Nobody before Clinton ever abused their political power so as to INSIST on using a personal email server instead of a government sanctioned solution. And because she was the first to do so, Comey advises that our nation let Clinton walk. Nice.
I was just a little peeved by a diary over on TOP: ""Comey: Only Facts Matter." No charges." Here is the reply I wrote but never published ...
Only facts matter. What a title. On a diary that is extraordinarily light on details, and groaning-ly heavy with cherry picked talking points. So let's talk for a moment about facts, shall we?
What the FBI Set Out to Do
“Our investigation looked at whether there is evidence classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on that personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way, or a second statute making it a misdemeanor to knowingly remove classified information from appropriate systems or storage facilities.”
What the FBI Found
- Evidence that Clinton was “extremely careless”
“Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.”
Translation: Evidence of negligence, but no evidence of intent (to be negligent, that is; whether or not her intent was honorable re FOIA is apparently besides the point).
“While not the focus of our investigation, we also developed evidence that the security culture of the State Department in general, and with respect to use of unclassified e-mail systems in particular, was generally lacking in the kind of care for classified information found elsewhere in the government.”
Some persons will be quick to claim, “see everybody else was doing it too”. But who is responsible for the culture of the State Department? Isn’t that person the one who serves as the head of the department and is formally known as the Secretary of State?
Question: Does running a department in a way that is not careful with classified information make it acceptable for the head of the department to not be careful with classified information?
- Whether or not information is MARKED CLASSIFIED is not actually relevant
“Separately, it is important to say something about the marking of classified information. Only a very small number of the e-mails containing classified information bore markings indicating the presence of classified information. But even if information is not marked “classified” in an e-mail, participants who know or should know that the subject matter is classified are still obligated to protect it.”
Translation: Clinton’s previous comments on numerous occasions that nothing she sent was marked classified is and always was a red herring. Clinton was responsible for knowing that the subject matter needed to be handled with special care, regardless of how it was marked, as are all government personnel who interact with such documents.
- Whether or not evidence exists that Clinton’s system was hacked is also not actually relevant; lack of such evidence does not indicate that no hacking occurred; it is unlikely that direct evidence would have been left.
“With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence … Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account.”
What the FBI Recommends
“In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.”
Translation: we have never before seen a case where classified information was mishandled in a grossly negligent way without that being the clear intent of the accused. [The intent of the accused was most likely not honorable, i.e. she wanted to avoid FOIA, but lucky for her that apparently has no bearing on this matter]. So even though our investigation was focused on
“a federal statute [makes] it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way, ”
we are going to use lack of precedent as an excuse to ignore the large and thoughtless risks that Clinton took regarding matters of national security. Lack of precedent. Nobody prior to Clinton violated the law in this way, and because of that, the FBI recommends that Clinton not be prosecuted. Nice.
Fact: If one is the first person to violate a law in a certain way, then there will of course not be precedent.
Nobody prior to Clinton ever insisted on using a personal email server instead of a government sanctioned solution. Because Clinton was the first to blaze this trail, and because Clinton didn’t understand the risks to national security she was taking with this action, Comey is recommending that she not be prosecuted.
Never-mind that in 2009, no other person would have been allowed to get away with setting up and using a private email server instead of a government sanctioned email solution. Nobody before her had enough political power to intimidate others in the government to disregard the policies and procedures that were in place to prevent non-sanctioned solutions from being used for official business. No other person.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/05/hillary-clinto...
It's hard to read Comey's statement as anything other than a wholesale rebuke of the story Clinton and her campaign team have been telling ever since the existence of her private email server came to light in spring 2015. She did send and receive classified emails. The setup did leave her — and the classified information on the server — subject to a possible foreign hack. She and her team did delete emails as personal that contained professional information.
Those are facts, facts delivered by the Justice Department of a Democratic administration. And those facts run absolutely counter to the narrative put forth by the Clinton operation: that this whole thing was a Republican witch-hunt pushed by a bored and adversarial media.
Comments
Link again to WaPO, not sure it's the same, to Cillizza's rant
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/05/hillary-clinto...
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
TY, I didn't notice that the link had somehow gotten clobbered.
I have made the fix.
~OaWN
Well, if Attorney General Loretta Lynch wished to set precedent
Never mind.
I so resent "my" government today.
Setting precedent is a bit of a catch-22
Today the precedent has been set to ignore extreme negligence by "apparently" stupid people, hasn't it?
This announcement disgusts me in so many ways ...
Aack ... this reply was for you, Eagles92. I'm sorry, I hit the wrong button (yet again).
~OaWN
No worries, I do it all the time. :-)
No Indictment
But Comey's statement was a pretty damning indictment of her attitude and workplace practices.
If her name wasn't Clinton, she wouldn't make Dogcatcher.
And the GOP ads just write themselves.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Exactly.
And yet, all of the HRC supporters only focus on the one little bit: Comey recommends no indictment.
HRC's judgement and honesty are shown to be lacking, but she's a WOMAN and she has a little D at the end of her name. That's all they care about. It is so disturbing.
~OaWN
Given the Obama-Clinton-Lynch stance
Comey had hit a brick wall, hence his outlining of Clinton as an arrogant, lax, too-powerful-to fail, technophobe, shithead liar.
Edit.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
From the eternally optimistic:
Comey's statements have shown that HRC is "extremely careless" regarding classified information/national security AND that she is a liar. Now that this is established, how fast can we get the facts about the Clinton Foundation?
IF Comey did not feel that he could trust the DOJ to prosecute the email case appropriately, maybe he is setting the stage for a much bigger fish fry.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
Oh, I like the way you think!
From your keyboard to Loretta Lynch's subconscience (sp?)
From your mouth to karma's ears
Also, remember the timing
Not only no recommendation for indictment, but the announcement comes conveniently after the primary elections have passed. All of these conclusions are not recondite matters and could have been publicly announced months ago. So event the FBI's willingness to go slow and take its proper place on the schedule stinks to high heaven.
and
and just in time for the convention...errr the crowning.
“The first duty of a man is to think for himself”
Wait. Take another look, Mr. Comey.
The last condition for prosecution that he listed is "efforts to obstruct justice." Followed by, "We do not see those things here.” Really? Does that mean that he defines the verb "see" the same way that John Lewis does? Or do they only prosecute cases that meet ALL of the conditions? I'm sure Chelsea Manning would like to know.
I am heartsick.
Thank you, that is the part that galls me the most
about his statement. As IF she is not willfully obstructing justice! But I guess that depends on what justice itself means now, eh?
IMHO the media and the whole focus of this as being about the Classified is in itself somewhat of a smokescreen too. Sure, she compromised security, but really, how fucking secure is any of it anyway with so damned much of it around now? And other countries have spooks and snoops too for God's sake. But focusing on National Security gives them a nice out in two ways really - focus on that big scary security leak and the terror that may happen, ramping up the drums for war, along with a narrow focus on just that and that alone, which leaves the Clinton Foundation insulated. And in my now paranoid and angry mind, that Foundation is where the real dirt is, dirt so ugly and "big" and "non-partisan" that it takes down far too many of them to have it allowed to see the light of day. Not only is that shit a breach of National Security, but a fucking naked and blatant sell out of National Security. And there sits Mr Obama, smack in the middle of it, a Democrat about "hope and change" and "transparency" FFS.
Good for Comey for at least getting in some snipes about her, but it won't stop her and he probably knows it. Of course, nothing to stop the Repukes from going after her once in office, and what fun that will be. It might be fun to watch her squirm for about five seconds, and then we'll see that once again nothing will get done, nothing will change and both sides get what they wanted all along. Maybe that'll slow down the privatization of SS and Medicare and other horrors, but I'm not gonna bet on that either. The wars will go on. I am heartsick too, and disgusted, but not shocked anymore and that really does kind of scare me.
Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur
An attorney once told me that 'justice and the law don't
necessarily have anything to do with one another'. Ain't that the truth? The Clinton's are Exhibit A for proof of that statement.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
That diary was stupid, imo
He is stating that if it was anyone but Trump running against her, then this would be a big deal for Hillary's campaign. But since it's him then the damage done by Comey's statement won't hurt her.
So doesn't that mean that what Comey said was very bad for Hillary? That is what I got out of it.
Comey said that there isn't any evidence that her server was hacked, just possible that it was, but Huma Abedin told JW that they knew that the server was hacked and they had to take it offline for a few days.
Plus the diarist takes issue with Comey saying everything he said about how negligent Hillary and her staff was. The diarist called it 'editorializing'
because Comey is a republican and is basically continuing the republican's witch hunt of the Clintons.
The bots don't care that she has lied to them for over a year and see nothing wrong with what she did, but I bet if it was a republican SOS that had done this they'd be singing a different tune.
They like to bring up Powell also used a private email account but that isn't what Hillary did. She set up a private email server in her home.
So it's okay for Hillary to get away with sending classified information on her email and people who don't have security clearance to read them did, but since there was no intent to break the law then it's okay?
I am pretty sure that James Risen is asking wtf?
He is spending 3 1/2 years in jail because the FBI classified the information after the fact.
Edit. I think it is Sterling that has gone to prison, not Risen. Sterling was accused of giving Risen the name of a CIA agent that tortured someone?
Obama's war on so many whistle blowers makes it hard for me to keep track of names.
I would also like to know what Thomas Drake and the other people whose lives were destroyed by going through the proper channels to tell of government wrong doing think.
McGovern already wrote his opinion on this and what penalty Petrayous got.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
Good interview with Risen
Published on Jul 2, 2016
Few journalists know the cruelty of government censorship as well as James Risen, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist at the New York Times, targeted for several major stories implicating criminality by the US war machine and its national security state.
Having just ended a seven-year legal battle, where he bravely faced jail time to protect his inside sources, Risen joins Abby Martin on The Empire Files to talk about his case and the stories he wrote that were such a threat.
26 min
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biFQgq9cRMo]
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
I agree, that diary was stupid. Just an opportunity to gloat
and to crow "she won!". Yes, to thinking people what Comey said was very bad about Hillary.
It can be inferred that she lacks good judgement, as she was "extremely careless" but apparently didn't even realize it. Oh my! What does that say about her.
And it can also be inferred that she lacks honesty. As the Wapo put it:
Most everything that Clinton has said about this subject has been a lie.
But the HRC supporters are as brainwashed as Fox Watchers, and just as self-righteous. They are on team "Goodness and Light", and anyone who claims otherwise is obviously purely evil.
~OaWN
Or a whiney pants Bernie
supporter. oh, wait... same thing.
the little things you can do are more valuable than the giant things you can't! - @thanatokephaloides. On Twitter @wink1radio. (-2.1) All about building progressive media.
Smells like a set up
First the Phoenix meeting. Then a Sat during a holiday weekend interview (interrogation). Then absolution right after the weekend. Talk about timing!
I'm still hoping for a foundation indictment...although I suspect the same out come. Corrupt beyond belief and in our face deal making.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
And just hours
Before Obama appeared on the stump with a newly "exonerated" HRC.
" In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy "
Sigh.
I seriously hope they get nominated this year for Best Screenplay.
~OaWN
The only difference between House of Cards...
and the way our government actually operates?
House of Cards is more believable!
“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”
George W. Bush
And didn't Guicifer hack her email
And that's why he was extradited to the US? Do I have that right? If so, then how could Comey state that there isn't any evidence that her server was hacked?
If Guicifer did indeed hack her server, then Comey has lied to us and is covering for Hillary.
Let me know if I'm wrong about Guicifer.
There were problems with running a campaign of Joy while committing a genocide? Who could have guessed?
Harris is unburdened of speaking going forward.
He has disappeared...not
Does this look fishy to you? It does to me.
It was fishy and incorrect. Here's the real scoop
http://www.snopes.com/guccifer-missing-from-jail-cell/
Here's the rumor
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2066.htm
Here's the plea
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/romanian-hacker-guccifer-pleads-guilty-co...
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
WTF? Yes, that report sounds pretty astounding ...
~OaWN
Sorcha Faal
[video:https://youtu.be/JwkSWEHmkvA?t=3m54s]
.
Surprised HRC hasn't hired her yet a la Brock.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
No precedent MY ASS.
What about this poor slob?
One set of laws for the elites (meaning, none) and another set of laws (written by the for-profit prison industry) for the rest of us.
Fuck Hillary and her bloodstained hands, fuck Bill and his greasy grifting ways, fuck the DNC and DWS for shoving this pathological liar down our throats, and fuck Comey, Lynch and Obama for their moral and political cowardice.
Burn it the fuck DOWN.
Edited to add: I cannot get the damn link to take. If you Google the title, it is from just six days ago.
Edited again to add: sorry for the language. This really has me upset, considering it seemed to be the last chance at stopping the Clinton cartel.
"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain
All of our fears about the oligarchy seem to have come true
during this primary.
We are not a nation of laws, we are a nation of myths, and it is deeply upsetting.
No need to apologize for language ... having come from TOP I think that most of us have gotten quite used to it. And I for one especially don't mind it when someone is tremendously upset ... especially because that is when certain stuff seems to slip out of my mouth too
~OaWN
Here's your link, Late Again
https://m.fbi.gov/#https://www.fbi.gov/sacramento/press-releases/2015/folsom-naval-reservist-is-sentenced-after-pleading-guilty-to-unauthorized-removal-and-retention-of-classified-materials
At FBI.gov, no less. Smdh at the hypocrits!
Thank you, Deja
That's the URL I entered in the hyperlink box, but couldn't get it to take. On my phone, so was too frustrated to figure it out.
The brazenness of the corruption infuriates me. This is their end game and they no longer feel the need to even pretend any more.
"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain
Late Again, if on Android. . .
Try ticking the "Request desktop site" box in your browser settings. (Found if you click the three vertical dots up by the page URL.) Do it from c99, not necessarily other websites.
And yes, I totally agree. It's disgusting, and your earlier rant was right on!
I will keep that in mind when I find my tablet
which is buried somewhere in the house with a dead battery. Can't contact it.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
not quite as bad as the legal reasoning behind
Oliver North getting off, which, when boiled down to its essence, was, "He can't possibly get a fair trial, because everyone already knows he's guilty."
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
the level of corruption
in the US government blows me away
This is pretty cool, actually.
If I'm the first person to rob a bank using a drone, there'll be no precedent and thus they'll be unable to charge me with a crime. Woo-hoo!!! Drinks are on me!!!
There has been no United
There has been no United States of America for some years, this year's "Primary" proved that we allowed the nation to morph into the Corporate States of Oligarchia,, pushed by both parties as they enacted de-regulations, legislation allowing legal bribery and corruption, shifting political power alongside legal power from government to corporations.
Billionaires fund the think tanks and political research institutes that helped push this change, along side the idea that education needed to be reduced to making sure that people could read instructions, push buttons, punch time cards, and not ask questions that needed to be asked. Inconvenient if the populace is educated enough to scrutinize a politicians' stances on actual issues, but our elections are about who looks best or who can be the loudest. This allows the worst shit to float to the top ranks and lead us.
So long, and thanks for all the fish
We're becoming another 'banana republic' but instead of doing it
to another country, we're doing it to ourselves. But I guess it was only a matter of time before we'd start to eat our own, starting with the most defenseless. And setting the 'precedent' for who is and who is not prosecutable for lying to the Federal Government. She has been lying for two freaking years over this shit. And to just walk away from it saying there was not proof of 'intent' to hide her actions. That's nuts.
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The emails were not among the 55,000 pages of work-related messages that Clinton turned over to the agency in response to public records lawsuits seeking copies of her official correspondence. They include a March 2009 message where the then-secretary of state discusses how her official records would be kept.
"I have just realized I have no idea how my papers are treated at State," Clinton wrote to Abedin and a second aide. "Who manages both my personal and official files? ... I think we need to get on this asap to be sure we know and design the system we want."
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/775550d62ef8487a975a2a1c1c8b1100/more-cli...
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From: H
To: Huma Abedin, Lauren Jiloty
Sent: Sun mar 22 08:58:21 2009
Subject: Follow up
Dear Lauren and Huma—
I have just realized I have no idea how my papers are treated at State. Who manages both my personal and official files?
I am sending out material the way I did w Lauren in the Senate, but I don’t know what’s happening w it all. For instance, I’ve sent a few things to Cheryl but she says she hasn’t read them. Does Claire manage this or does it all go to Joe? Are there personal files as well as official ones set up? If I don’t write anything on paper – as I mostly don’t – Lauren knew how to file it all in the Senate. I’m sending out a mix which sometimes Claire and other times Lauren picks up from the out box. What happens then is a mystery to me!
So, I think we need to get on this asap to be sure we know and design the system we want. Let me know what you both think. Thx.
From: Huma Abedin
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:57 AM
To: hdr22@clintonemail.com, JilotyLC@state.gov
Subject: Re: Follow up
We’ve discussed this. I can explain it to you when I see u today.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
The First Computer Hackers
Back in the olden days computer programmers sharpened their skill set by participating in "Core Wars". This "game" generated code that evolved into what are now known as computer viruses. Most programers were (and still are) skilled hackers before "hacker" acquired its present day pejorative connotation. In 1970 that would have been an acceptable career choice, but I decided not to go that particular route, and that has made all the difference.
I could have landed a well paying position, like many good hackers. In fact, I could have moved to Cupertino. Sigh!