U.S. War Crimes to finally be investigated
After 16 years of committing war crimes in Afghanistan, the chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court is opening a criminal investigation of the U.S. military and CIA.
Fatou Bensouda, a Gambian jurist who has been the ICC’s chief prosecutor since 2012, confirmed earlier suspicions that the United States would be implicated in the probe. The decision marks the first time the ICC under Bensouda will investigate American forces and operatives.
In a statement, Bensouda clarified that alleged “war crimes by members of the United States armed forces” and “secret detention facilities in Afghanistan” used by the CIA justified the court’s investigation. Earlier this month, she had announced that “there is a reasonable basis to believe that war crimes and crimes against humanity have been committed” in Afghanistan but had declined to specify by whom.
On Monday, she named the U.S. armed forces and the CIA among a roster of probe targets that also included the Taliban and its affiliated Haqqani network, as well as the Afghan National Security Forces
The United States is one of few nations that never submitted to the authority of the ICC, which was created in 2002.
However, Afghanistan is a member, and that's where many of our war crimes took place (and continue to take place).
But U.S. citizens can still be charged for relevant crimes they commit in other member states.
That means YOU: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Obama, and numerous generals and CIA officials.
Some of you may be thinking that we'll manipulate or just undermine the ICC, the same way we do the U.N. when it doesn't act according to our wishes. However, that is not an option in this case.
But the United States lacks the leverage to achieve such a goal as it is not a party to the Rome Statute, meaning that it does not have the rights and access to the ICC that a member state has. Defunding the court is also not an option because the ICC receives no U.S. funds.
Meanwhile, nearly all U.S. allies are members of the court. They not only fund it but also have populations that strongly support it. These countries are likely to rebuff pressure from Washington to delegitimize the court, as they did during George W. Bush’s first term in office. At the time, John Bolton, the U.S. ambassador to the UN, oversaw a strategy of what he called the “Three No’s.” This approach, he had said, meant “no financial support, directly or indirectly; no collaboration; and no further negotiations with other governments to improve the Rome Statute.” And its goal was to “maximize the chances that the ICC will wither and collapse, which should be our objective.” It didn’t work.
If you think the Afghani puppet government is going to impede the investigation and defend the American occupation forces, think again.
"She's right to launch such an investigation," says Karzai, referring to ICC Chief Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda.
Karzai also acknowledges that there were human rights violations during his government, and possibly under his watch. "Definitely, there were violations by the Afghan security forces, by the US, and by others," he says.
Some of you may be wondering what took so long? Why now after all this time?
It's because every single indictment of the ICC over the first 15 years was against an African country. Eventually the bias became to obvious and there was blowback.
Since the inception of the International Criminal Court more than a decade ago, only Africans have been brought to trial.
That fact has led to frequent accusations of bias by the first permanent tribunal set up to prosecute the worst atrocities on earth — war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity.
Last week, South Africa and Burundi announced that they were leaving the ICC, raising concern among human rights defenders about a potential exodus from the embattled court.
South Africa stepped back from leaving the ICC, but the threat remains. If the ICC doesn't start prosecuting non-Africans then the legitimacy of the ICC is in doubt.
Thus the Afghanistan war crimes investigation is absolutely necessary if the ICC is to survive.
So this investigation is going to happen. We cannot stop it.
The ICC war crimes investigation might only be the start.
The International Criminal Court very recently issued an arrest warrant for a militia leader in Libya which should catch the attention of U.S. policymakers, diplomats and prosecutors because of the possibility that his most senior commander—an American citizen by the name of Khalifa Haftar—ordered soldiers to commit war crimes. So has General Haftar been telling his subordinates to carry out the very acts that are part of the International Court’s arrest warrant, such as summary executions? Alex Whiting raised that prospect in a recent article at Just Security. Now startling video evidence of General Haftar’s potentially doing just that has emerged, we can report.
Why should this matter to America? Because Haftar is an American citizen and CIA asset.
And then there is this.
Chris Murphy Accuses U.S. of Complicity in War Crimes from the Floor of the Senate
I personally welcome our future Nuremberg-style war crime trials. We've got it coming.
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Love to know the politics behind this
They could have done this at anytime. Why now?
I find it hard to believe they are solely bowing to pressure from South Africa.
And I wonder how serious an investigation will be. Are they just going to look at lower level people and stop?
Call me still skeptical if hopeful.
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
I Think The Jig Is Up. We're Off Our Rockers and Are Fomenting
discord across the planet. Seems like simple "National Defense".
Maybe people are sick of being bullied. The fact that our people have no cash to consume might have something to do with it. Not to mention that our banksters have gone international and, I would imagine, hold most of the worst financial derivatives.
“Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.” ~ Sun Tzu
I believe it
South Africa carries much of Africa with it. SA leaving would take most of the continent with it.
Now imagine the ICC without being able to enforce its judgements on the continent which is it's favorite target. The ICC loses its relevancy.
The ICC either expands its focus or dies.
Republican surprisingly truthful
Even getting to be too much for Republicans now...
A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Great to see ! Next up ?
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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.
Overdue
maybe soon
What kind of penalties
can, or has, the ICC imposed?
Orwell: Where's the omelette?
evening jim...
there's an faq at the un site which says:
i found another article that is largely about the icc's perceived over-focus on african suspects which may yield some information about sentences that the court has imposed. in a quick skim of the beginning of the article, i found this:
No surprise there is no death penalty
Outside of China, Iran, KSA, and the U.S. almost no one puts people to death anymore.
The ICC is based in Europe.
That being said, if say Cheney get convicted of War Crimes, it would be nice to know that he could never leave America again for fear of arrest.
It's not enough, but it's something. Which is more justice than we have today.
I'd hope they'd seize his assets too . . .
. . .except, then, we'd be left holding the financial bag for him until death.
In my fantasy world, he, and all his murderous, hate-filled buddies (Killary and Dronebama included), would spend the rest of their lives in Guantanamo - with surviving members of the victims' families they tortured, vaporized, and starved, as their caretakers .
I do love me some karma, even if it's just in fantasy.
the death penalty in itself is a crime against humanity
and therefore should be a 'no, no' for any decent court. If the ICC would accept the death penalty as an option of punishment, it became itself a "criminal" court, imo.
And it's pretty telling that the ICC is not courageous enough to actually go against the "big, more or less not so white, war criminals" in our times and just sticked to the "little more browny ones" so far. Let's see if and how that may change. Remember also, that one tribe's war criminals, are another tribe's revolutionary heroes. I mean you just can't do anything reasonable with those humans. They are just a complete misconfiguration of God's trolls.
Sigh.
https://www.euronews.com/live
So, true.
The court itself is a farce
The only lesson any reasonable person could ever draw from Nuernberg is "don't lose a war". The victors will bend and break any rules they choose, another benefit of being "exceptional".
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
The court just issued a verdict for
Radovan Karadzic. He got a life sentence for genocide and war crimes. That's not a farce, imo. Even if Karadzic would appeal the sentence, the trial itself was not a farce, just took too long.
https://www.euronews.com/live
True, but then we get into the issue of equal protection.
The court is a joke because international law doesn't apply to everyone.
"Obama promised transparency, but Assange is the one who brought it."
You KNOW Putin is behind this, right?
I'm guessing that right now at the desks of WaPo a team of writers is diligently assembling the story about how anonymous sources within the intelligence community say, "We have proof that actors connected to Russia are behind these charges."
A lot of wanderers in the U.S. political desert recognize that all the duopoly has to offer is a choice of mirages. Come, let us trudge towards empty expanse of sand #1, littered with the bleached bones of Deaniacs and Hope and Changers.
-- lotlizard
That goes without saying
Putin has become Emmanual Goldstein
IF this happens...
... the process of arresting, charging, filing appeals, and otherwise getting these horrible cretins into an actual courtroom could mean they'll die before they ever go to trial. These people are as old, or older, than me. They'll get a doctor's excuse, if nothing else. Cheney could plead that his donor heart isn't working..., but..., he's still alive, so that's a lie.
If these war crimes trials happen (and I'm hoping beyond hope they do; you can't imagine how much I want these trials to happen!), it's going to cost me a whopping lot of money... for a fainting couch and smelling salts.
I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute ..., where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference. — President John F. Kennedy, Houston, TX, 12 September 1960
We pay trillions for war
Paying a few million for war crimes is a bargain.
We are not signatories to the ICC
"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott
The US is not a member of the ICC
Therefore it does not exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Crimin...
But the world is watching
Now I feel like Princess Leah, uploading a video into R2D2, for delivery to Obi Wan Kinobe. Our only hope?
Forgive the spelling - my spellcheck is turned off.
I addressed this
It means any ruling of theirs doesn't effect people living in the U.S.
However the crimes were committed in countries that were members of the ICC.
So the ICC can investigate, have a trial, and impose sentences for anyone convicted if they leave the U.S.
Remember Pinochet?
It's a joke.
"Earlier this month, she had announced that “there is a reasonable basis to believe that war crimes and crimes against humanity have been committed” in Afghanistan but had declined to specify by whom."
Reasonable basis my ass. When there is zero acknowledgement that the entire war and occupation of Afghanistan has been a war crime and that it leads directly to Bush, Obama, and now Trump and their key executives like the Secretaries of State, National Security Advisors, DOD chiefs, etc., then you know it's just a bunch of bullshit to cover the primary war criminal's rear ends.
It's lawyerspeak
It's not a joke. It's the way they talk.
Hoping their is an ounce of justice somewhere on the planet
because there isn't a lick of it in the US.
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon