What's in a name?
What's in a name?
A lot it seems.
About a month ago, Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda's biggest affiliate and one of the largest jihadi groups in Syria, cut it's ties with al-Qaeda and changed its name to Jabhat Fateh Al-Sham (the Front for the Conquest of the Levant).
Washington was less than impressed.
The organization claims the move is meant to foster unification among rebel factions but the US and others say it just a PR exercise...
The rebranding has been dismissed by many in the international community as little more than window dressing.
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper called it a "PR move ... to create the image of being more moderate," while State Department spokesman John Kirby said the U.S. would "judge a group by what they do, not by what they call themselves,"
Lister says the U.S.'s designation of the group as a foreign terrorist organization is unlikely to change
A PR move. Window dressing. In other words, a joke that no one in Washington, or our allies, could possibly fall for, right? You might be surprised.
Fateh al-Sham’s support extends beyond the immediate political and military opposition. Roshd Virtual University in Istanbul, Turkey offered 100 scholarships to the children of the fighters who participated in Aleppo’s battle. The opposition’s desperation to change the balance of power in Syria has made them embrace Fateh al-Sham and turn a blind eye to the fact that it was until recently the Nusra Front, an internationally designated terrorist group with ties to al-Qaeda.
According the Syria analyst Charles Lister, there is a significant subsection of the Syrian opposition that does not oppose Fateh al-Sham’s participation in Aleppo related military operations. Moreover, Lister said that opposition forces fighting in Aleppo received for the first time American weapons that are normally designated for forces fighting the Islamic State (ISIS). The opposition’s takeaway is that the United States does not object to preserving the balance on the ground with the Syrian regime, even if doing so indirectly bolsters Fateh al-Sham. Some Syrians even believe that the United States is fighting fire with fire and using Fateh al-Sham to fight the Syrian regime, Hezbollah, and Iran regulars, even at the cost of Fateh al-Sham integrating further into the opposition.
The massive battle to break the siege of Aleppo had absolutely nothing to do with ISIS. It had everything to do with the Assad government, and this rebranded al-Qaeda group was the largest participant in that offensive.
In a related note, remember when CIA-backed Syrian rebels were fighting Pentagon-backed Syria rebels a few months back? Pretty crazy, huh?
Well, guess what? They are back to doing it again, except this time Turkey is fighting alongside the CIA-backed rebels.
The operation, labeled Euphrates Shield, is also aimed at pushing back U.S.-allied Kurdish forces. The fighting pits a NATO ally against a U.S.-backed proxy that is the most effective ground force battling IS in Syria....
Turkey is part of the U.S.-led coalition fighting IS, but the airstrikes that began Saturday marked the first time it has targeted Kurdish-led forces in Syria.
Technically, Turkey is fighting alongside the Free Syria Army (i.e. CIA-backed), but in reality the Syria rebels in this offensive were drawn directly from Idlib province, which is controlled by Fateh al-Sham and its allies.
On the other side of this battle is the Pentagon-backed Syrian Democratic Forces, our most loyal and effective allies in the fight against ISIS. The SDF also happens to be who the U.S. troops are embedded with.
There was no immediate comment from U.S. officials about the escalation of fighting between the two sides—both of which receive American military support.
For the moment are soldiers aren't near the fighting, but since Turkey is border walls at Kobane, and shelling the Afrin canton, both of which are far from the battle, it appears that Turkey is preparing in case the fighting spreads.
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The diagram gets even more complicated if...
...you throw in Israel and China. Israel helps the Kurds but goes after Iran and Assad. The Chinese buy the Iranian oil and they have an increasingly good relationship with Russia.
I've seen other lesser diagrams like this one;
And on top, the CIA and the Pentagon don't always coordinate their activities.
The political revolution continues
If Israel, our BFF, supports the Kurds
then why do we call the Kurds terrorists (some of them, anyway) and alternately support and attack them? Jesus Christ!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I would add an edit
There are no lines indicating who is supporting ISIS. Maybe ISIS is too hot to handle now. But from what I understand, we, the US, sold weapons to Gulf oil states knowing they would funnel the weapons to various jihadist groups including ISIS. Basically starting with Bush, our aid the jihadists has not been direct but through Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc.
There is also sorta implicit aid to the ISIS by the US. I read that we did not bomb ISIS if it in anyway detracted from their fight against Assad. As one poster said on TOP, we were shaping the battle field to undermine Assad. Of course, this is when some people began to ask, so ISIS then takes over all of Syria? I think the reaction to this question is to rebrand any number of radical Sunni Islamist groups as acceptable to take over--but results will be the same--genocide against the Shia and Christians and other minorities of Syria.
It's a simplified chart
If you added all the minor pieces then it gets hard to read.
A fair point.
Kinda funny how the caliphate runs no outside support. Especially when US arms keep showing up in captured ISIS arsenals paid for by the Qatari and Saudi governments and shipped in through Turkey.
Seems the ISIS box could use a few green arrows headed toward the right side of the chart.
The current working assumption appears to be that our Shroedinger's Cat system is still alive. But what if we all suspect it's not, and the real problem is we just can't bring ourselves to open the box?
Oh, you saw that.
I believe our Kuwaiti friends have also been involved, along the lines of money-laundering for the cause.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
As with tentacles of CF, one monitor (computer, visual)
is not enough. So many surviving grad students will be happy. Or something.
Hey! my dear friends or soon-to-be's, JtC could use the donations to keep this site functioning for those of us who can still see the life preserver or flotsam in the water.
I often wonder...
If there will come a time, with all of the liberal concealed carry laws, that there will be a shooting incident that arrises where a bunch of people guns start shooting at one another and when the police arrive, they shoot everybody - not knowing who the 'good guys' or the 'bad guys' are. And then all the gun nuts afterward will say - 'the system worked!'
Here we have a situation where in the not so distant future we have US forces directly fighting other US forces. What will all of the so-called experts say when that happens?
Democrats, we tried to warn you. How is that guilt and shame working out?
Wow, everyone is attacking the Kurds.
Even more so than Assad.
Seriously, Assad and the Kurds should have come to some kind of an agreement.
God, the 21st century is weird--almost everybody is actually "bad guys," but the ones who are supposed to be the bad guys look not as horrible as the ones I'm being told to support.
With the exception of the Islamic state, who I'm being told are ultra-mega-bad, and probably actually *are* ultra-mega-bad, but are supported by all of our best friends in the ME, with the exception of Egypt and Israel. While we're fighting them. Wheee!
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
Here's something interesting...
Moon of Alabama
It gets curiouser and curiouser.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
This isn't Einstein's definition of insanity, this is unique
to BHO. Einstein's definition of insanity was to keep repeating the same thing and expecting a different result.
Obama doesn't have a verbal definition of insanity but his Syrian policy(ies) do. I would like Obama try to explain with any semblance of rationality how we came to have CIA-backed forces fighting Pentagon-backed forces.
Thanks gj for that helpful chart up top of this article. Second chart was much less helpful and a whole lot more confusing. Sad to say, the second chart may be more in touch with the confused morass of what is going on. I can't understand this underlying paradox of the US backing opposing forces simultaneously.
The ONE thing I did learn from this whole Syrian mess is that Obama is an almost perfect bumbler of foreign affairs:
1. continuing pre-emptive war in Iraq
2. continuing pre-emptive war in Afghanistan
3. colluding with Medusa on a pre-emptive war in Libya
4. permitting the Honduran coup against elected leaders (so we could get cheaper bananas?)
5. surrounding the Russians with "new and improved" tactical nukes--as if that minor quibble in preventing a mutually destructive war
6. pushing Putin's hot buttons by supporting west Ukraine
7. allowing the CGI pay-for-play conspiracy to occur under his watch (unless, of course he is a silent partner in the money laundering)
8. to knowingly allow HRC to endanger state secrets with a private server to which he personally sent emails
Want more? Sorry, I don't have all week.
People criticized Bernie for having a poorly defined foreign affairs policy, which may be true. But only an absolute "genius" could do so much to hurt so many innocent people without shit dripping from his head.
If you like Obama's foreign policy--
wait till you see Hillary's.
"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha
"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver
I shudder in fear...
THAT is a scary thought. I might go live in the barn with the goats for the next 4 years...
If you're poor now, my friend, then you'll stay poor.
These days, only the rich get given more. -- Martial book 5:81, c. AD 100 or so
Nothing ever changes -- Sima, c. AD 2020 or so
If I were to guess at what may be the current best idea
I would say that raising a couple fingers in a towering salute to the rebel group may be better than what we're currently doing.
We care about our Kurd allies being bombed by Turkey
Meanwhile in Syria