I Voted For Trump, and No, I'm Not Crazy.
Submitted by phillybluesfan on Wed, 07/20/2016 - 10:15am
Before foolishly laughing off or writing off Donald Trump as a bigot or a clown.. you darn well better listen to this EARSHOT podcast from ABC Radio National: Trump's People
Trump may win for many of the same reasons that motivated Brits to vote against the European Union.
"Why we voted leave: voices from northern England"
[video:https://vimeo.com/172932182]
Chris Hedges has often written about the desperate situations in the U.S.A. that mirror northern England
https://radio.abc.net.au/search?service_guid=RN-eot-20160720
Comments
You've got Chris Hedges, who certainly would not
vote for or advocate voting for the fascist demagogue Trump combined with a message as to why people should vote for Trump? I'm certainly not going to listen to that drivel, any chance at a summary?
The audio is NOT why we
should vote for Trump. It is a series of interviews with people who are voting for Trump. It helps dispel the media portrayal of them all being ignorant racists. It is a message that is not being heard enough as people are ignoring the fact that HRC and Trump supporters are equally liable to be college graduates (according to polls). In a similar vain, the Brexit video seeks to dispel the media hype that the vote for exit was because of racism. It also links to the poverty that so many really do not see or understand the reality of that is shown in the Chris Hedges piece.
If progressives (or if one does not like that word--those fighting for a better life for all) do not learn to listen and soon, they/we will be setting up our own failure.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
This PRI story I heard today is Dems voting for Trump b/c jobs
The embed does not work, but there's audio at the link: http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-07-20/forgotten-world-trumps-anti-global...
I sent it to the DNC with the suggestion that maybe they reconsider and oppose TPP in the platform.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
Thanks for he link.
What the mayor is talking about is similar to what I am hearing and seeing in other pieces. The town that I am in has almost the same story. It used to be 55,000 population with manufacturing jobs and is now 30,000 with massive drug dealer problems. The city has torn down five houses on my block alone. There are not enough drug enforcement people or police to even start to do anything about the drug dealers here.
I live in a stacked duplex, and the last three renters up there have been drug dealers. (It used to be a nice, quiet neighborhood until the current landlord bought the place, and he deliberately rents to drug dealers). I don't fear Trump for the simple reason that I have enough fear to deal with (one of the dealers was shot and killed on my front lawn last year over a dispute with some other drug dealers...approximately 40 shots were fired).
While sending stuff to the DNC is all good, it won't matter as they already know...and don't care. IF HRC had been serious about the TPP, her people would have voted for including it in the platform.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
I'm not laughing at or writing him off. He's employing
the ethnic and other-ing components of fascism. We have plenty of examples in history, including our own disgusting and shameful past, to warn us of the dangers of supporting Trump in any capacity or for any reason.
His counterpart in this election is Hillary, who is employing the economic components of fascism (on a global level). It's hard to call her a fascist with respect to the US specifically, since her economics and identity politics are not integrated into a nationalist flavor, but the elements are there. If her political species isn't fascism, she certainly is in the same family that fascists are in.
In any case Hillary's policies enable Trump's, and vice versa. They're political symbiotes, and neither of them ought to be considered fit to serve in public service. Their candidacies represent a lurch toward some kind of neo-fascism that I want no part of.
I'm certainly not writing off or mocking Trump supporters...
I know that many of them are feeling the same frustrations that we all are. I don't support them buying what Trump is selling, but their frustrations are real and legitimate. Trump, however, is not fit for office.
Perhaps a perspective from the ghostwriter of his book would help explain why:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all
Trump plans to outsource the job
Apparently Trump wants to live in the White House, but if he wins he won't actually do the day-to-day job of being President. He thinks he can hand it off to the Vice President.
"We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty."
Why not? Shrub did exactly that.
Most of the day to day grunt work was actually done by Darth Cheney (and whoever Cheney could shove it off onto as well).
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
No-Shrub was front guy who could get elected...
Cheney was always going to be the one filling the job, so he went looking for a nub who would stay out of his way since he could not get himself elected.
'What we are left with is an agency mandated to ensure transparency and disclosure that is actually working to keep the public in the dark' - Ann M. Ravel, former FEC member
I'll probably write-in for Bernie
But now that I took the time to answer a pollster in the spring I seem to be getting more pollster calls ("Hey, here's an 'independent' who answers his land line!"). I'm sure I confound them by giving progressives high marks and then telling them I plan to vote for Trump.
"Polls don't tell us how well a candidate is doing; Polls tell us how well the media is doing." ~ Me
Almost makes me wish I had a landline so
I could do the same. I love confounding people. = )
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Please record the exploding head noises
Then post them here for our enjoyment!
We can’t save the world by playing by the rules, because the rules have to be changed.
- Greta Thunberg
Well, I would vote
for the Trumpster before ever voting for Her Highness. But i plan on voting for Jill.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Nah. Not gonna do it.
Where did you put your own Trump tattoo? Post a selfie. It's no time to be bashful. hahaha.
PS. Write a summary. No one is going to listen to 30 mins of Trump sales bs.
Donnie The #ShitHole Douchebag. Fake Friend to the Working Class. Real Asshole.
All the same complaints, but somehow the solutions are opposite.
They pick Trump, and we pick Bernie. Making Hillary lose is the only reason I can think of to vote for Trump.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I'm sorry, but who on earth
has a Donald Trump tattoo done? Who puts that on their body forever? Just gross, and while I know that gross is the point here, to me it's really not funny that anyone would do this. Talk about fascistic hero worship. I know this country is stupid but damn, even I am just stunned sometimes at how bad that has really gotten. It makes me want to crawl off and find a nice cave somewhere that can never be reached by media.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
"Temporary tats" are a thing too
We used to call then "colored transfers". They wash off, or wear off, in a reasonable amount of time.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
As the audio shows, not all of the tatoos
depict Trump himself, but many are his sayings. The majority getting tats from this one guy are women.
Meanwhile that is not what the audio is about (the author of the essay could have been clearer about this and made better connections between his sources so this would have been understood). The audio interviews people, other than the first guy who represents the stereotype who the media is telling us what all Trump supporters are like, who are not racists or idiots or uneducated.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
We had better learn to listen .... carefully
My original post made no attempt to persuade anyone to vote a particular way. It did strongly say that we, "darn well better listen."
WindDancer13 says it perfectly, "If progressives (or if one does not like that word--those fighting for a better life for all) do not learn to listen and soon, they/we will be setting up our own failure."
We had better listen to Trump. We had listen to Trump's people. We had better listen to the U.K. voters who explain why the want out. We had better listen to Hedges.
If we don't, we will wake up to President Trump on Inauguration day 2017
Few are guilty, but all are responsible.”
― Abraham Joshua Heschel, The Prophets
It would be too hard on my conscience
Never Trump. Never Hillary.
Jill Stein for President
Beware the bullshit factories.
Thinking the unthinkable
As odious as Trump is, as narcissistic as Trump is, as unfocused at Trump is, and as racist-xenophobic as many of his followers are--I am thinking the unthinkable. Voting Trump.
Unless by some miracle the "Justice" system in the US can revive itself, and indict Hillary, she will be our party's nominee (or should I say, my-soon-to-be-exparty. My observations, for what they're worth is that the Left is learning from Brexit--DemExit being only one manifestation.
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We don't need as many manufacturing jobs as we used to. Consider the fact that much, if not most US steel production has diminished, not because of increased productivity (which is true) but because cheap labor countries have taken our jobs away. Where China et. al. may lack the enhanced productivity (and I am not saying that they aren't as productive as the US steel industry), it certainly circumvents that problem by massive employment of lesser productive workers.
The other point is Branstetter's comment is that the president needs legislative support to approve tariffs and amend trade deals. My feeling, is that once the Republicans can elect someone as terrible as Donald Trump, provided he has large "coat-tails" many may be lured into the semi-progressive stance of Trump on TPP and war-mongering. Remember, you don't have to say we need a war to "justify" our horrendous Military budget (50% of GDP). All we need are the talking heads, including Trump, that "we must be strong" to continue this continuing arms build-up. As long as they get their loot, military contractors really don't care if any shooting or bombing occurs.
ISDS is a sell-out of US sovereignty to the corporatist international oligarchy. This clause has claws. Panels of unelected corporate stooges will have veto powers, unappealable, over much of our here-to-fore laws and regulations.
Do I trust Trump? Not much--but I do trust his desire for a less militant military attitude and I do trust his animosity to trade deals that further weaken this country.
Do I trust Hillary? ABSOLUTELY. She will renege on any so-called progressive promises. She will do the bidding of 1%ers, just like herself. She will have no compunction about screwing over the little people (that's us)--and she won't give that a second thought.
Lesser of two evils? She is the greater of two evils. I would rather have a narcissist in power than a murdering psychopath.