A small refresher / history lesson for ex-President Trump
In 2000, Katherine Harris the Florida Secretary of State, who was actually the co-chair of George Bush's campaign, stopped the counting of ballots before it was even finished. There was never a "recount" in Florida because there was never a fully completed first count. Absentee ballots weren't even counted until months later, under an audit by a consortium of news outlets. The final tally showed that Al Gore had the most votes in Florida and should have been the 43rd President.
In 2004 the Ohio Secretary of State was Ken Blackwell, also a Bush campaign co-chair, who vowed to "deliver Ohio for Bush." Around 11:00 p.m. on election night the Secretary of State's website crashed and the tabulation was temporarily rerouted to a private server in Tennessee. A server that just happened to also house the president's reelection website, gwb43.com and the site for the Republican National Committee, and when the Secretary of State's website came back up 90 seconds later Bush had miraculously come from behind to secure the lead and the election. All this after Blackwell had disenfranchised tens of thousands of voters by purging voters and removing voting machines from Democratic precincts.
But you never heard Al Gore give a speech about how those "Brooks Brothers rioters" (who we learned were almost all on the payroll of GOP Congressmen) subervted democracy. We never saw John Kerry accuse the election of having been tampered with.
So there is quite a bit of latent anger erupting when I say HOW DARE YOU claim this is a fraudulent election. How dare you tarnish the bedrock of our Democracy for some vainglorious crusade, when those who came before you kept their dignity despite the most trying of circumstances. How dare you.
EDIT: It was actually Walden "Wally" O'Dell of Diebold voting systems who vowed to "deliver" Ohio for Bush.
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If the Founding Fathers had wanted a Democracy
they would have given us one.
But they didn’t and we don’t. We got a Republic dressed up to look like a democracy, run by a small minority of the rich and powerful. The costume has gotten tattered and worn over the years and there are a few holes in it where the true nature of those who govern is plain to see. Only thanks to a relentless campaign of propaganda and the enduring human characteristics of credulity and servility does this thinly veiled facade continue to hold.
We seem to cling to the hope that some day those in power will somehow be replaced or transform themselves into beneficent and benevolent servants of the common good. That’s not going to happen.
What we can do is stop believing in the fairytales we are being fed 24/7. We can disabuse ourselves of the notion that we have the ability to radically change things simply by voting for a procession of preselected figureheads. We can begin to recognize that our power, real power, lie in our numbers and our solidarity. We can begin to understand that consent of the governed is essential to all forms of government, and that the power to withhold consent still belongs to the people.
“ …and when we destroy nature, we diminish our capacity to sense the divine,and understand who God is, and what our own potential is and duties are as human beings.- RFK jr. 8/26/2024
the nature of those who govern
The inherent problem here is that the true nature of those who govern is always as we see it here, no matter how these are chosen. 137 years ago, a publication of Benziger Brothers had this to say about it:
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
So, do I understand
that you are trying to say that Algore and Kerry were pathetic wimps and that they should serve as role models for Trump?
Now it would be one thing for Trump to be objecting if he had anything at all to do with the situations that you cite. But he didn't.
Or if there were not widespread anomalies and lack of transparency in the voting and tabulating process. But there are.
Speaking of anomalies - try rural Antrim County, N. Michigan.
Went to Trump in 2016 62 to 33 over Hillary. Then supposedly sent for Biden this time (as reported Nov. 5) by 62.5 to 36.3. With 100% supposedly reporting, total votes cast were shown as 12,278. Local election officials thought this was a clearly anomalous result that appeared to conflict with what they had reported to the state and alerted the state.
So, now - on Fox's map it shows (100% reporting) Trump 9783 (56.5%) Biden 7289 (42.1%) total votes cast 17,702.
The problems seemed to stem from the electronic voting system being used - supposedly also being used in over 30 other MI counties although it's not clear if other counties experienced similar problems.
Bottom line - if the above is accurate - it means a swing to Trump of 5754 votes IN A SINGLE RURAL COUNTY!
Looks like local officials worked hard to resolve the issue but it's a pretty embarrassing glitch (if that's what it was) to have occur in the first place.
https://twitter.com/jamieroe23/status/1324045566293278720
https://upnorthlive.com/news/local/antrim-county-submits-new-partial-election-results-after-manually-counting-votes
The problem is that in
TrumpWorld, which apparently is nearly half of those that choose to weigh in, Gore and Kerry are wimps and losers. These are id people with the possible exception of those with bucks that get to keep more bucks with a GOP POTUS. ID people are at a disadvantage because the emotional draw isn't a single and deep emotional response as it is for id people.
Don't exactly know what ID is
but Kerry and Gore are wimps. They, and their party, promised to fight for us. They didn't. They didn't even fight for themselves.
ID as in identity.
There's plenty of passion and emotion in ID politics, but it's not of one piece like id politics.
Hitler does the Donald
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1324078979775684608
I never knew that the term "Never Again" only pertained to
those born Jewish
"Antisemite used to be someone who didn't like Jews
now it's someone who Jews don't like"
Heard from Margaret Kimberley
Can we be SURE this isn't snark?
It's about time somebody threw a screaming hissy-fit about the rampant cheating and corruption that has been going on for years...decades...centuries. And who more appropriate than someone already known for throwing screaming hissy-fits about everything?
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Unfortunately
Trump isn't throwing a screaming hissy fit about the rampant cheating and corruption that has been going on for years...decades...centuries. He does not care about any of that in the least. In fact, he is actively working to erode democracy even further.
His hissy fit is about nothing beyond his own loss, which he refuses to accept (of course), even though, at this point, it is clear that he's legitimately lost and in the end he's going to be pretty soundly trounced. His fragile, child-like ego cannot take that, obviously, so he has no choice but to kick and scream like a toddler about it.
I predict in the end he will follow Hillary's example: lose without any grace or dignity, and then spend the rest of his life whining, complaining, pointing fingers, and believing with all that is left of his shrunken little heart that he was cheated out of what was rightfully His.
I just hope he channels his perpetual victimhood into trying to run again in 2024, rather than prodding his followers to start shooting people in the streets. Because if he gives them anything even resembling a nod in that direction, there is a good number of them who will do it and are currently salivating at the possibility.
years...... decades...... centuries......
I just posted a Comment in which I quoted a 137 year old book on this very subject!
Monsieur Trump, j'assume?
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
Bien sur! (= "of course")
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Biden stole the election back in April
If he did it again to Trump...well, first of all, I didn't think the Dems had it in them to steal elections from Republicans; they sure never did before. That's actually more than a bit ominous.
Even Donald Trump deserves a fair election, and if it was stolen from him, he is right to raise Cain, just as Gore and Kerry and Bernie SHOULD HAVE.
Either way, though, we already knew a Biden Junta was going to be illegitimate; just record history, stand witness, and toss it on top of the vast mound of everything else Biden and Trump and Obama and Clinton and Clinton and Bush and Cheney and Alexander and Pompeo and Kissinger and alllllll the others need to hang for (geez, this is starting to sound like a roll-call of flying war-criminal reindeer).
"No people is wholly civilized where a distinction is drawn between stealing an office and stealing a purse." - Theodore Roosevelt
In the Land of the Blind, the One-Eyed Man is declared mentally ill for describing colors.
Yes Virginia, there is a Global Banking Conspiracy!