Is It Just Me?
Or is there something behind that press conference more than what was on the surface?
I really wish some of you who are good at reading body language, facial expressions would have a look or another look at the video of Bernie's press conference yesterday afternoon. It seems to me some of them looked pretty happy about some of the things Bernie said, as though they knew a secret about what he really meant by what he is saying.
I watched it again this morning and paid attention to the expressions on faces of the people behind him. Jane seems to have more of a poker face, but some of the others showed a lot of expression, and none of them looked sad, despairing, or as though after all their hard work, they have lost. To me, they all look very upbeat, optimistic, almost smirking sometimes.
This is one link to the video. There may be others.
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No, it's not just you.
But I dare not read more into that, either. Too relaxed and smiling, no Good Wife facial sets. Like partee time!
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It's not just you
someone else said here yesterday--and I had to agree--that the presser with Bernie and Harry was meant for Bernie to endorse HRC and he didn't. He danced all around it, but he did *not* come out and say it that I could tell.
I don't know why that would have made anyone real happy--in fact, I thought Harry looked kind of pissed, so I figured the commenter was on to something.
Interesting, waiting to see how it all plays out
If Senator Sanders is not nominated, I hope he will lead a political revolution movement.
Look up at the stars and not down at your feet. Try to make sense of what you see, and wonder about what makes the universe exist. Be curious. Stephen Hawking
I'm Becoming Optimistic
I'm beginning to feel hopeful that there are good things happening behind the scenes with Bernie's campaign, and much happier than I have felt since CA voting day.
Thanks!
I posted this yesterday in another thread:
The last question that Sanders took at the press conference was about him taking his presidential campaign to the convention (as in is he still a candidate). His response was very interesting in that the campaign will be going "with the knowledge of who has received the most votes up to now." I have my own translation and will leave it up to others to see if they come up with the same conclusion.
I am not very good at wait and see, but I cling to hope.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
I posted the same thing after seeing the video of the presser
on K4S. That was before I read the other comments. I have been in a good mood since then. I have been following the RICO case very closely. Or maybe he going 3rd party. I really think the election fraud case is going to break wide open real soon. I have been looking at stats sheets this morning on it. Man...the evidence is strong that there was fraud and media covered it up. Now when the actual vote is recounted between now and the convention should prove the stats correct.
This blog has the link to the updated spread sheet I was looking. Good info in this blog.
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2016/05/12/the-primaries-hillary-wi...
Bernie is staying consistent.
The video clip I watched was the one where Bernie said something to the effect "yes, we understand the arithmetic" going into the convention.
For weeks now, Bernie has been committing to stay in the race through the convention. He has said repeatedly that he wants to go there with as many delegates as possible and help change the platform to one that will benefit the 99% rather than Wall Street or the 1%. His Sunday press conference and the press release on his web site confirm that. He has also stated that he hopes to persuade Hillary to adopt more progressive stands on platform issues, and is why he meets with her Tuesday per his web site.
This might be old news, but I found this Sunday pm on Inquisitr:
http://www.inquisitr.com/3193693/california-counts-millions-of-provision...
LOL, that news cannot be that old as I posted it in
a thread in another essay. By the way AP on a Google search for "Clinton superdelegates" shows 581. None of them has a clue.
We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.--Aristotle
If there is no struggle there is no progress.--Frederick Douglass
I agree
"with the knowledge of who has received the most votes up to now." was a very important part of his speech. Sure seems like he has an Ace up his sleeve!
Not the end, the beginning
Bernie was correctly interpreted by the group that this is not the end of the road, that this is just the beginning of a revolution. I think that they understood that quite clearly. He also said that he is meeting with the Secretary to ask her what she is going to do for his constituents on the issues that matter. He brought up many of these issues, and clearly they stand in contrast to the Secretary's positions. He will walk away from that meeting with nothing. I read it as Bernie is saying, you may have won this battle but the future belongs to us. I did not sense the usual emotion of defeat. Let's see where it goes.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
"The future belongs to us"
has an unfortunate connotation that is best avoided ...
There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know.
How about...
..."All your base are belong to us"?
I want my two dollars!
LMFAO!!!
SNORT
I saw what you did there.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
LMFAO!!!
SNORT
I saw what you did there.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I have no idea what you mean? Please.
Capitalism has always been the rule of the people by the oligarchs. You only have two choices, eliminate them or restrict their power.
It's from a video game.
Very badly translated English, maybe? I learned it at TOP.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Full context of this meme:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fvTxv46ano]
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
HAHAHA
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
Zero Wing
.... was a Japanese language video console game. When it came time to offer it to American audiences, the makers decided to do the English translations in-house. This was a blunder!
The resulting translations were ghastly! They were so bad that they were funny, people started laughing at them, and thus the meme set was born, never to die.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Love that he's got Jerry Cohen and Jim Hightower among
his circle of smart people.
I'm looking forward to Tuesday
since I can't imagine that Hillary is going to make Bernie believe in her "evolution" to Progressive anymore than anyone else does. No one talks about Sanders experience with political machinations as well as his legislative track record, but he looks pretty relaxed to me right now.
I hope you are correct. I
I hope you are correct. I think Nina Turner was in the front row and she looked gloomy to me.
I thought she looked serene
Two reads.
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I looked at her the whole time and thought she looked sad
But I am notoriously BAD at reading people.
Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur.
He's silently saying " It ain't over until it's over".
So we can expect Bernie to come in to the convention, to be nominated. We can expect a delegate credential fight like Nevada's, so I hope that all of the national delegates are prepared with hardcopies of their credentials and up to date voter registrations, in case these just happen to get "lost" by those admitting delegates to the floor.
We can expect lots of happy talk about how they love Bernie's ideas and the "energy" he has brought to the Democratic Party. Translation: we hate your ideas, but make your energetic voters vote for our candidate.
We can expect that the work on the party platform will be shown as something much more meaningful than it actually is - no President in living memory has held to the mandates of the party platform.
We can expect refusals to allow updated California primary vote totals from the millions of uncounted provisional ballots to be counted, even though by that time they should have been counted.
We can expect back room negotiations on the meat of the rules changes: no more superdelegates, reinstating the 2012 ban on lobbyist contributions, and, I hope, giving guidance to state committees for uniformity in primary nominations of candidates. I'd give up the caucuses for uniform open primaries and same day registrations, for example.
These are the fights I expect Bernie and Co to take to the DNC. Their smiles say to me that they plan on all of this and more.
Please don't give up the caucuses.
They are harder to rig invisibly than primaries.
Uniform primaries mean easy hacking.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Understandable, but they restrict voter access
Because they often occur at inconvenient times, in inconvenient locations, often during bad midwestern weather, it's difficult for many voters to participate. People who work 2nd or 3rd shift jobs can't get to caucuses held in the evening. Large crowds at many caucuses this year meant overcrowded venues leaving many voters stranded in line outdoors in cold, rainy, snowy weather. Many had to abandon the lines.
At least during regular primary elections, most states allow people to vote early or by mail.
"If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, take their money and then vote against them you've got no business being in Congress."
Very true, I did the caucus
Very true, I did the caucus thing this year and as someone who works long night shifts it was brutal. Try working a 12 hour night and then following that with a caucus starting 3 hours later...talk about a long day. Then you get the caucus lasting 5+ hours because of the wonderful "Incompetence for Hillary" we had going on. Vote by mail so much easier...although after this primary I do kinda suspect they just got tossed in the trash and whatever/whoever was 'supposed' to win is declared the winner.
I get that, but there's a reason Hill does better in primaries
and it's not because lots of working-class people love her and turn out for her.
If we get rid of caucuses, it has to be with a *serious* pushback against the various forms of election fraud that have plagued us for the past 16 years, and which, apparently, both parties are now party to (so to speak)
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
We need uniform exit polling
We need uniform exit polling too. And no machines - all hand counts done in full view of ALL parties.
Hell I'd say go with open ballots for all Americans so it is available, by name, in a searchable database. Would make swinging votes harder if any old joe could randomly audit the vote. (I realize this would cause problems with terrible employers firing people for 'voting wrong' and the like so wouldn't work...)
Of course those ideas pale in comparison to just redoing the whole system to something much more sensible in this day and age (like a truly representative multi-party parliament with NO absolute executive branch and most really 'big' decisions requiring a direct vote by the populace... also some sorta auto-kill switch in the government to prevent military action in all but the direst need.)
Right now in Colorado
You can track your ballot to see if your mail ballot was received and counted. It's up to the County Clerks to implement the program or not. All Colorado elections now are all mail ballot elections, which has increased turnout , is impossible to suppress since voting is done everywhere, and counted by machine with paper tapes, and our mail in ballot elections have probably turned our state permanently blue.
So we could still keep caucuses as a way to meet our neighbors, make speeches, propose resolutions, elect precinct captains, etc. But the actual voting in primaries would be after the caucuses and by mail like every other Colorado election.
Isn't that Bernie's son standing next to Nina?
I think it's Bernie's son - and he looked proud, serene, definitely didn't have the "it's over" look at all.
Still think there are MANY "shoes" to fall, and be thrown, before we have to vote!!!!
Pretty sure it is his son.
I missed that. Didn't know who a lot of them were and video doesn't show all of those present.
Caucuses Exclude Many Voters
You are right about harder to cheat, but caucuses exclude many voters. People who are working at caucus time, anyone ill, unable to stand in line to get in, etc. I worked on GOTV and am very aware of the many people caucuses exclude through circumstances out of their control.
They can go for hours sometimes and that excludes more people, ones who need to bring children along and others.
I like the open democracy feel, but there are ways to cheat with caucuses too and all were used in 2016.
I know. I'm not exactly disagreeing--
and of course, Hill was able to rig caucuses too--just not invisibly.
When all you've got is a bunch of data, you can manipulate it digitally to do most anything you want.
If you've got flesh-and-blood people in a room, it's harder to fake without leaving a trace.
But there are surely other ways we can get at both problems at once--
If we only had power.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Yes
We need to change the whole voting system. I'm in the paper ballots, hand counted with observers category. That would be a good start.
That is the way it used to be.
The first thing you did when you got up was to turn on the TV to see the returns. By noon you would know who was ahead. Then the evening news would call the winners. All the media did was report it, not choose the winner for us.
In my precinct
We had 10 absentee ballots. They were either old and unable to attend because it was beyond their physical ability or they were working.
Our caucus had around 45% of our town. Given the town is republican leaning that is a lot. Our caucus had a higher turn out than the primary non binding ballot did in our district.
The caucuses allow us to talk to our neighbors about the political relm of things. This is taboo in our culture outside of these political gatherings. I suspect it is that way in many rural cultures.
I agree that paperless
I agree that paperless machines need to go. All voting should leave a traceable paper trail, counted with witnesses.
Even Jane Sanders is on record (CNN video)
saying that Bernie will not make a Third Party run. I believe her.
Here's the link, below. Sorry that I can't embed the video.
Jane Sanders dismisses Trump advice on independent bid
Just so folks understand, I voted for and contributed to Bernie's campaign. If FSC was the last person on earth--absolutely none of our Family would even consider voting for another Clinton. End Of Story. Full Stop.
OTOH, I cannot ignore the implications of last Thursday. Though Bernie didn't endorse FSC, he acknowledged that she is the Dem Party's presumptive nominee. That is what the very public and carefully choreographed meetings with the Prez, Biden, Reid, and Schumer were all about (IMO).
IOW, Bernie is saying that he is no longer in the race to contest the nomination, but, to shape the Platform and Convention rules--including rules pertaining to the role of superdelegates.
CNN Reporter Chris Jansing reported that his campaign staff acknowledged (last Thursday) that they would not be sending out letters to the superdelegates, to ask them to switch their allegiance to Bernie. Partly, due to the outcome of the most recent primaries.
My 'hope' is that Bernie decides to leave the Senate at the end of his term, so that he can actively continue to lead his movement, even while serving out his current term.
If that doesn't happen, it's up to citizens/activists to stay motivated, and move forward without his direct involvement. IMO, that would be the best way to honor Bernie's efforts; and, I believe, what he would want.
Thanks for the post, Grandma. Love your avatar--your little fellow looks a lot like my first dog. She died when she and I were both 13 years old--one of the saddest memories that I have.
Have a good one, Everyone!
Mollie
National Mill Dog Rescue
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Jane did
And yet, there was a post about Bernie's campaign in various states working to get on the ballot as an Independent. I clicked the link which was to an official Bernie site. It listed the states they were working in and all were checked off as completed successfully. There were about a dozen of them. The only state I remember for sure is Indiana.
I'll see if I still have that link and post it here. I am short on time, though, getting ready to travel to my daughter's wedding.
My avatar pic is a sweet natured little dog, getting old and now deaf. I adopted him 6 years ago and wish I could have had him from puppyhood.