Trump Democrat Says Pipeline to Continue; McKibben Points to Successes

Yesterday we decided to brave the cold and ride our bikes to yoga. Cold is relative of course, was up to 40F with a wind. Thinking about the Water Protectors spurred us on, up there in North Dakota where cold is damn cold.

Heh. Yes, you read my title correctly , I'm calling Senator Heide Heitkamp a 'Trump Democrat '

Sen. Heidi Heitkamp, North Dakota Democrat, said Monday the project would proceed after Mr. Trump is inaugurated Jan. 20, saying the legal fight against the pipeline is “not winnable.”

The 1,172-mile, four-state pipeline, whose route lies almost entirely on private land, only needs federal approval for a 1,100-foot stretch along the Missouri River at Lake Oahe. The Army Corps issued the permit in July before pulling it in response to the protest.

“When you look at it, we know one thing for sure, that when the administration changes, the easement is going to be approved,” Ms. Heitkamp told CNBC’s “Squawk Box.” “I think President-elect Trump said that.”

A moderate Democrat, Ms. Heitkamp is being considered for a position as interior secretary or energy secretary in the Trump administration.

The Trump transition team said Monday that Mr. Trump had sold his interest in Energy Transfer Partners, which had created a potential conflict of interest for the president-elect.

In a Sunday statement, the company blasted the Obama administration’s decision as “just the latest in a series of overt and transparent political actions by an administration which has abandoned the rule of law in favor of currying favor with a narrow and extreme political constituency.”

“As stated all along, ETP and SXL [Sunoco Logistics Partners] are fully committed to ensuring that this vital project is brought to completion and fully expect to complete construction of the pipeline without any additional rerouting in and around Lake Oahe,” said the statement. “Nothing this administration has done today changes that in any way.”

We shall see. Strange Days. Yesterday Al Gore met with Invanka and the Donald on Climate Change.

Bill McKibben encourages future action and points to the efficacy of protest as a contributing factor that impacts stopping pipeline projects in the US.

Al Gore seemed upbeat after his meet with Trump. Would be amazed if Trump did anything significant in this area. Still, time is growing short and action is needed stat.

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divineorder's picture

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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need to oppose both parties.

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"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

divineorder's picture

some time ago and now unite on issues that put party loyalty a back seat to results.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

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but he says "there's no conflict of interest." And we can take his word on that. haha

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To thine own self be true.

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Surprised to read today that he sold all his stocks back in June to fund his campaign, but no real proof that really happened.

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A truth of the nuclear age/climate change: we can no longer have endless war and survive on this planet. Oh sh*t.

Scrolling down and reading some of the comments and doing a little research, I come up with the following.

October 28, 2014

Why M&T Bank Is One of the Biggest Warren Buffett Stocks

Also from October 28, 2014

Phillips 66 Becomes Joint Venture Partner with Energy Transfer to Build Bakken Crude Oil Pipelines

-Energy Transfer Equity, L.P. (NYSE:ETE), Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. (NYSE:ETP) (ETE and ETP collectively, “Energy Transfer”) and Phillips 66 (NYSE:PSX) announced that they have formed two joint ventures to develop the previously announced Dakota Access Pipeline (DAPL) and Energy Transfer Crude Oil Pipeline (ETCOP) projects. Energy Transfer holds a 75 percent interest in each joint venture and will operate both pipeline systems. Phillips 66 owns the remaining 25 percent interests and will fund its proportionate share of the construction costs. The DAPL and ETCOP projects are expected to begin commercial operations in the fourth quarter of 2016.

August 30, 2016

Why Has Buffett's Berkshire Upped its Stake in Phillips 66?

It's always about following the money.

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That insatiable greed is intended to be the death of us all. It never occurs to the Greeds that there will be downsides for themselves, as well. (The following is gross, but not nearly as gross as what the Greeds are doing to the world, and if they only realized, to themselves. We are all, as living beings, interdependent parts of the whole.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxRnenQYG7I

Monty pythons, Mr creosote, Full version

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.

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five hours after the initial tweet.

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"You can't just leave those who created the problem in charge of the solution."---Tyree Scott

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how is it we have come to a point where a bank actually even THINKS it can act in such a fashion and not be extinguished for doing so? Tim to (again) subordinate corporations fully and wholly to the will and welfare of the People.

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Tue, 12/06/2016 - 11:43pm — solublefish

That kind of stuff is such an obvious evil

how is it we have come to a point where a bank actually even THINKS it can act in such a fashion and not be extinguished for doing so? Tim to (again) subordinate corporations fully and wholly to the will and welfare of the People.

Well, first, the financial industry got to do all kinds of illegal stuff and crash the economy, to get bailed out at public expense, make huge bonuses for the top criminals on top of whatever else; people lost their homes due to bank criminality and banks got bailed out and got the homes as well; banks have been outright stealing homes not only from customers but from people with paid-off homes or who had never held a mortgage with them; banks stole money from customers and are pushing for a cashless system of alterable/glitchable/hackable/power-dependent electronic medium of exchange where they hold, control and can steal all of everyone else's money.

So withholding a customer's funds for a few hours while people are trapped in blizzard conditions doesn't seem like much to them, does it?

They know they won't be subject to justice - unless the people boycott and continue the move to credit unions, and I hope that they don't get taken over by insatiable psychopaths as well.

There ain't nobody down here under the trampling feet squeezing the juice out of us but us - and we're not the last of their wine but our own 99% solution.

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Will everyone please desist from posting pictures of the Boy Emperor's face all over the boards? I can't stand seeing it anymore. And the dude hasn't even been inaugurated yet.

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As we protest long and hard and loud, profits diminish. As the cost/benefit approaches zero investors fall out. That is why we need to keep it up.

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At Thanksgiving my daughter asked if the Sioux owned the land where the pipeline is being built. I know they claim to own part of the route based on an 1851 treaty that granted them millions of acres in present-day Montana, Wyoming and he Dakotas, but my daughter got me thinking about how title to that land was transferred out of Sioux ownership. Did they sell it to someone? What happened? I consulted Wikipedia and mainly a book by Mari Sandoz titled "Crazy Horse: The Strange Man of the Oglalas."

In a nut shell, as best I can tell, what happened is that in 1874 gold was discovered in the Black Hills. The United States decided to take most of the Sioux land, disarm them and take their horses and confine them to much smaller reservations. Most of the Sioux and their Cheyenne allies refused the offer so in June of 1876 the United States sent three armies to attack the Sioux and Cheyenne -- one from the West, one from the South and one from the East. The army from the West never materialized, but from the South came Gen. George Crook commanding about 1,000 cavalry and infantry, armed with the latest repeating rifles, and several hundred Crow and Shoshone scouts.

A force of about 1,000 Sioux and Cheyenne warriors under the Sioux Chief Crazy Horse rode out to meet them, armed with a few hundred rifles but mainly bows and arrows, lances and clubs. On June 17th they attacked Crook's column on the banks of Rosebud Creek in present-day Montana. Crazy Horse had devised new tactics to fight the soldiers and the new tactics worked splendidly. While Crook stayed in the background surrounded by his body guards and watched the action with a telescope, Crazy Horse personally led his warriors into battle. The battle lasted about six hours and, at one point, the soldiers shot the horse out from under a Cheyenne chief. He was surrounded and fighting for his life when all of a sudden his sister charged through the soldiers and enabled the chief to jump onto her horse. As Sandoz described the event, "With him on behind her she zigzagged back through the soldiers, bullets flying, the warriors making a great chanting for this brave thing done."

Inspired by her heroism, the warriors intensified their attacks and sent Crook's army into retreat. It was one of the greatest Native American victories in American history, even bigger than the victory a few days later at the Little Bighorn. Back at the war department in Washington the brass was shocked. Not only was one of their armies routed and the other massacred, they had been humiliated by what the generals considered to be stone age savages.

Unable to defeat the Sioux and Cheyenne on the battlefield, they sent thousands of reinforcements to conduct a winter campaign against the Indians in the mountains where they had been safe winters before. The Indians were unable to use their horses much in the winter but the U.S. tried something new. Cavalry horses were fitted with special iron shoes designed to provide sure footing on ice and snow. The cavalry was able to sneak up on the Indian camps and mount brutal attacks at dawn killing many men, women and children. In the spring of 1877 Crazy Horse decided to give up and took those of his people who survived the winter onto a reservation. (Sitting Bull and his band escaped to Canada).

Government agents made a huge effort to persuade the confined Sioux and Cheyenne to deed away their 1851 lands using whiskey and threats of starvation but, at least as far as I could tell, none of the major chiefs and no where near enough of the rank and file signed away their homeland to make it official. So, what happened is that the U.S. government took the land at gun point. That's the beginning of the chain of title for land taken for the Dakota Access Pipe Line. Will it hold up in court?

By the way, Mari Sandoz wrote another book about Native American heroism titled "Cheyenne Autumn."

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It's long past time to stop the predation and theft of other people's stuff all around the world committed by TPTB using the American government, public funding and military, all of these stolen from the American people, starting by stopping it at home, at Standing Rock.

If this is recorded history, reparations should begin immediately. Time to demand back.

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Psychopathy is not a political position, whether labeled 'conservatism', 'centrism' or 'left'.

A tin labeled 'coffee' may be a can of worms or pathology identified by a lack of empathy/willingness to harm others to achieve personal desires.