last week. The link has a good explanation. If he's actually on record with that, then the poster may be correct (and goodness knows, it was tweeted and retweeted as it happened, so it's definitely on record, and probably on tape).
Interesting... Went to the
Interesting... Went to the link and got:
Page not found
The requested page "/content/interesting-bernie-did-not-nominate-clinton-acclimation" could not be found.
It's amazing the way that articles Clinton wouldn't like seem to disappear, although not sure if they'd be able to do that here?
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Page is still here, on the "Comunity Content" list
so there must be something wrong with the URL.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
The title was edited...
"acclimation" was changed to "acclamation".
The aware/Revolution will
The aware/Revolution will never vote for Hillary, and Bernie knows this. He's risking himself toward some greater good - always with very careful phrasing, but bringing/keeping the ideals of an actual democracy (which takes care of its own) before those Americans restricted to the corporate media propaganda machine and unaware of reality, without his being shut out of the media again.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Bernie and birdie gave us wings. Use them. Vote conscience.
For me, that means Stein, at least now. I can adapt quickly, something apparently not ascribed to >60 y/o women. We are an invisible force when together.
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@Phoebe Hillary wouldn't be the superior candidate
if she was the only one running.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
@dkmich I agree with you
And the plan of the DNC was that she was supposed to be the only one running. They scared off everyone else by lining up the superdelegates, getting those endorsement letters, and lining up the entire machine behind her. For that reason alone, I find BOTH HER AND THE PARTY insupportable. They did everything in their power to usurp the American electoral process. I don't know why people don't get that. Bernie and his windmill joust, God love him, threw a wrench in their works. But think of it, before he appeared, Americans would have had literally no voice whatsoever in who was the Democratic candidate. (Sorry to ignore O'Malley - I admire his guts in bucking the system as well).
When I said she was superior, I was interpreting the Bernie words quoted in the essay, but I find her completely unacceptable as well for a large number of reasons.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
@phoebe I know, just fooling around with you. :D
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
And when the American people
And when the American people spoke, the Dems/DNC cheated them out of their voice/votes in every possible way and lied like crazy...
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
This is 11th dimensional chess silliness imho.
Bernie is doing what he's said he'd do the entire primary: support the nominee of the Democratic Party. We really have no good reason to try to read between the lines or guess at some ulterior political tactic. Bernie's a pretty honest fellow and means what he says thus far.
That is absolutely my read
Bernie has been very clear from day 1 that he thought a Democratic win was essential and he would support the Democratic nominee. I am dismayed that when he goes ahead and does exactly as he said he would (as I would expect an honorable person to do), suddenly we are either doing 11 dimensional chess theories or else declaring him a sell-out.
If he is a sell-out now then he always was and I don't understand why people backed him from the beginning.
That being said, my vote goes to Stein.
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
Exactly.
"Hillary believes, as we do, blah blah blah... "
One, Bernie knows damn well Hillary believes no such thing.
Then why say it?
Two, as Phoebe suggests, it gives Bernie an out. At the very least it forces her to move Left. If she doesn't - and she likely won't - then it frees Bernie to get on with the business he started. Politically brilliant, becuz Hillary loses either way, and he comes away smelling like a rose. Instead of flipping her off with a big F.U.! at the Convention he forces her to move Left as he continues on the Talk Show circuit blabbing away. "But, Bernie, isn't Hillary to the Right of you on these issues?" "No, her campaign is about championing these issues... "
Just ask her. Ha! Take THAT, HRC!
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I suspect that Bernie knows
I suspect that Bernie knows that Hillary won't 'move left' - but as she continually shows her true colours, Americans will have the picture of a potential decent life Bernie's held up before their eyes, which Hillary will label as something the world's wealthiest country can't do for its people, when even much poorer countries have managed it.
There will then be a comparison between what could be achieved and what Hillary wants to do - bomb/invade lots of other countries using their kids and tax-money, the latter of which is to otherwise flow upward even more rapidly to those who already have most and that's not even getting to the corporate coup 'trade deals' or to the distinct possibility of Mutual Assured Destruction already being set in motion, all 'ready for Hillary'.
But if Bernie doesn't 'campaign for Hillary' while damning her with carefully phrased faint praise, that message is suppressed and all the people hear is the corporate propaganda 'pragmatic necessary sacrifice' of the people and environment for the further enrichment of Those Who Matter.
Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.
A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.
Or he's playing tic-tac-toe to block Trump.
whom he sincerely seems to believe is the Worst Of All Evils. This may be blinding him to the ways in which Her Heinous is the Worst Of All Evils - or he may think Trump is still worse because Trump.
Drat - this was supposed to be a reply to CitizenOfEarth.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Bernie is presenting Hellery as a Progressive
which is not true by any stretch. So that is not just implying 'lesser of two evils'. It is implying she will be very progressive, which I ain't buying.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Thought Bern went back to being Independent
So, he's going full-bore Hillary on talk shows now? Talk about cognitive dissonance! And Bern didn't intend to reveal DNC and Clinton corruption. That oozed out of the woodwork all by itself. I think he ran solely to talk up the issues facing our country and to highlight how far we've strayed from the guiding principles of the Democratic party. I also think he never thought he had an electoral chance in hell, and was shocked when he started winning.
Didn't we all realize he made a pledge like this to get his slot
speaking prime time? This behavior does not surprise me, cognitive dissonance or no.
I have come to believe this, too:
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
It’s kind of dishonest to suggest that “personality conflicts”
and not “real issues” (such as war and peace!) are what cause people to reject Hillary.
Right. Being a War Monger is not a Personality Flaw
It's a Moral Flaw.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
That was my first thought as well.
Yes, and it belittles and insults
just what he did do to wake up a large part of the electorate. Putting it all down to "personality" is damned near a flat out lie, and gives the Shills an "out" to say that Berner's just don't like Hillary for personal reasons - ie, she's female, we all bought into the vast right wing conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.
As for him retaining any power in the Senate, I have a real hard time thinking any of our ConservaDems will do anything to help him there - why should they if the get their standard bearer and mentor in office? As for Repukes, the only help they'll give is to most likely attempt Impeachment, and that means nothing at all gets done but maybe another war or two, they can always vote for that. And privatization of our SS to fill Wall Streets greedy coffers.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Sounded like attempt to minimize & trivialize our concerns. EOM
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Progressive values/issues have been abandoned by Clinton and the
Democratic Party. It may be that Bernie is trying to keep them from disappearing down the Memory Hole The Party has created with full cooperation from the MSM. Dems would make such ideas unthinkable.
Planned Parenthood is already reworking their abortion rights stand to align with VP candidate Tim Kaine. A prominent civil rights icon denounced "free stuff." Soon such once commonly held beliefs will fade from public memory as the Overton Window continues to be shifted rightward.
Orwell foresaw the Memory Hole. Now we are watching it in action.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
Hell, The Matrix introduced us to the memory hole
and gave suggestion of superhuman powers to battle back. Blade Runner, too. Not that we can all s l o w time, but we can give it a try, we already accomplished so much with Sanders' candidacy.
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I was introduced to the Memory Hole in "Nineteen
Eighty-Four" by George Orwell. It was protagonist Winston Smith's job to feed inconvenient facts into it for the good of The Party which allowed them to stay in power so that they could continue to exercise power.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
He quickened an extraordinary mindfulness in the population.
A majority of the American people — the Millennials, a broad swathe of Independents, and the US working class who are not represented by any political party — cannot unsee what is now part of their consciousness. Will they unite and seize their final opportunity to throw off their oppressors?
The world continues to turn, and now Bernie is just another piece on the political chessboard — along with Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, Big Party muckymucks, has-been Presidents, Emergent-Party candidates, self-nominated candidates, and a compliment of unelected Operatives and Corporate Proxies. For the next three months they will all be pushed around the board, advanced or sacrificed, by two Powerful Opponents — the Corporate Overlords and the American people.
Will the people's fears chase them back into the tunnel of denial and incrementalism, and grant Empire the final win?
I like to think Bernie did the right thing when he woke the People up and showed them what had been done to them. Over the next 90 days, the future is the People's to surrender.
I agree.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
It feels like it though
It feels like the intent of this post is to berate Bernie. That's how it feels.
It's like someone who feels the need to trash their ex husband. Do you really think that when Jill/Nina 2016 start moving and gaining momentum, that he is going to stay with Mrs. Clinton? I think he is unhappily doing shit that is expected of him for the moment.
I guess we just have different opinions. Did you ever go and hear Bernie speak? That sealed it for me. I would never be questioning his character after that.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
No. the intent is
No. the intent is
to convince people not to follow Bernie into the bowels of Hellery Hell.
I have been as big a Bernie supporter as anyone here. Go read any of my essays prior to his Hellery endorsement.
I get it. Everyone is going thru grief stages at their own pace. Peace out.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
OK . . . no bowels of Hellery Hell
I promise I won't!!!
I still don't think Bernie is going there either. Wish he wasn't saying all that shit, but my bet is that it won't last long. That's when it would really suck . . . if it doesn't stop soon.
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Not to mention, we should NOT forget
that not every Bernie supporter is out on a site like this where actual debate about his positions is going on. There are just enough "Liberals" who watch those damned shows and still think the MSM is somewhat honest. For Bernie to get up there and act in any way, shape or form as if they are is disingenuous at best. There are simply too many who very well may be swayed by watching that mess and even Bernie has got to know that. We can think death threats all we want and that may very well be true, but how could he not prepare himself for that in even thinking of going up against this kind of entrenched and absolute power? I don't get it and I wish he would stop, but that's just me.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
Aside reference to LOTR, he is willing to self-sacrifice
for the Movement. I will stay angry, I have professional grief practice now.
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Why are you so completely vested in doing so
when nobody (or at maximum, very very few) here intends to do that anyway?
Yes . . . I don't get that part either . . .
Jill/Nina 2016
Marilyn
"Make dirt, not war." eyo
Because Bernie is planning this "Revolution Continues" event
at the end of August. And it is distracting some people from fully supporting and committing to third parties. Greens are still not on the ballot in a bunch of states. Maybe Bernie supporters would lend a hand in that if they are not frozen like Deer In The Headlights waiting for Bernie's next proclamation.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
Like who?
Who is pushing this shit?
MSM?
Try ignoring them. They lie. Demonstrably. Repeatedly.
I have one question and one queston only about Our Revolution
and The Revolution Continues and any offshoot of the Bernie Sanders Movement in the Democratic Primary of 2016.
Is it an effort to change the party from within or to create a new Party and/or build a coalition with the Greens?
If it's the first, I'm out. I already been anesthetized with Progressive Caucuses and Progressive Patriots and More and Better so I don't have any interest in injecting myself with more morphia about the Dems and their intentions.
If it's the second, I'm interested and I would like to see concrete movement to get candidates for this party on the ballots to oppose both Dems and Rs during the 2018 midterms.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
Could it possibly be first one (sorta) and
then the other?
IIRC Bernie said in a recent (last 5 days or so) interview that he's going back to being the senator from VT, from where he will carry out the remaining 2 years of his term as an Independent. That is how he was elected to his current term. In follow up the interviewer asked whether Bernie would run again for another term as VT senator. Bernie answered something positive sounding. The interviewer then asked whether in that run, Bernie would join the dem party for that (future) campaign? Now Bernie answers something like "We'll see."
I took this to be his indication that if, on the outside, among the people who have supported him and others who join up--if, a third party is organized enough and is in place with sufficient institutional presence and sufficient funding and so on, and again, my sense is that this third party could well be Greens, then Bernie's leaving the door open to run for another term as VT senator on that third party ticket.
We have our work cut out for us!
So some people are frozen trying to decide.
What difference does it make? Barring something that is beyond any measurable probability this election is a lost cause for progressives. I'm not advocating crawling under a rock until 2020. Far from it. I will vote for and support Jill Stein. I will also support Bernie because I think he has more for us than most here are willing to give him credit. Jill Stein will still not win the presidency but any and all work for her and with Bernie gets us closer to a time when we do have a reasonable chance to win elections. Those who are stuck will figure it out when it is spelled out for them. It takes some of us more time to process all of the chaos and choose.
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
If Hillary isn't defeated, you'll be in a shooting war
…with Russia. The path forward will be blocked by the new hot/cold war until long after Bernie is gone. We must fear Trump because he refuses to shoot at Russia. He wants to talk, instead, like Kerry. That's a lot of what the Trump terror program is all about.
There is nothing wrong with posting transcript excerpts
at C99P--I do it all the time.
IMO, any print media, or video that points folks in the direction of discovering the facts or reality, over parsing of words and pure speculation, is welcome, here.
And, I can't think of a better source, than an interview with the person him- or herself.
That's why I listen to the Sunday Talk Shows--not to get the views of the ridiculous corporatist round table shills, but to see what our lawmakers say, when they're in front of a national (as opposed to a partisan) audience.
Mollie
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage."--Lao Tzu
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Free Bernie!
On the bright side, I think he's doing Hillary more harm than good.
Every time he gives one of these Patty Hearst interviews, another bunch of Demexiters get their wings.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Perfect way to describe this vibe that something is “off”
"Get away from personality conflicts . . . ."?
What personality conflicts? I don't dislike HRC because of what I take to be her personality. I dislike her because of her stance on issues together with her past actions when she has been in government. Trump seems to wear his personality on his sleeve, but politicians in campaign-mode are permanent performers, so, who knows about their personality?
The only "personality" characteristic that makes sense in Bernie's statement is: trust. That's not exactly a personal quality, so I should maybe say "trustworthiness." But maybe at the heart of Bernie's statement lies a recognition that everyone, by this time, should share: We are talking about politicians here, not about friends and family. They (the pols) are called "representatives" but what they represent are "interests", not "the good" and not "the people." Trusting a politician in a "representative democracy" such as we have, will only get you deceived and disappointed.
In other words, if a politician says "X" and we "trust" her/him to get "X" done if s/he is elected (sorry--lots of scare quotes!), then we're setting ourselves up for a fall. Because "getting things done" in our form of the state means negotiating your way successfully through a stinking swamp of conflicting "interests." And who can say with certainty in advance how that negotiation will turn out?
So the most that you can trust a politician to do, is to make an attempt, attempt to get legislation passed that reflects the policies on which the pol campaigned. You can trust him/her or you can not trust him/her to use all their political skills to work in a certain direction.
I think most of us have realized that you need a hammer if you're going to turn the government that we have against the humungous interests of corporate and personal wealth. You need to elect a pol who is also a hammer. And also who is smart. Hillary is not a hammer, she's a war-monger. Trump is not a hammer, he's a sadist. Jill's got most of the right positions, and she sounds more like a hammer every day. . . ., and Nina might join forces.
Bernie campaigned in the primary like the hammer. I think that was why so many people woke up and paid attention. "Maybe this guy can actually get something good accomplished in the stinking swamp of interest-politics that we have to live with." He's a fighter. That's trust. That's what gets labeled "personality." But that's also aesthetics--we didn't just like Bernie's policy statements and analysis, we also responded to how he presented himself, how he spoke, his tone of voice, his body language, the force of his appearance. It's not personality, it's aesthetics.
What is so jarring, then, as evidenced in the Face the Nation interview that CoE posted, is that Bernie now appears to be anything but a hammer. In fact, he appears to be just the opposite--a lapdog for the dem party establishment. The aesthetics are now all wrong. If we're going to trust this politician, we're going to have to ground our ongoing trust in something besides the aesthetics.
We're going to have to trust that he's capable, and that he's smart. Qualities other than personality. If we trust that he's going to fight the good fight in the senate, no matter who is the prez, then we have to recognize that his fight, though it won't be easy in any circumstances, will be a lot bleaker if Trump--backed up by a Tea Party congress--has the reins.
I guess this comment turns out to be a rant! Apologies to those who don't like rants!
I'm not listening to him anymore.
I'm done with him. He ain't from my state and has no further bearing on my life. Good Job engaging some other voters, but I ain't buying or listening to the sheepdog routine.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
I totally agree. Sanders could have given a pro forma
endorsement and then said it's been a long campaign season and he's taking a vacation until the Senate is called back to order.
Anything more than that was and is unwarranted, in my view.
"The justness of individual land right is not justifiable to those to whom the land by right of first claim collectively belonged"
I concur, duckpin. And I defended him for not standing
up more forcefully to the Dem Party Establishment, because of his somewhat advanced age, and the powerful tools that Leadership could use against him to destroy him politically, career-wise, and possibly financially.
Of course, it could be that Bernie would do just fine without his congressional/senatorial pension, etc. Clearly, it's pure speculation on my part that he might need that pension, and other federal retiree benefits, in order to live out a decent and secure retirement. No crystal ball, here.
Anyhoo, the only thing that I would ask of him, is that he not 'vigorously' campaign for FSC--which he said he would do, yesterday.
(btw, that was his choice of words, not mine)
I am very concerned that millions of low information voters will not be able to discern the difference between what Bernie stands for, and what FSC 'believes.'
Time will tell.
Mollie
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength, while loving someone deeply gives you courage."--Lao Tzu
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Like Orson Welles going from Citizen Kane to Paul Masson wine
Sad to see, but the wine commercials didn't negate his previous greatness, you knew he just had to pay the bills.
Bernie is paying the bill for running as a Democrat. I'm hoping he is in the editing process and cutting another CK in his basement.
" “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR "
Bernie Is Secretly Rooting For Jill Stein
For practical reasons - i.e., not being turned into an outcast and pariah in the US Senate - Bernie is being forced to pretend that he's supporting Hillary Clinton. However, as this explosive photograph makes clear (apparently it was just today that the invisible ink finally became legible), his true loyalties actually lie elsewhere.
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Have you ever had a dog who has been beaten
or otherwise mistreated? I've had several fosters and now have a pit who were moderately to severely mistreated. Sam, my wife's greatest champion, was one of her last rescues before the rescue thing became to much for her. He'd been pulled from a kill shelter in GA in the nick of time. At about a year and a half old he'd been tied up to a tree with a heavy chain day and night while the bastard who owned him tried to get him to fight. He is a lover and not a fighter although he is ferocious at the slightest hint of a threat to my wife. There is otherwise no gentler or sweeter dog I've known. The physical scars from the chain, beatings, and forced fight took awhile to be erased. Early on he'd cringe if one of us raised a hand too quickly or unexpectedly. He acted as if he was expecting to be struck at any moment. If my wife and I were goofing around with each other he'd get his fur up on his back and make it clear he was going to stop what he didn't understand right the fuck now. Nobody messes with the mama, not even me. He was pitiful but also scary at times when he came to us about 8 or 9 years ago but is now the best dog I've ever had the privilege to know.
People can be that way too. Deceive and cheat them or otherwise mistreat them and they can come to expect it in everyone they know or meet. Self preservation instincts over stimulated can trigger for all kinds of reasons. It can be so bad we refuse to trust anyone. We withdraw or lash out when we think we're about to be mistreated.We expect to be mistreated so it is real even if it isn't. Or sometimes we do the unthinkable and cling to the abuser offering all sorts of rationalizations to explain why we're to blame or that our tormentor "doesn't mean to hurt us".
That either behavior can accompany abuse makes it really hard to evaluate our thinking and choose our behavior. Our decisions on Bernie may be different. He's never abused anyone that I can tell except those who take from vulnerable people. He's done some things the past few weeks I didn't understand and thought might not be the right course but nothing to suggest he's abandoned his life long work for social and economic justice for all of us. Everything he's done can be seen as tactical movements to highlight the corruption and preserve the best environment for moving forward the political revolution he started. The only thing we can point to is words. Generally carefully selected words that seem to say one thing when they can be seen in different ways. The "nomination" speech and "request" for acclimation is a good example of what was never said but is known to have happened. Except it didn't.
I suggest we consider actions. He's stated his intention to remain the independent senator from VT. He's gotten the Our Revolution organization moving. Lets see if he follows through. Lets see if the tone of his campaigning against Trump changes to "Hillary is the greatest" from "Hillary knows...". Lets see if he starts out on the Goldman Sachs speaking circuit or stops supporting progressive solutions. You may see it differently. I'd ask that we reconsider how we think about Bernie. I don't believe in Bernie. Believe is a concept I reject. Belief is seldom if ever challenged by the believer and is thought to be improper to for others to challenge in our society. I do strongly like the idea of Bernie as a fighter for justice but I can reexamine the man and his ideas at any time it looks like he or they have changed. I think we're fools no to continually reevaluate our leaders.
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
I really like your comment.
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"
The Revolution goes on now without Bernie.
He brought us to the fore. It's our job to continue the fight and the struggle, and I don't really think many of his former die-hards are buying this "Vote for Hillary" bullshit.
The Yellow Dog Democrats were always gonna vote for Hillary, anyways. We ain't a bunch of Yellow Dog Democrats, at least not anymore.
Stein/Turner '16!
I miss Colorado.
I get the without Bernie
but I think it will be more like in parallel. Not all of Bernie's supporters have or will abandon Bernie. The sentiment here runs towards a majority being distrustful of Bernie to having no use for him. I get it. At the same time all of those who declare him done don't know Bernie. There's been some softening of that hard over stance since before the weekend. I expect it to soften further as people start to realize Bernie has been running with what he has. That some of us couldn't or wouldn't, maybe won't ever, see what he was actually doing is not relevant. He was doing what he thought best and like choosing whether to vote for Hillary or participating in the Bernie wing of the revolution is our choice. He'll be there regardless. I think that is the point.
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."
I disagree with this:
I don't think that's accurate. I think most supporters appreciate what Bernie has done and still love him dearly, but also realize that he was crippled by a run for the Democratic Party nomination. He said from the beginning that he would support Hillary Clinton if she won the nom, and I always expected Bernie to follow through with that.
That being said, I don't think most of us here are going to follow his endorsement of Hillary. That's why I said The Revolution goes on now without Bernie, as it must.
I miss Colorado.
OK.
Reading some of today's essays I'd agree with you. Sentiment ebbs and flows. Last week the essays and comments were definitely tilted towards being anti Bernie. Or maybe only those with hard feeling towards his "defection" were the more vocal and prolific commenters. The way I wrote that sentence was not to indicate a more are anti Bernie but that those voice were the ones being I heard. The tone over the weekend did turn towards more acknowledgement of Bernie's contributions. I think as time passes and more is known about where Bernie is headed positive sentiment towards him will improve further. That's my perception. That's all.
Hillary? Hell no. I'm with those who say he may actually be doing far less for her than it might appear.
"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now..."