Did the people of Honduras who recently walked from Central America to the US border inspire your post about the so-called immigration crisis? Is this the context?

The angst about this issue is "really not all that complicated."

Normal people determine what their immigration policy is, and they often write it into their constitution. Every country in the world has done this in recent years. The US has done this periodically in the form of legislation. It's not monumentally complex, in my opinion. The Immigration Act that is currently in place, as a matter of fact, looks fine to me. Immigration has quotas and is based upon the following: the reunification of families, admitting immigrants with skills that are valuable to the U.S. economy, protecting refugees, and promoting diversity. So right off the top, my head is not exploding, which makes it difficult to understand what the bitter cartoons with their barely concealed rage are trying to say.

What I do know is the grifters occupying Congress refuse to write immigration legislation they would like to put into place to replace what we currently have. I presume that the people who own them will not let them do so for financial reasons. But I would hope they are not using your posted comment as a guide, because every single word of it is based on misinformation about the past, or on distorted statistics, or on misunderstanding about what is occuring presently.

I'm not going to deconstruct the whole tedious thing, but suffice to say, the people of Honduras are not illegal aliens. They did not walk to the US to become illegal aliens. When we destroyed their country lately by overthrowing their democratically -elected leader and installing the current monster, people with critical thinking skills immediately anticipated this crisis. The Hondurans, for now, are applying for temporary refugee statis. They are running for their lives.

So, right off the bat, those cartoons make no sense. Pay attention to your stats. Do those represent your thinking? Are you under the impression that the overwhelming majority of illegal aliens climbed a fence or snuck across the desert to get into the United States? Are you under the impression that Americans lost their coveted jobs to landscapers, dish washers, maids, and fruit pickers?

Edit: to say pre-rant, nothing personal against essayist. Respect FreeSociety for writing about immigration stuff here, it takes nerve to go against the grain even if they are just words. I am triggered by my Irish heritage, it is not that long since great grandpa came here to California to escape the asshole landlords in Ireland, the famine. Skipped the Statue of Liberty and rushed straight to California in 1853. The contribution of Irish labor following the Great Famine. harsh empathy

"The Wall" is for those who can't think farther then UniParty tells them to think. Torturing people who seek to improve what U.S. trade policies destroyed (right livelihood) is the epitome of inhumanity if you ask me. Not smart, the backlash will be just as cruel if not worse. Good luck future.

Duh! Why are there no caravans coming from Canada? Let's hear the UniParty 'splain that fact away, then we can talk about their efforts to build their creepy capitalist wall. Or not.

Mr. Trump is a racist piece of shit, Ms. Pelosi is the exact same thing but different veneer, a bright and shiny human piece of shit. Both are capitalist war pigs against common dignity and respect for all, that's what I think. They each treat the working class like chattel, no borders or walls for their Chamber of Commerce of course. Non-working seniors and disabled left in the economic ditch because why not. Grow or die, that is their golden ring. Die granny die!

Minimum wage in California is now $11 an hour, keep flushing! Is Bernie still bragging about "winning" the "Fight for $15" here, as John Muir spins in his human shit-filled Yosemite grave? I-Asshole is televising the revolution, so meh. No help from politicians, none.

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we create refugees. Wouldn't be wiser to stop fearing elected socialists and partnering with them rather than seeking to replace those leaders with corporate fascists? This goes back a long time...remember Smedley Butler?

“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

The control of these counties continues under both parties. Obomber and the $hill supported a Honduran coup replacing a duly elected populous. T-rump and his oligarchs approved an corrupt election in Honduras in order to install a corporacrat. The CIA worked (along with Bannon) to elect a fascist in Brazil last year. We're doing everything in our power to overthrow the elected gov't in Venezuela and Cuba.

My point is we don't need a wall, we need to quit destabilizing other countries in order to enrich our corporations. Who wants to leave their home? The money you suggest we "give" to CA goes for military training (Think school of the americas), control, repression, and out right murder....not to help but to control.

of the commenters in this thread.

While you're going to get slapped around for taking this stance on this site, it's to the site's credit that you're allowed to post this without being banned or running afoul of HR-gangs (something bad from another site many of us are refugees from).

I agree in large part with the comment from Lookout. It's very much true that it was us, the US, that created or contributed to almost every problem facing Central and South America. On the other hand, we won't fix the problem by taking in some refugees or "undocumented" immigrants.

The folks complaining about "pro-wall racists" seldom have a viable solution. They prefer taking potshots at the wall and crying over so-called family separation instead of actually doing something to end the execrable policies that cause such misery in our hemisphere.

So while your rhetoric comes off as strident and your tone ruffles feathers, it's good that you mention some of the downsides of current national policy -- trafficking, wage suppression, etc.

Now if only we could get people of compassion to fight as hard against the US's destructive policies as they do against the border wall and terminology like illegal immigrant, we might get somewhere.

I agree. More, I think it's on purpose. Let's just step back and take a look at what the "two parties" have offered us.

A) Democrats: Open borders. This is, of course, ridiculous. If you have open borders you don't have a nation.
B) Republicans: A militarized border with walls and spikes and hounds to be released. Again, ridiculous. First, it won't work and second, it's not the nation I want to live in.

But when you look at that it's the same dirty trick they always play. They have given us two options as polar extremes so that we can fight over the issue like dogs snarling over a bone. It seems to me that there must be answers that:

A) Provides some reasonable barriers to entry. Specifically, the normal stuff that was mentioned above... useful to the nation in some way.
B) Acknowledges the role and responsibility the US has in creating this particular refugee problem.
C) More generally, acknowledges human suffering globally.

And on that last one, perhaps then if we don't want everyone immigrating to the US we ought to reduce suffering globally? Or, I suppose we can continue on the path we are on which is to increase suffering domestically as well as abroad which will presumably in equalized misery across the globe.

Overall, I am sympathetic to the argument that "open borders" is a non-starter. It is also clearly true that insufficient funds is never the reason that the US fails to do something. The problem here is that the "two parties" have provided a false dichotomy.

for their support of the war OF terror. I would kid them that they needed to stay under their beds because they were so scared shitless they thought a terrorist was around every corner. They were so scared, they wanted the government to spy on them, make them take their shoes and even clothes off at the airports, watch their and everybody else's every move so they would be "safe".

Now here's Huckabee in the video (just got around to watching it) above asking why do we have all those spy cameras, why do we take off our shoes at the airports, etc. He says, "why, it's to keep us safe". He uses all that to justify the wall, to "keep us safe". What a joke. The republicans are still scared shitless and need the government to build a wall around everything so they can be safe.

It's funny how the republicans used to be for less government, but now they want the government to monitor every move everyone takes so they can be "safe". Poor people, I'd hate to have to run around all day scared of my own shadow.

I say they should go back to cowering under their beds.