Why do minorities vote Democratic?
One of the favorite memes on the GOS is that Republicans are doomed because of demographics. The assumption is that minorities will always vote Democratic and will become more and more of the population.
It sounds good...until you dig into the numbers.
Let's start with Latinos.
the Department of Homeland Security’s planned campaign to aggressively deport hundreds of immigrant families fleeing violence in Central America is causing concern on the left — for reasons of both politics and policy.
“As of this moment, the distinction between Democrats and Republicans has never been clearer,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of the immigrant-rights group America's Voice. “That distinction could clearly be blurred if they start raiding young mothers who have fled violence.”
Sharry said it should be “embarrassing” for the administration that Trump is taking credit for the plan, adding, "That should make them think two or three times about following through."
Any deportation plan that Trump thinks is way cool, is not one that Obama should be implementing. Especially not in an election year.
The real problem is that this isn't out of character for Obama.
To be fair, that isn't the whole story. If you look at returns, things do look better.
However, the reason that returns are so far down isn't because of Obama, but is because there are far fewer illegal immigrants.
Plus, removals are much worse than just returns.
Well, how about Blacks?
In 2009, when Obama took office, the black poverty rate was 25.8 percent. As of 2014, according to Pew Research Center, the black poverty rate was 27.2 percent.
What about income? CNNMoney says, "Minority households' median income fell 9 percent between 2010 and 2013, compared to a drop of only 1 percent for whites."
The Financial Times said: "The median non-white family today has a net worth of just $18,100 -- almost a fifth lower than it was when Mr. Obama took office. White median wealth, on the other hand, has inched up by 1 percent to $142,000. In 2009, white households were seven times richer than their black counterparts. That gap is now eightfold. Both in relative and absolute terms, blacks are doing worse under Mr. Obama."
.. Homeownership rates have fallen six percentage points among black households -- double that among white households. ... More than 25 percent of mortgage homeowners in both high-poverty and minority neighborhoods were underwater -- owing more than their homes are now worth -- in 2013. This rate is nearly twice the shares in either white or low-poverty neighborhoods."
Now I understand that there are things that Obama couldn't do, but after 8 years his performance should have been better than this.
While Obama remains overwhelmingly popular in the black community, some blacks are talking about these facts.
“Like the rest of America, Black America, in the aggregate, is better off now than it was when I came into office,” said President Obama on December 19, in response to a question by Urban Radio Networks White House Correspondent April Ryan.
What planet African Americans are doing “better off” on is unknown. What is known is that President Obama is about to leave office with African Americans in their worst economic situation since Ronald Reagan. A look at every key stat as President Obama starts his sixth year in office illustrates that.
Even on the most politically-charged of issues, police shootings, the trend is not good.
The number of felony suspects fatally shot by police last year — 461— was the most in two decades, according to a new FBI report.
Obviously this is another issue where Obama doesn't have a lot of control, but at the same time we are also running out of issues that aren't getting worse that actually matter to average black Americans.
At some point you have to ask yourself the question of: What has the Democratic Party done to deserve the loyalty? How have they earned it?
Speaking of loyalty, the black vote for Hillary is huge. But has Hillary earned that vote? Or do people just not remember things?
Some might argue that it’s unfair to judge Hillary Clinton for the policies her husband championed years ago. But Hillary wasn’t picking out china while she was first lady. She bravely broke the mold and redefined that job in ways no woman ever had before. She not only campaigned for Bill; she also wielded power and significant influence once he was elected, lobbying for legislation and other measures. That record, and her statements from that era, should be scrutinized. In her support for the 1994 crime bill, for example, she used racially coded rhetoric to cast black children as animals. “They are not just gangs of kids anymore,” she said. “They are often the kinds of kids that are called ‘super-predators.’ No conscience, no empathy. We can talk about why they ended up that way, but first we have to bring them to heel.”
It appears that minorities are only voting Democrat because Republicans are just so awful. But that's not the same thing as loyalty, and it certainly explains the traditionally poor voter turnout from uninspired minorities.
It's also a danger sign. If the Republicans were to suddenly change tactics and not be so hostile to minority rights, the Dems could be abandoned by these groups that they've done little for.
Comments
Should I post this to GOS?
I'm not sure what the reception will be. Especial since I'm white.
Any comments? Suggestions?
This information is information, not sentiment
It really hasn't been processed into a way of thinking among your target groups.
So, you're left with a sell as your objective, to change voting opinions. For the moment, blacks are a captured audience for establishment Dems. Black leaders are embraced by the establishment. It's a done deal and a feedback loop, as well.
Latinos are more critical in their thinking, unless they're voting Catholic. Over the course of the campaign, they will process info and vote for their best interests. Asians always vote that way.
My Magic 8 Ball says "Probably Not." It may look like poaching.
[EDIT: My opinion is not informed. I really have no idea what's going on there. It's just my instinct. I'm sure you know what to do. Just came by to tip you for the data.]
Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
Hold on. I just read this at WAPO:
I guess the game changed already.
Sanders moves really fast. Wow.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/after-new-hampshire-candidates-f...
Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
Once again I gota ask
Why do so many blacks want to vote for Hillary again? What am I missing?
How do you know that so many blacks want to vote for Hillary?
May be under Bill Clinton many Afro-Americans moved into the political pundit, campaign advisor and democratic party establishment and governmental positions.
It takes time, may be, for them to realize that the nineties are not the 2010th. I would think that it's very hard for them to adapt to a position, which seems to make them disloyal to Obama and Clinton.
Al Sharpton is a example. He doesn't want to make a commitment to either candidate, which is imo a bit coward, considering that SC is probably a make or break state for either candidate's wish to "gain the black vote". And he is dependent on his media position, or not?
Just my two uninformed cents of guts feelings.
Ta-Nehisi Coates Is Voting for Bernie Sanders Despite the Senator's Opposition to Reparations. An example for someone who moved to make a commitment after "long and hard inner discussion". He said his son moved him to support Sanders.
May be just be patient and wait and see how Sanders will evolve and the black voter's support as well. It's not done yet.
And still open.
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I base it on the polling
The numbers are overwhelming. At least the recent poll was.
Do you think this essay would be worth posting to GOS?
Sure, why not?
I was a bit amazed that you asked the question, mentioning it especially because you are white. If people react to your diary negatively because you are white, you just leave it at that. It's their business if they do so, not yours. Imagine you were white and German. You could have it worse, you know (just kidding and teasing you a bit).
I haven't listened to all of what Ta-Nehisi Coates said in the Amy Goodman interview, but I caught one thing at least. He makes the distinction of a black middle class and a white middle class and rightfully analyzes it as not being the same. The establishment for any black middle class or working poor black person is any white person, be it poor working class whites or middle class whites, the establishment for any white middle class and white working poor person, is the white rich and establishment class. This is what Sanders has not incorporated in his rhetoric and thinking, I believe.
There was this thought of yours that it may be just simple in that class trumps racial, ethnic and gender identity, two days ago. I tried to say it does in that the class differences cause the racial and gender identity tensions and not the other way around. (chicken and egg question) But whatever class you look at, within the Afro-American community, no matter what class you attribute to them, it is always a poorer, more exploited and more discriminated one than the same class attributed to white Americans. I think that's a point one has to consider.
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Nothing is worth posting as dkos unless it has boom in the title
or the lamp post endorsed Hillary. If you want PR on the rec. list to hype your candidate, post it. If you are trying to have a substantive discussion on why people vote against their own interests, not going to happen. I haven't seen much of blackkos lately, but then I'm so unobservant, how would I know.
I did read a couple of really good diaries on the list the other day. No not Bob Johnson's support hose. I think black people are people, and people are generally stupid because not enough of them are introverted. I also don't think the polls are worth squat. Bernie was going to lose Iowa and NH - remember? I think Gos will handle the statistics fine. I think the same dusty cast of characters will call you a hater for daring to point out that Obama and Hillary are a joke.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
Fair 'nuff
I'll post it and see what happens. Maybe someone will reply with an enlightened response.
It's more likely someone will accuse me of white privilege.
listen ...
I am reminded of white privilege by my own black son at least three times a week. And I tell him I can't help it, born that way and have some inheritance most black people have not. So, we live with the fact, each of us and try to go on. We know it's true and we know too that we can'd do anything about it and try to let some family lovin' trump the negativity in those facts. There is nothing you can do but ignore the feelings of hurt. The hurt is much larger on the black side than on the white. So, I think, you can be generous and try to not be offended by it.
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Bruh1 gave a good response
I wished he would write the diary he wanted to write but then decided to not want to do it anymore.
Yep. A black man being uncomfortable to write his mind because he would be attacked on the gos.
If that is what the gos has become, I just wonder what will happen next.
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false choices
That's just one of the false choices we run into today.
The environment vs. jobs. Freedom vs. security.
All of those choices are bullshit! They are all meant to divide us and keep us fighting amoungst ourselves.
And GOS is just as bad when it comes to this has any right-wing site.
Bruh1 gave a good response
I wished he would write the diary he wanted to write but then decided to not want to do it anymore.
Yep. A black man being uncomfortable to write his mind because he would be attacked on the gos.
If that is what the gos has become, I just wonder what will happen next.
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After rereading my comment
and your response to it, I became worried that I offended you. I know I was sarcastic as hell, but it was intended for dkos - not you. Sorry, gjohnsit.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon
I haven't the slightest idea
why any minority or any woman would vote for her. Maybe they just don't know what the Clinton's are about? Maybe like a lot of female HTC supporters they 'identify' more with the establishment end of the party. I can't think why? Lot's of rich black celebrities and congress people seem to be endorsing her. Why did the minorities in Chicago vote for Rahm? It could be that they hate the Republicans so much that they get behind the Clinton's who appear to be fighters and the victims of the RW conspiracy.. A case of better the devil you know? However it does seem to be shifting at least with the younger generation. I read three different stories today about prominent black people moving to support Bernie's candidacy. Younger people get more information online and you would think that they would see that the Clinton's have promoted racist policies and continue to do so now. Denise said she support's HRC because her mother loved Hillary and would if she were alive be voting for her. Symbolism? Beyond me.
IMO, it is simply a case
of the fact that they do not really know him or what he stands for. It is human nature to stick with the familiar. But I think that is about to change, at least for the younger blacks. Ben Jealous has to have some effect along with Killer Mike and other well known blacks who are now supporting Sanders. But remember, there have been some false memes floating around that Bernie is the candidate of the wealthy. I wonder where that one came from.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
here's a good article
about Bernie trying to talk to the Afro-American mainstream old time leaders. The ones I as a whitey according to Denise have no business even talking about.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/10/black-le...
Black leaders who support Hillary Clinton slam Bernie Sanders on race issues
No information in this article about what Al Sharpton who he met with had to say but come on.... Who is this Jeffries person and keep in mind this is the WaPo owned by Bezos a white privileged dude if ever i saw one.
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This whole election is revealing the disconnect between the power structure of the machine Dems. and ordinary people. You also have to take into consideration that the corporate propaganda media has it's own ax to grind and it's not 'we the people' ax. They are really good at divide and conquer which pits people against each other in every way they can eke out of our common interests and dreams of equality. To me it's amazing that despite the demographics of mass deception ordinary people across their divides are flexing their muscles. They are saying to the powerful interests and the shallow pols that these arrogant power brokers endorse, need to exit the stage. Come on people...
Interesting.
One thing that gets me though with the generalizations about voting is that blacks and Hispanics vote at a lower voting eligible rate than do whites. Only 36% of all eligible voters voted in the 2014 election, so the better generalization would be why do minorities not vote. All this discussion, not directed at you G, about voting demographics and who's going to attract what votes and no talk about the majority of the voting public that doesn't vote.
sorry Al
I replied to the wrong comment.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
He probably meant to address gjohnsit with G
in his comment.
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Yes
I now realize that.
Do I hear the sound of guillotines being constructed?
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." ~ President John F. Kennedy
I think you know why minorities don't vote ...
... they stopped dreaming, because their lives have become nightmares and so many of them just say: Fuck that shit and don't vote. I always am amazed that the powers to be and the candidates who want to become the powers to be still drown the voters with the advice to "dream". Van Jones did it and though he might be a nice guy, I couldn't stand that constant "American Dream" talk. On the other hand I think the idea to "dream about a better life" was born in the civil rights movement of the fifties and sixties. So, may be, what you see, is that the younger generation of the minorities just don't buy into that "dream talk" anymore, start to rebel a bit and do the opposite, they vote. It's really funny. My son canvassed for Obama in 2008 and one elderly Afro-American man really got angry with him, because my son tried to say that his vote is very important and the elderly man said: "Son, you better don't tell me, what I should do. I won't vote for nothing, because it's all fake promises and kabuki theatre". There you go. Some people still dream, others woke up and won't dream again, because it turned into nightmares.
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Amen mimi
not that hard to figure out. Still I wonder
"Dream" is such a terrible dis-empowering word.
It has no legs and no resolve. It's a placeholder for self-indulgent fantasy.
The correct word is "vision." A vision is enduring and purposeful and collective. It can act as a moral compass.
Anyway, you make a point that I consider to be true, mimi. Voting often makes people feel like stupid fools and it can disenfranchise them completely. Especially if their candidate wins and then betrays them. Once a nation privatizes public utilities and natural resources, it is no longer a democracy. There is no longer a commonwealth. It's a plantation for special interests.
Populations don’t like wars. They have to be lied into it.
That means we can be “truthed” into peace. — Julian Assange
Who can blame them
I vote cause I'm an idiot white far lefty that can't let go of democracy as a concept. The powers that be don't want minorities, disenfranchised people to vote. If they did these powerful fuckers would be in big trouble. Still getting pissed off and not voting just plays into their hand. You think this is something new? The fuckers who always say they rule the world and are inevitable want you not to vote. Makes it easier to stay forever and ever in power.
"Can't let go of democracy as a concept"
Agree. It's more than that though, Those in charge are absolute criminals, psychopathic criminals, and we have to stop them before anything real can happen. We need real democracy, not the fake "representative" democracy we've been led/trained/manipulated/brainwashed to believe is democracy. I'm willing to live with that before I'll let the bullies continue killing and stealing. It's sickening what they do, the lies they tell, the propaganda they spew and the control they've achieved. It has to stop. No way is Bernie Sanders or the Democratic party going to touch that. Not even a start. In fact, it's setting back what should be done with meager steps that won't be taken and won't change the substance of our problems anyway.
Why do the Clintons have a lock on black support?
Reasons that I've come across over asking many people in my community (be wary, as some of them don't make sense in the way you'd think they would):
The Black Clergy is extremely powerful in my community. If you've got them in your pocket you've pretty much got a locked in voting bloc that's difficult to sway. I don't talk to a lot of the young African Americans in my community (I'm almost 40 and travel in different circles from the younger crowd these days--yes, I'm still young, but not that young). But I will get to talking to them eventually to see what they think.
This whole situation is frustrating, and there's not much I can do without pretty much antagonizing a lot of people that I know. Sure, I could bring up Three Strikes, the Financial Crisis' origins, and any other wonkery, but it probably wouldn't sway the older voters or cynical non-voters. But maybe the younger generation could be convinced...or at least pushed in the right direction. Maybe the young generation are already leaning Bernie...but we'll see. I think South Carolina is a lost cause at this point.
the nineties were awesome, the economy was booming
... yes, it was the time were everybody thought the internet and the world wide web would be the "yuge" job creator, savior for free, transparent media and nobody saw anything negative in the smart wizkid technocrat and corporate world. It was so cool. You could make tons of money. The IPO's were popping, champaign bottles enjoyed in the lounges of the West Coast technology firms. You could get your face into the limelight and media world. YOu engage in TED talks. It was the time when a Bezos saw a dream come through. What kind of dream it was? It turned out to be nightmare for all those, whose jobs his company killed, just as one example.
I think the younger generation and the older ones, if they were told that in simple, uncertain terms, know that the 2010th are not the nineties anymore. You may not sway the elder generation, because they don't live in the clouds of their smart phones. But Sanders would need to work on adding these things into his campaign stump speaches.
I wonder who the Moral Monday Rev. Barber will support.
I remember Denise answering that question the same way she answered her support for Hillary Clinton, ie with a non-answer. She said something to the effect that his role is not to support a specific candidate, he is not "into" that, if I remember correctly. In any case the question was "dismissed" so to speak.
I think Sanders should reach out to Rev. Barber (in private) without the media fuzz and not fizzle around with Al Sharpton or any one of the establishment Afro-American elite. They are establishment, love the cameras too much, and do not want to lose their position at that. So I believe they won't come up with open support for Sanders. May be when a "yuge" chunk of establishment Afro-Americans have come around, but that "yuge" chunk of establishment Afro-American ain't just coming around yet. It won't work, if Sanders is not working on the issues Bruh1 hinted at in his comment to gjohnsit.
And to those who say they don't want to be told by a white kids how and for whom to vote, they might slowly realize that the white kid is actually grown old and now it's the white super woman who tries to tell them how and for whom to vote and also why.
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Did not boom for our small business
did not boom for my artisan business. If were all going to praise the 90's then as a boom. Lets consider the people like me who got wiped out by NAFTA and the small businesses who ended up screwed. Clinton did nothing at all to the workers globally other then make them all victims of the rising tide of neoliberal corporate transnational global rule.
oh sorry, my comment was not meant to say
I believed in the nineties boom. Not at all. I started a small business at the side from my full-time job in order to become "my own boss and chase my "immigrant dream". Ha. I ended up loosing both the small business and my full-time job. So I do understand what you are saying. May be I should have added a snark flag after my first paragraph in the comment.
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