Two short films from ‘Dispatches from Resistant Mexico’

How often do we speak of true grassroots democracy, self-determination, and the evils of capitalism?  There are other autonomous zones in Mexico, but when NAFTA took effect in 1994, the Zapatistas rose up, and created their own autonomous  democracy in Chiapas, so they were arguably the original model. Their struggles never end, but they are indomitable.

Both films are from Roar Magazine, ‘an independent journal of the radical imagination providing grassroots perspectives from the front-lines of the global struggle for real democracy’.

‘Dispatches from Resistant Mexico, (Roar Magazine) is a series of short documentaries from southern Mexico, each depicting one of the thousands of pockets of resistance throughout Latin America that are in struggle against what the Zapatistas call “the capitalist hydra”.

These individuals and communities affirm a way life in opposition to capitalist economics and values. They fight the devastating neoliberal “development” and “mega-projects” that loot resources and land from indigenous communities and threaten forms of life that have survived despite 500 years of colonization.

The resistance shares many of the principles and goals of the Zapatistas: autonomy from the capitalist economy, communalist self-government rooted in indigenous collective traditions, an end to the subordination of women and a respectful, life-affirming, non-dominating relation to nature. Indigenous women are at the forefront of many of these ongoing struggles.

Think from the Heart: the National Indigenous Congress in Mexico, Oct.7, 2018 — the first dispatch of the series — covers the twentieth anniversary gathering of the Zapatista-aligned National Indigenous Congress, an organization of indigenous groups fighting to protect their territories and communal forms of life. Delegates explain the principles of their organization, set against a celebration hosted in autonomous Zapatista territory.’

Both films were created by Caitlin Manning and Joe Bender.

Fancy that they’ve long been familiar with the term ‘greenwashing’, and believe that more shopping centers and luxury hotels…might not be healthy for their sacred places nor Mother earth herself!

“We are going to have to teach them, those who exploit us, that there is a form of life without exploiting anybody…”   

~Commandante Moises

‘Defending Land, Ocean and Air — the second dispatch of the series — looks at the transnational corporations that are building massives windfarms in the Isthmus of Tehuantepec, claiming it is clean energy and will mitigate global warming. Testimonies by indigenous locals, however, highlight a darker side to this story.

This film gives a snapshot of the formidable struggles being waged to combat the destructive windfarms encroaching in the Isthmus of Tehuantepec. These windfarms destroy flora and fauna, change weather patterns and encroach on the ways of life.

‘The Dark Side of Clean Energy in Mexico’, Renata Bessi & Santiago Navarro F., Truthout, January 29, 2016

““Not only is it wind energy, but also oil and gas, and also mining, an infrastructure for the movement of goods. Therefore, this wind mapping is only a pretext to map the full potential of this whole geostrategic area, which functions as a type of catalog to offer it to businesses.”

The wind corridor was designed from the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), signed in 1994 by Mexico, the United States and Canada, subsequently given continuity with the international agreement, Plan Puebla Panama (PPP), and now remade into Proyecto Mesoamerica. The project’s main objective was to “create favorable conditions for the flow of goods, oil, minerals and energy.”

“Clean energy is part of this context. It’s part of the continuity of the exponential economic growth of capital; it is not something alternative to it. It’s another link that is painted green,” Mora said.”

Mother Earth is sick; the disease is global warming. They want to profit with the same disease that they have caused to Mother Earth,” said Carlos Sanchez, a Zapotec activist who participated in the resistance against the installation of the wind farm in Barra de Santa Teresa Park and the installation of a park by Gas Natural Fenosa in Juchitan de Zaragoza.”Under the pretext of reducing global warming, they come to our territories to control our forests, mountains, our sacred places and our water.”

Their Human Rights Violations section is enraging, i.e.: ‘company hit men backed by the state’.

Now those are some of the external costs of wind farms, aside from poisoning aquifers, those giant metal superstructures of cement and metal to anchor them, preventing irrigation of crops, insane levels of noise pollution, and more,but let’s foist the costs and degradations of Mother Earth and ecosphere onto those least able to defend themselves against them an ship the power to California, wherever so they can buy more crap they don’t need, refrigerate their houses, heat their swimming pools, and be good little cogs in the consumer society.

I wonder how the Zapotec will have greeted this news?

‘AMLO announces 1.1 billion pesos for trans-isthmus train project; Existing route will be upgraded to provide faster service from coast to coast’, September 19, 2018, mexicodailynews.com

“The new train will not only be faster but at some point in the future will provide a passenger service as well as freight, he said.

The route, between Salina Cruz, Oaxaca, on the Pacific coast and Coatzacoalcos, Veracruz, on the Gulf of Mexico, has frequently been described as a potential rival to the Panama Canal because of the freight it might carry from coast to coast.”

You might be interested in ‘The Revolutionary Autonomous Zapatista Movement in Chiapas: a Primer’, 02/28/2018, wd, Café Babylon version, caucus99percent version (in which I was schooled that people often don’t have time for lengthy epistles, and it’s indeed longish, but chock full of Zapatista folk art).

And from Oct. 18, 2018 at EZLN.org: ‘DECLARATION FROM THE SECOND NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OF THE NATIONAL INDIGENOUS CONGRESS AND THE INDIGENOUS GOVERNING COUNCIL’, speaking of longish.  Three paragraphs:

“We bring you this urgent message because as originary peoples our struggle against the profound sickness caused by capitalism means that we must weave life—this is the task given to us by our ancestors. With hope based in memory and in times to come, we sow and grow life everywhere we can, weaving ourselves collectively as a people and thereby weaving ourselves also as persons.” [snip]

“Lies abound when the peoples of Mexico are cynically subordinated to the interests of the United States via the Free Trade Treaty which López Obrador [AMLO] has already pledged to ratify. López Obrador stated in one of his first declarations that he would not stray from the current monetary and fiscal policy—neoliberal policy, that is—backing that with a pledge to keep the army in the streets and plans to recruit 50,000 young people into the armed forces, which have functioned only to repress, displace, and sow terror across the nation.

When we tried to stop this war and gain recognition of the rights of the indigenous peoples in the Mexican Constitution via the San Andrés Accords, we were betrayed. The real boss, the one we don’t see and who actually rules over those who claim to govern, ordered the imposition of a series of laws that legalized the violent theft of our lands, established programs to divide us and pit us against each other, and sowed discrimination and racism across the country. Thus there is also no end to the lies in their shameless claims that they will recognize the San Andrés Accords or our self-determination within their rotten laws, without ever touching the murderous capitalist farce that is the Mexican State.”

(cross-posted from Café Babylon)

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good morning. la resistance. yep. never say never, cause you never can tell...

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@magiamma

but as i'm not sure what your comment means, i'm at a loss as to how to respond. but what i'd hoped to convey in part is that green capitalism and 'renewable energy' are the worst sorts of false solutions to climate chaos, and that the Indigenous in Mexico (and south america) have known exactly how capitalism has been killing Gaia for a long, long time. at the rio 2012 sustainability conference the indigenous also were only too aware of the evils of bill gates and co.'s 'green revolution' genetically modified organisms, which was the primary reason that the zapaistas rose up in 1994 to create their own autonomous zones.

their lifeblood has been maize, and Nafta was about to kill seed sovereignty and put the 142 or something varieties in jeopardy.

and oh, those suggestions by bill mckibben and friends to 'swap your gas-guzzler for an electric SUV'. seriously, where do they pretend that the electricity is generated?

thanks for reading, magiamma.

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Yes. Thanks for the green capitalism alert. Money to be made. Not helping the planet but filling pockets. McKibben is a mixed bag. He brings awareness to a lot of people but then misdirects the energy into mostly usless endeavors. I have a hard time with sugarcoating of what I consider to be an emergency.

My, once again, cursory comment was abt the Zapatistas. More power to them. Thank you for all the info you feed me and others. Love it.

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your brief comment, amiga. yes to mckibben and both increasing awareness and mis-directions, of which there are many, including the relative folly of his signature BDS movement, but that's a whole 'nother story.

the zapatistas' version of grassroots democracy i'd discussed at the 'primer' link, and i admire their visions of 'another world is possible', and credos such as: 'if something doesn't work, try something else' in terms of bottom-up principles. their ways are off-putting to many, including their masks, but subcommandante marcos (now moises, as per magical realism) did try to explain them, if a bit whimsically.

but now with AMLO, they're under fire again, after surviving bombings and strafings of their (then) encampments in their early days. and yeah, they're armed, but don't apologize for it, as they mean to survive and thrive. even their earthy folk art is inspirational to me. their caracole form of governance networking may not 'scale up' as the saying goes, but it does show how true democracy and self-determination might look.

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@magiamma I am so done with McKibben. He may be well-meaning, but wow! does he have his limits. And I'll leave it at that.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
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Their Human Rights Violations section is enraging, i.e.: ‘company hit men backed by the state’.

And don't forget the many U.S. companies' henchmen, along with our state department (who knows who else, paid by our taxes), reigning terror on the people in all of Latin America. If it's not drug and weapons, it's natural resources. Greedy fingers in lots of Latin pies.

#RememberBerta
She was an endigenous environmental activist and water protector from/in Honduras. She was assassinated two weeks after publicly stating that Hillary Clinton (sec of state at the time iirc) was behind the violent taking and raping of the land and water for corporate profit of U.S. companies. Her assassination was called a 'robbery gone bad'. Seth Rich, anyone?

https://bertacaceres.org

Thanks for posting this about Mexico, Wendy.

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beautiful, brave berha's cavalier assassination, and keep track of her trial a bit at telesur english, although recently clicking into many of their new stories now go to 'page not found', and i wonder if they're aware of it.

but resource wars by the imperium in africa (esp. central africa) are as bloody and wretched, as well. currently at the top of the list beyond the usual ones are rare earth metals, some of the chokeholds for wait for it...battery storage, esp. for electric cars, iirc.

thanks for the reminder, and for bringing bertacacres.org.

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metal" a decade ago when I spun tunes on the internet. "Second Life," actually. And a place there called "Wellstone Cafe" (after Paul Wellstone, natch). But I often (if not always) snuck in 'Big Yellow Taxi' in between the head banging, in the long odds that someone hadn't heard it. And every once in awhile get a, "Wink, who's that?!" Great little song that's not so little.

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it's not a little song, but only too prescient as to what rampant consumerism in the name of capital has wrought since that day.

mr. wd poke about bit, and had discovered that there was a big birthday bash for joni's 75th birthday (imagine that) recently, and that she was led onto the stage, but couldn't speak. she'd apparently suffered a brain aneurysm. did you know that as an adult her daughter that she'd given up for adoption when she was a teen had found her through records searches? her daughter is also an accomplished musician and artist. whooosh. what a reunion that must have been!

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I could not watch it all the way to the end. I do recommend watching it however.

There is plenty of evidence that wind is not effective. Study after study shows that wind power is not cost effective for reducing CO2. Wind farms not only destroy the ecosystems upon which they are built but also kill wildlife as they produce energy.

May the indigenous win their fight.

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land wind turbines required such a massive cement-and-metal structure to anchor them to the ground. poking about for offshore sorts shows there are many different types, even floating ones, but most need deep concrete and metal pylons driven deep as anchors, plus cable systems connected to offshore platforms to transport the power to land. most sites claimed that there is relatively little oil seepage from the turbines, but here's the Us dept. of energy's BOEM page on wind power with maps, graphics, etc.

certainly preferable to land windfarms. i'd think, but the turbines have to be built, i assume of metal, given that 'adaptations to corrosion', and the blades seem to be made of plastic polymers and fiberglass, from what i could find.

on edit: thanks for the links to the bentek studies, and i'm assuming they're correct (?) and not industry-motivated as some studies are touting various 'renewables' never mentioning the hidden costs and external financial costs.

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@wendy davis @wendy davis When we're looking at an 80% extinction rate...or worse...I'd think anything short of nuclear or geoengineering would be fine by me as an alternative to fossil fuels.

EDIT: I hasten to add that I'm talking about comparing different energy systems...not about disregarding indigenous people's sovereignty and forcing wind farms down their throats.

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climate chaos emergency came at least a decade ago. but do look at magiama's forbes bentek study link; you might change your mind.

with the external costs plus actual carbon footprints, even green tech capitalism of this sort might hurt more than help. i'm agnostic, but on any sort of scale that might help...'boondoggle' comes to mind. we can't shop our way out of this. are the USian off-coast wind turbines helping overall or hurting?

driving pylons hundreds of feet into the ocean bed (methane release?), the electrical cables v/ sea critters, coral reefs, but srsly, bingling 'downsides' gets you to 'complaints about birds being killed'. downsides and external costs to solar arrays and battery storage? sorta the same thing.

but we still run into massive endorsements of cap-and-trade carbon. ay yi yi.

oh, and here are a few tips to de-clutter comments in case you're interested. i'd DMed you some time ago with them, dunno if you'd looked at them or not.

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@wendy davis Agreed on how it's shutting the barn door after the horses got out.

And yes, there are ecological costs to any kind of energy system. When those costs weigh more than the ecological benefits (particularly in relation to carbon dioxide and methane), the system becomes worthless. Where to draw the line is the question, or would be, if we could really have this policy discussion.

However, as I figured out seven or eight years ago, our problem is not a policy problem, it's a political problem. We are run by people who would do anything to protect maximized profit. They are also highly deceitful. The systems run by them have the purpose of promoting either maximized profit or the deceit that covers up the pursuit of maximized profit and makes it look like something else. Their favorite thing to do, post-Bush (aside from character assassination, which is an old classic of which they never tire) is to lead with something that looks good and moral; left-wing versions of goodness and morality are particularly prized, though they also promote right-wing versions such as "drain the swamp." So they rail against racism and ban Alex Jones with great hoopla, and follow that up by quietly banning a dozen or more independent left-wing voices; they call something a "wind corridor" and put up some wind farms, while also engaging in all the old extractive practices, and while, of course, completely disregarding the impacts of wind farms, which in a rational and just society would be analyzed and weighed against the benefits and minimized as much as possible. They also, of course, do all of this in a colonial, imperialistic way, because they are colonizers, and while they are not imperialists, they share many imperialist goals. Obviously, the decisions on what kind of climate change mitigation to pursue should be made locally.

I realize that such self-determination would make a global treaty against the use of fossil fuels more or less impossible, because what happens when communities (not the Zapatistas, but, say, West Virginians) decide that they WANT fossil fuels? But I think, again, a compromise could be developed where communities could choose which way they want to reduce emissions from a number of different options, or create an option themselves (which would have to meet the actual scientific requirements of climate change mitigation), and the only thing that was mandated was that they get off fossil fuels. Each community could relate the particulars of their own situation: in the case of the Zapatistas, they could bring forward their (almost certainly) small carbon footprint and that would have an effect on what they were required to do; the West Virginians could bring forward the fact that, other than coal, they have little in the way of an economy; help would then be available in building whatever kind of alternative economy the local people agreed to. Would they still be pissed that they were being forced to give up coal mining? Yeah, probably, but there are limits to self-determination just like there are limits to profit and everything else...or should be.

What I'm getting at is that respecting self-determination and making the best energy choices for climate mitigation are possible and possibly compatible goals (theoretically); they're just complex problems and the process for solving them is difficult. This isn't some kind of zero-sum game, nor should each energy technology, in turn, be shot down because it's not good enough. The costs and benefits should be deliberated, scientists and engineers should be set to creating better options that eliminate or minimize the costs, hell, you know the drill. This is the business of a civilization, and it's not impossible; it's just hard.

Except that it is impossible, because we are ruled by psychopaths who can't be removed from the outside.

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amiga. while i agree that it's a political problem, i'd add problem of the capitalist system, which system only requires that more profits be made, and 'if bidnesses don't keep expanding, they die'. theoretically i can agree with your formula as well as its limits in different communities, etc. i also agree that deception by the Lords of Green Renewable Tech are often deceivers, this i'm not sure about, save that you add to it: "This isn't some kind of zero-sum game, nor should each energy technology, in turn, be shot down because it's not good enough."

Renewable has become quite the efficacious buzzword by now, but no one considers the Q: "is it sustainable" for gaia, the people, and "at what costs, not only in monetary terms, but ruining sacred places, etc. as with raping and plundering them, including in the US, of course.

but i admit i that while she started realistically (after her crying descriptions), carol dansureau's 'Climate and the Infernal Blue Wave: Straight Talk About Saving Humanity' nov 13, CP
(IPPC report, everyone should be sleepless, etc.)

Huge hits on obomba, dems...

Leaving Dead-ends and Delusions Behind

It is clearly suicidal to continue the long-time dominant strategy of major environmental groups: striving to get Democrats elected and working with them for incremental reforms.

Here’s the truth. Carbon taxes, divestment, fuel efficiency standards, tax credits for solar panels, setting nice goals, and similar policy measures are not going to work. Nor is begging people to drive less, eat lower on the food chain, and otherwise tread more lightly on the planet. And doing all of these things at the same time won’t make them magically add up to salvation.

To halt global warming, we need to rapidly stop fossil fuel production, period. At the same time, we need to develop and implement comprehensive plans that i) directly deploy renewables, mass transit and other climate solutions at the necessary grand scale, ii) provide economic security for all workers, including in particular, those displaced by climate mitigation, and iii) ensure that every person has the capacity and resources to live healthy lives for themselves and the planet."

then a three point treatise, plus:

"In other words, we need to move beyond capitalism. We need socialism. Instead of ceding decision-making authority and resources to a few oligarchs, we need to keep these for ourselves.

Neither the Democratic nor the Republican Parties are going to move us beyond capitalism. They’ve made that abundantly clear.

Both parties are happy with the current inherently undemocratic capitalist system. Under that system, major industries are privately owned, which means a few people get to make decisions that affect everyone. (Exxon’s and Chevron’s owners get to decide whether to pull oil and gas from the ground, for example.)"

[huge and worthy organizin, make community snip]

she finishes:

"Roadmaps already exist laying out how current renewable technologies can swiftly replace fossil fuels. There are more than enough resources to create the world we want—one in which everyone’s needs are met, and we live in harmony with our environment. When we no longer cede the reins and our wealth to the few, we, the many, will find our way forward."

this is the cliffs notes version of the pdf she links to.

longer pdf. Jobs created! tra la la pie-in the sky capitalist roadmap. now she had me depressed, lol.

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@wendy davis I did look at them; just promptly forgot about them. Sorry. Sad

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@wendy davis a try as far as decluttering goes

Um. Not sure I'm doing it right.

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"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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catchin' on, gurlfriend! now if you'd hit enter a time or two after @wd, it would read even more clearly.

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this works. Giving it another go...

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-- Fiver

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like this is as good as it gets?

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; )

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given that JtC had said that images eat up a lot of the site's bandwidth, you might want to look at tips on downsizing images (photos and graphics) such as your signal wave one and any others. i was disappointed at those who'd claimed it doesn't matter any more, they were incorrect, afaik. it's no longer a three-column site, he changed it back under request.

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how far down the adam smith and forbes roads to go, but i'd pinged a bit later 'nah, this couldn't be that adam smith'. but it is. so i did read some of the reports we ere invited to read, on all 'renewables' (never sustaianable for all and the ecosphere, of course) and clearly the site has a laissez-faire free market agenda, including yawning about organic farming as 'there are enough mineral fertilizers still available' (whatever that means, petro-chemicals weren't mentioned, but phosphates and potassium as stand-alones were), and backups will always require fossil fuels, etc. and be more cost-effective to boot, etc.

back in the day i knew far more about smith and the 'invisible hand' and other of his books, even wrote about them. forbes? i dunno; do they have an agenda? but i hope the bentek studies are valid, in any event.

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@wendy davis I agree.

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other indigenous and their fears of AMLO, and got zapped to telesur english, which site has been massively in approval of him, and his campaign promises. i found 'amlo promises to implement the san andreas accords' but this response:

"The EZLN has not responded to the latest developments. However, in a statement issued on Friday and signed by the subcomanders Galeano and Moises, the Zapatistas declared they don't support AMLO.
"They might change the overseer, the butlers and the foremen, but the owner is the same... at least the current illusion soothes that history of failures to which the foreseen disappointment will be added," it says."

a story on the sidebar is 'Bernie Sanders: US Midterms Pave Way for Progressives in 2020' with this outtake:

"Now that Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives, the possibility of seriously investigating allegations of collusion are far greater.

“I think that it is absolutely imperative that the Mueller investigation looking at possible Trump campaign collusion with the Russians must be allowed to proceed unimpeded," Sanders said. "If it is not allowed it would constitute an obstruction of justice and that would, in fact, be an impeachable offense. My hope is that Trump is smart enough to understand that.”

a video underneath i also found on youtube: 'corbyn and sanders believe in AMLO', lopez obrador having earlier been dubbed 'mexico's bernie sanders'. but the indigenous know that he's already declared mexico open for bidness with the new nafta, bidness and extractive industries, further neoliberalization, trump himself, as the zapitistas are keenly aware, and wsws.org had reported from his first post-election-win speech.

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Power corrupts, business as usual. Power to the zaps.

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but additionally, not that Gaia's rainforests aren't already experiencing drought, but jair bolsonaro, brazil's new fascist prez is about to cut down the amazonian rain forest for agriculture and cattle grazing. he's an easy target given his love for pinochet's rule and all, but josé tirado likens it to his own (and many's) vertigo, small wonder.

"Seriously. An admirer of fascism has been elected President in Brazil and he is advocating even more “development” of the rainforests which give us more than 20% of the oxygen we need to live."

he doesn't mention carbon sinks per se, but the indigenous in the rain forest, including some 'uncontacted tribes', the best guardians of the forest...will not survive his rapacious plundering.

will Gaia just shrug humanoids off the planet soon? leave it to the cockroaches and dolphins to start some planetary evolution again?

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@wendy davis Not surprised at Bernie, am surprised at Jeremy who, frankly, is a lot better than Bernie.

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to who amlo was pretending to be? but then, corbyn has made common cause with some pretty strange groups, according to headlines, so...i dunno.

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might Quetzalcoatl's rising/birthplace equal aussie xavier rudd's spirit bird'? i reckon so.

the indigenous spirit will live on, even if...in the stars.

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I have been fascinated with the Zapatistas since the early 90s. They are some of the very few who seem to be finding their way forward.

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-- Fiver

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but i'm so out of juice for tonight. may i come back tomorrow and respond? given your several various responses, we may be on the same page in the end.

sleep well if you're able, and good night.

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@wendy davis Sure, no problem. I'm not one of those that freaks out at the lack of immediate response. I'm a veteran of Usenet and the blogosphere, back when people didn't expect response to be instantaneous.

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as a colonial project of destroyer capitalism.

And equally obviously, pretty much anything that destroyer capitalism does is going to end up being shit, whether it's running a city or promoting clean energy--or promoting "clean" energy.

I was a green capitalist type once.

"Words, Bernardo...words. There was a time when I believed in words."
--Brother Sun, Sister Moon

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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@wendy davis I'm placing my cursor after the @numbers

I hit Enter twice

That's what I did before and it didn't have good results, from which I conclude that one has to backspace over the @numbers in order to truly declutter the message. Which I'm now doing--

EDIT 1: OK, doing that took the comment out of the thread altogether and made it just a comment on your diary. So I'm putting the single @wendy davis back in.

I'm afraid this might be as good as it gets.

EDIT 2:OK, now the comment is stuck outside the thread.

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"More for Gore or the son of a drug lord--None of the above, fuck it, cut the cord."
--Zack de la Rocha

"I tell you I'll have nothing to do with the place...The roof of that hall is made of bones."
-- Fiver

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contemplating bolsonaro's decimation of the rainfores for agriculture, beef (?) (hunziker's up with that story today)

"(Source: Forests Absorb One-Third of Global Fossil Fuel Emissions, University of Leeds, Environment News, July 15, 2011)

“The large uptake of CO2 by forests implies that the world’s agricultural lands, grasslands, desert and tundra each play a more limited role as globally significant carbon dioxide sources or sinks at present. This new information can help pinpoint where actions to conserve carbon sinks are likely to have most impact,” Ibid.

Bolsonaro’s war plan is exhaustive: (1) expand agriculture into indigenous lands (2) build Amazonia highways (3) infrastructure projects and (4) major mines, as “Amazonia transforms into a commodity for export.” But, that particular export is much more than a commodity; it is the life support system for the entire planet.

then his imaginings run wild, oh, my stars. but i'd watched some videos of the uncontacted tribes in the rainforest, but:

remember this?

well he appears to have some renewables bidness, but is touting this conference (on twitter), public-private partnerships, innovative finance and solutions. i do realize that they all mean well...or well enough, although i dunno their sponsors are.

closing time for me, and as a lullaby, i guess i'll go with nanci griffith's cover of this tender and poignant song from the wayback machine. i like jane ray book with it:

g' night.

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