Thursday Open Thread 5-10-2018
Layers of rock, layers of life created the ground beneath our feet. From time past to time present through times eternity there is always rumbling and exploding at the edge of our consciousness, the intermittent violent eruptions of volcanoes.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMLCHTw_C04]
Interesting thought - do the type of disasters experienced in different parts of the country give people the idea consequences are temporary and recoverable vs a significant change for forever.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/low-rents-drew-residents-take-risk-livi...
Some residents saw eruptions as inevitable and said if Pele, the Hawaiian volcano goddess, wanted the land back, then she would take it.
Wilson, who grew up in Springfield, Missouri, was less philosophical. He has been trying to rescue his possessions before they are torched.
He was forced back on Sunday when he saw smoke coming from cracks in the road on the approach to his house.
“I’m from Tornado Alley. So I’m no stranger to disasters, but this is something else,” said Wilson. “This is crazy.”
Richard D. Wolff Speech 2018 (Bad news for capitalism)
He is hopeful about a window of opportunity for possible change that is opening. Tremendous amount of information for us to learn regarding Marx economics theory vs capitalism, US history of communism, socialism and labor movement. Discusses importance of worker co-ops as a workplace option. (2 hours)
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhxWNOtUn90]
Farm Report
Three weeks ago I mentioned these were my last calves and did not get the chance to answer riverlover's question "So you want to get out of beef?
Can you tell us your reasons? Other than cost/benefit." Since there were a number of thumbs up I feel an obligation to explain how the choice fits into my idea of resilience.
I am making this property my age in place home and an working on a plan to stay here the rest of my life. There is no younger generation to step in and help or say slow down the place is more than you can handle. I will need to walk the delicate balance of staying independent and active, while recognizing for the signs to slow down and stop doing certain activities. When my mother was my age (55+) she required significant assistance and eventually moved into my home. On the flip side my grandmother and great-grandmother were in their mid 80's before needing assistance. One never knows what the future will bring.
Cattle are large animals and do not need to be aggressive to cause a serious injury. A slip on ice, a kick, a shove or one of step on a foot can can break a bone. Young animals are more unpredictable and more likely to create a situation that causes a problem.
I have had health issues for a couple of decades that causes episodic decreases of stamina, strength and agility. Some days are better than others and I do not have anyone on the place as back-up in case of an injury or illness. There is the risk if I can not do the chores for a number of days or weeks everyone gets sent to the sale yard as butcher animals probably to a commercial slaughter house. Would prefer not to ever have to use that option.
The irrigation now take 50% fewer line changes than 4 years ago. Which means I can continue to do the work for many more years or if I hire it will cost less. Water can now be leased back to the river without loosing water rights and the fields would simply dry up or the could be leased with or without the second residence on the place.
Livestock is the easiest method of weed and grass control Letting the number of animals on the place slowly decrease to a sustainable level. Ideally the animals will be able to graze green grass or dried grass in the field for 11 to 12 month of the year. Only feeding hay at times of heavy snow.
Permanent garden beds are being set up for easy maintenance and access with a permanent walkways. Planting a few perennial vegetables and berries.
Even my ferrel cats are past middle age 12 & 14 years old.
The raven is walking the field flipping cow pies to eat the bugs and worms in the moist soil underneath. So far this spring he is out there almost everyday.
Lilacs will be in mass of flowers soon.
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Good morning SoE and fellow caucusers
Your words of balancing needs as we age apply to us all. Every new project creates a new maintenance chore(s). I still have projects. I'm working on a new compost heated warm frame. I still need to build an equipment shed...and on and on. Working toward those things is fun to me. After a teaching career where it is difficult to see what (if anything) you've accomplished, I've found it very satisfying building and establishing our homestead. You both see and reap the benefits of your labor. After 30+ years, I have a great sense of satisfaction... living in a home I designed and built with friends...surrounded by a woodlot I've watched mature...having a garden with increased fertility and soil health...and so on. I think this is what gives me the ability to examine this insane world without going insane myself.
You can develop a real relationship with animals like cows and horses, but large animals can very much hurt or even kill you even though they love you. I've not had either since I was a kid. I always thought I would get goats to help me manage my open spaces and woodlot, but we have so many predators I've never brought it to fruition. I began asking myself about moving fences and animals and the daily chores required. Chickens are much easier (and productive).
I'll catch your geology video later. The geology in your corner of the country is quite involved and interesting. Mine is much, much older, dating back to the Cambrian and ending in the Paleozoic.
Wish you all the best as we continue to age and adapt.
“Until justice rolls down like water and righteousness like a mighty stream.”
A review of Lookout's part of the country
this diary and video. After reading the diary in March I added Alabama to my list of states to visit.
check out[video:https://youtu.be/USAaPrCJhAE]
The older cows will continue to be around for several years. I just don't want the young ones going through a teenage phase. They are able to jump fences, kick almost as high as my head, and are growing so fast their awareness of body placement can be slightly off. And no 2000+ lb bulls, beef bulls are much safer than dairy, but still unpredictable.
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
Question: if you would have a chance to
buy a lot to build a home and a sustainable garden to feed yourself, what would be the first thing you pay attention to and consider before settling on a lot:
1. Water, how much do you need, when is it too dry, what would it cost to drill your own well, can you have a water catchment system or does it not rain enough. When does it rain so much that you get the blues and landslides. Can you drill for groundwater in a lava rock area?
2. Do you build a shed for tools first (brick versus wood)
3. What is the reason to build with wood compared to bricks. I kind of need brick walls to feel comfortable. Why would you not build with bricks in a tropical climate? Why do people in cold climate zones build often with wood? Isn't wood less insulating than bricks?
Well, I guess, I could finally find the answers to all my questions myself. But as I haven't found a lot I can afford where I would feel comfortable, I have postponed researching it so far. So, don't yell at me for my laziness.![Smile](https://caucus99percent.com/sites/all/modules/smiley/packs/kolobok/smile.gif)
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Create a requirement list, then find the right area
1. Water
The amount of water for domestic use is based on the household habits of the people residing in the home. Having to haul water for domestic use is the fastest method to learn thrifty water habits.
The method and type of crops being grown and the water holding capacity of the soil will determine the need for an irrigation system and water storage. (see square foot gardening for ideas of small beds) Many areas of the world rely on the weather cycle to water crops. Every state has an Extension Service associated with a Land-Grant university such as the University of Hawaii. Quickest method to find information of local issues. To remain in public favor the Extension program has been refocusing on small farmers and suburban gardeners the past few years.
Cost for drilling a well depend on local geographical conditions. My well is 320 feet through a significant layer of lava rock. Also need to include a water delivery and storage system.
Water rights vary from state to state. It Oregon a domestic well can be used to provide household water use and 1/2 acre of irrigation water for about 6 months of the year. Larger areas of crop irrigation are allocated with different water rights.
Any area can have a water catchment system. The complexity and size limits would be based on local water right laws. Oregon law now allows collection and storage of water from building roof, not run off from land. I have been looking at my roofs and possibly diverting the run-off into a planned system after reading so many comments on C99 member water collection systems.
When does it rain so much that you get the blues and landslides. If it rains no sprinklers to change - free time - yeah. If rain comes in winter not shoveling - yeah. If there is several inches of snow and ground is frozen I am too busy preventing flooding to get the blues.
Do not buy in a landslide area, a flood plain, tornado corridor, tsunami zone or on an earthquake fault. With climate change the risk is too great to experience the 100 & 1000 year events in our lifetime.
2. Do you build a shed for tools first (brick versus wood)
First build the tool shed with wood. If the location is wrong it can be dragged to a new location with the tractor or pick-up.
3. What is the reason to build with wood compared to bricks. Cost
Why would you not build with bricks in a tropical climate? Volcanic islands may not have a source of clay locally. It needs to be shipped to the area.
Why do people in cold climate zones build often with wood? Isn't wood less insulating than bricks? Neither bricks or wood are insulating. It is air gaps that slow heat transfer. Air pockets trapped in straw, sawdust, fiber glass, styrofoam, loose dirt and other forms of insulation between walls. Wood buildings are easier to build than masonry, less skill required and lower foundation requirements.
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
oh my, friendly one, I didn't expect such a great answer!
Thank You !! Your links are very helpful.
Well I was struggling with those questions quite a bit. On the Hawaiian Islands there are areas that are fertile and on top of underground lava flow areas, they have enough rain and from what I have seen are flat enough to not be prone to mudslides. They are dangerous because as it happened now, earthquake and lava outbreaks can occur.
Then there are very rocky, lava-rocks abundant, dry landscapes. Other than some bushes and dry grass there is nothing much. Goats make it there. No cattle though. You would have to drill a well, I think. Both areas are cheap enough to afford with a structure or house on it.
There are more urban areas that are dangerous because any tsunami will flood and destroy anything the water hits. You better live a little uphill. Prices are more than they should be.
There are fertile moderately warm farming areas, ideal for growing whatever, veggies and fruits and coffee. There is nothing that doesn't grow there. It's very expensive land with nice views.
Then there are tropical lush green jungle-like areas, where it rains a lot, but the vegetation is breathtaking.
Well, I want some chickens, may be a goat pair, may be a pig pair. Some bananas, avocados, papaya, orange, lemon, lime, sweet potato, and some yam plants. Not much, but of each a little.
I have watched how a wild more tropical lush green area has been prepared to be able to build a structure and some garden area. It's a huge project. Even week-end garden warriors who have have to work some real jobs to pay for their daily iving expenses would have a hard time to manage it.
Alternative is to live in a climate with winter. It's also major work. And here in Germany you can't even have chickens on a residential lot of one acre. And there are laws that you can't grow vegetables on your front yard. Looks too ugly, is apparently the justification.
My parent's lot they bought in 1954 had a well, which we are officially not anymore allowed to use for the house, we have to use the city water. Well water can be used just for gardening purposes. Heh. Unofficially though ... works fine since 65 years. It's one of the reason I feel attached to the land and would hesitate, if it were mine, to sell. And I want to make a little river/pond system running through it...
I planted potatoes and they are coming. And five fruit trees. I am happy.![Smile](https://caucus99percent.com/sites/all/modules/smiley/packs/kolobok/smile.gif)
I mean, if people have no problems, they are sure good at creating some to make your life complicated.
I am on a look-out for the perfect place and the dreams are fading away.![Smile](https://caucus99percent.com/sites/all/modules/smiley/packs/kolobok/smile.gif)
But it's fun to dream a little. Thanks again. When I really find something and get my projects running I will write about it here. Wish me luck. And thanks again for your response.
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FBI serves search warrants...corruption probe tied to marijuana
FBI serves search warrants at home of Adelanto mayor, City Hall in widening corruption probe tied to marijuana industry
"wearing blue and brown shirts"
Q
War on drugs provides the feds with so much power.
Prices are collapsing in Oregon. Giving an opportunity for the big player to buy out the small entrepreneurs. The cycle of capitalism.
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
After the MX cartels is how I decode it
Maybe the bad California guys are trafficking children as well, but somehow I doubt it. I don't know. I am not the kind of believer who can "just trust the plan". NOPE
trust the plan
yes we can
same as it ever was
P.S. I love that Rage Against The Machine Video, Northridge 1991! At the beginning you hear someone ask "are these guys any good?". lol
Good morning.
Once again, thank you for all the interesting links. The 2 hours of Richard Wolf is on my to-listen to list.
So true what Lookout said about bitting off more than one can chew;
Time, energy, strength, all factor in to the calculation of what projects to undertake. What is going to be doable when things become more and more difficult to do.
If anyone has a good solution on how to protect emerging pomegranate fruit from birds and squirrels, I would love to hear it. This is the second year that we have had the hope of a decent harvest except the squirrels beat us to it.
Also, I mixed up a brew of organic vinegar and a bunch of herbs like stinging nettle etc. which is to sit for 6 weeks. I'm wondering if I will kill myself if I ingest this brew come July.
To protect from birds use a scaffold of bamboo
For the squirrel problem of the tree is far enough from others that they can't go from branch of one tree to that one try making a conical plastic collar on the trunk below the lowest branches. (For visualising, think of the traditional hat worn in rice paddies by the Vietnamese with a hole cut out for around the trunk.
Never tested the second option but it should work as I've seen something similar used to keep them from climbing poles for bird feeders.
Hope these tips are useful and work!![Smile](https://caucus99percent.com/sites/all/modules/smiley/packs/kolobok/smile.gif)
"I used to vote Republican & Democrat, I also used to shit my pants. Eventually I got smart enough to stop doing both things." -Me
Thanks for the tips on birds and squirrels
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
Wow, thanks for the ideas.
A whiff could be potent
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
How the economy is rigged, demonstrated by The Simpsons
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMB-XiewSKw]
Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.
Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.
lol, thanks/nt
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The joys of running your own business n/t
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
Dr. Wolff's speech - I listened to it to the end -
it's excellent (at least to me), because he makes it so clear and easy to understand.
In the end he talks about how to organize worker co-ops and someone asked about the role of technology that eliminates the jobs and how workers therefore lose their incomes with it.
He explained - using a simple example - that if 100 workers produce x amount of products that make the employer or capitalist corporation y amount of profits and a new technology came around that would produce the same amount y of profits, but would do it with only 50 workers, how would the 50 worker protect, who would lose their jobs, their jobs and their salaries.
His answer was that all 100 workers demand to only half of the time to now produce same profit for the capitalist, the workers gain free time and keep their jobs with the same level of income (if I had understood him correctly).
It came to my mind that this would only work, if the workers are salaried workers with job contracts and fixed salary. But I think in reality workers are paid hourly wages and therefore, if the new technology would make the same amount of profit for the employer, the gain of free time would result in loss of half the workers income.
AFAIK most workers have no job contracts with no rights in the US. In Germany you have at least work contracts (more and more now time limited, which was not the case decades ago). May be in a worker co-op this would then decided by the workers themselves.
So, my question is, how do the workers protect their jobs and their level of income, when machines take over and with it lower their hours they have to work and with it lower their earned income?
Just came to my mind. I will try to listen again to the last part of his speech. May be I missed something.
I like the way he teaches.
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His example of less working hours was for
I am not going to find the source. But, I was reading on increasing technology in the 1960's and car unions. Union leadership was not worried. They expected workers to share in the benefit of technology with higher wages and lower work requirements forever into the future.
Still yourself, deep water can absorb many disturbances with minimal reaction.
--When the opening appears release yourself.
Good morning. Thanks for the OT, SOE. How to simplify yet
enhance - an age old dilemma.
That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --
Good morning, SOE~~
Thanks for the info today. I enjoyed the video about the Columbia River. I'm fascinated by the volcano in Hawaii and watch all videos I can find about it. Such a force of nature - I love how we have no control and must just accept.
I'm typing with both hands, today, for the first time since I broke my hand. I called for my OT rehab and they can't get me in until 5/23. What's the use? I'll just google the therapy, do it myself, and cancel the appointment. Our medical system is severely broken!
I like Dr Wolff, too. I always learn something. I'll have to listen to it later, as I am extremely busy. The convocation for the students in our major is today and I've been busy, all week, getting everything ready for the ceremony. That said - better dash off!
Have a beautiful day, everyone!![Pleasantry](https://caucus99percent.com/sites/all/modules/smiley/packs/kolobok/pleasantry.gif)
edited to add: I, too, am hoping to stay in my home to my end days. We are working on that goal, too. Thanks, as always, for sharing your tips!
"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11