Still not voting for Clinton
I don't care what Bernie says about Trump.
Not one word did Bernie say of the election fraud that took place. I'm really disappointed Sanders didn't call a spade a spade and force the fraudulent activities to the forefront of discussion. Bernie WON this election. He should have fought for it.
By committing election fraud, Clinton committed treason. They destroyed our democracy, the root of our freedom and the cornerstone of our nation. She and her DNC conspirators should be lined up and shot, they CANNOT be allowed to win the election.
Not voting for Clinton. Not voting for Trump. I'll be voting Stein this year. Sorry Bernie, but you started this revolution. I guess we'll finish it.
BernDay is the week before the Philly convention. Bern your Dem Party registration and register Independent. Let the Dems know we are on to their fraud. Evil is evil and Clinton is no lesser than Trump. She committed treason and stole our democracy.
We will not vote for traitors.
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I agree 1000%
Stop supporting the madness of the elite, establishment, corruption, by not voting for either one of these bums.
They never fight for stolen elections any more
Samuel J. Tilden set the precedent, letting the hand-picked committee (5 House, 5 Senate,5 Supreme Court) decide the 1876 election along purely partisan lines. Instead he wasted upwards of a month compiling a history of previous elections.
Gore rolled over and played dead, so did Kerry.
It's just Not Done to put up any resistance. It's Not Nice.
Well, we know what Malvina Reynolds had to say about that....
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
"Gore rolled over and played dead, so did Kerry."
And thus showed the two-party charade for what it was. Anyone remember when Diebold Machines was the hot topic du jour? Now? Not a peep.
What in particular did Malvina Reynolds have to say?
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"It Isn't Nice"
It Isn't Nice -- YouTube link
http://people.wku.edu/charles.smith/MALVINA/mr073.htm
Notes: words and music by Malvina Reynolds; copyright 1964 Schroder Music Company, renewed 1993. This original version of the song was banned from the radio in Japan--in Japanese, but not in English!
It isn't nice to block the doorway,
It isn't nice to go to jail,
There are nicer ways to do it,
But the nice ways always fail.
It isn't nice, it isn't nice,
You told us once, you told us twice,
But if that is Freedom's price,
We don't mind.
It isn't nice to carry banners
Or to sit in on the floor,
Or to shout our cry of Freedom
At the hotel and the store.
It isn't nice, it isn't nice,
You told us once, you told us twice,
But if that is Freedom's price,
We don't mind.
We have tried negotiations
And the three-man picket line,1
Mr. Charlie2 didn't see us
And he might as well be blind.
Now our new ways aren't nice
When we deal with men of ice,
But if that is Freedom's price,
We don't mind.
How about those years of lynchings
And the shot in Evers' back?
Did you say it wasn't proper,
Did you stand upon the track?
You were quiet just like mice,
Now you say we aren't nice,
And if that is Freedom's price,
We don't mind.
It isn't nice to block the doorway,
It isn't nice to go to jail,
There are nicer ways to do it
But the nice ways always fail.
It isn't nice, it isn't nice,
But thanks for your advice,
Cause if that is Freedom's price,
We don't mind.
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Additional notes
1. This refers to an injunction limiting pickets to three. Nancy says she now sings "token picket line," as being less obscure and more gender-inclusive.
2. The Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang defines "Charlie" as "white men regarded as oppressors of blacks.--used contemptuously. Also Mr. Charlie, Boss Charlie."
3. Barbara Dane in part rewrote the song, adding a chorus; others have also changed or added to the lyrics in various ways over the years. It was Barbara Dane's alteration that Judy Collins recorded.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
There is a line that Bernie
There is a line that Bernie won't cross. I don't know the reasons. I wish he would. I think it is not an accident that his announcement comes the morning after the Brexit vote. I am guessing that the oligarchs awakened a little less secure in their gilded beds this morning and decided that the revolutionary passions needed a wet towel thrown on them. Bernie didn't extinguish the flames but this was a big deal. He is accepting so much of the corruption of the primaries, the parties, Hillary and the Clinton Foundation with his agreement to vote for her. And in declaring for her and expecting that we know we must do whatever it takes (wink, wink) to ensure Trump does not become president, Bernie is accepting Hillary as the lesser of two evils. And he is doing their fear mongering for them. I think that is what I feel anger about - that Bernie would join the scare tactic, must fall in line strategy that is the tried and true way to corral the sheeple into voting against their own interests. I believe Hillary is the greater of two evils in that Trump would be stopped in his tracks if he attempted to do the harm that Hillary will easily accomplish amidst support from both sides and the one corporate party (even if there is a show of dissent). The masses will be subdued by her being the democrat, a woman, it being the best she could negotiate or more fear mongering and divide and conquer manipulation.
I am not a lawyer:
Is committing election fraud a treasonable act? This I think is not the case, but I will defer to a legal expert. Something I need to assert: Legal definitions do not always follow a logic that might make sense in other disciplines. Source: My daughter is a lawyer and I am a physicist.
Only if you define Corporations as "enemy nations"
I'm not sure they shouldn't be, but that's a rather deep and complex legal wrangle....
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
If they get the extraterratoriality they want so much...
Damn skippy they're enemy nations.
I do not pretend I know what I do not know.
There's "treason" and there's "treason"
In the most general terms, you can argue that subverting the democratic process is treason in the same way that in a true monarchy in post-battle-of-hastings europe, a violation of the king's person is understood to be an act of violence against the state, and -- again, in the most general terms -- an act of violence against the state is treason.
In terms of the American constitution and system of law, "treason" is defined very explicitly, and acts undermining the democratic process for one's own gain would not qualify. However, many people -- myself included -- would argue that such acts do qualify as "sedition", as do any acts that attempt to subvert the constitutional system of government, ref: Oliver North (whom I believe "should" have been executed for sedition -- the "should" implying not a moral judgement, but my own understanding of what he did, and the clear fact that what he did was seditious at a level that under current US law would in fact qualify for the death penalty. Arguably, he was also guilty of treason, though we don't really know how much he had to do with the Iran side of Iran-Contra.).
The earth is a multibillion-year-old sphere.
The Nazis killed millions of Jews.
On 9/11/01 a Boeing 757 (AA77) flew into the Pentagon.
AGCC is happening.
If you cannot accept these facts, I cannot fake an interest in any of your opinions.
Treason (legally)
Constitution of the United States, Article III, Section 3:
text source
So Hillary Clinton is probably in the clear insofar as actually waging war directly against the United States. However, the real "proof of the pudding" relates to the other clause in that sentence, "or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort". Her knowing security leaks during the e-mail scandals probably did do just that.
N.B.: I am not a lawyer and do not play one on TV.
"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar
"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides
If I am not mistaken,
Didn't he preface that remark with the qualifying phrase, "In all likelihood..."?
That gives him wiggle room. I don't know why everyone's hair is on fire.
"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained." - Mark Twain
I didn't hear that
I heardn him say he was voting for Clinton because Trump. He then said he's going to 'revitalize' the Democratic party using the movement he engendered. It rigging an election and fraud may not be treason but it sure as hell is illegal and so brazenly arrogantly corrupt it actually does set my hair on fire. why spend hours parsing what Bernie said to make it seem like he is going to challenge the cheating Mad Bomber. How can there be a political revolution without a valid election and how does he think getting 20,000 new Democratic candidates to run will do a damn thing to revitalize the Third Way Vichy Dem. party.
I posted 2 videos. One with a definite 'hes' and one where
he semi-hedges with the phrase 'in all likelihood.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
I think Bernie is playing nice for the media...
giving the appearance that he has been lulled into complacency (or is falling in line). I can't help but think he has something up his sleeve so I will wait for the BOOM that I think is yet to come!
I think Bernie is playing nice for the media...
giving the appearance that he has been lulled into complacency (or is falling in line). I can't help but think he has something up his sleeve so I will wait for the BOOM that I think is yet to come!
Why play nice with the media ?
What does he have to lose by telling it like it is? Everybody but the brainwashed know whats going on despite the media. I have had it with pols who have something up their sleeve ie: Obomber. Integrity isn't that what he's about? So how come his integrity is not directed to we the people but to the Democratic party? Oh yeah we can't have Brexit cause they are bigots and we need to stop Farage. Is what's up his sleeve the same thing that was up Obama's sleeve? No thanks. The Democratic party is dead to me. They should be to anyone who supports Bernie's political revolution and agrees with his message. Who believes or cares about the lying corporate in the bag propaganda media. Not the millions people who support Bernie's political revolution. How insulting to those who despite the media got behind his candidacy to then weasel out because the media. WTF.
... it ALWAYS was up to us
to "finish this revolution". Onward! Excelsior!
When Cicero had finished speaking, the people said “How well he spoke”.
When Demosthenes had finished speaking, the people said “Let us march”.
Pretty sure
This was the point: Sorry Bernie, but you started this revolution. I guess we'll finish it."
Bernie started out virtually unknown. Winning was likely never the long term goal, and might be why he doesn't bring up the fraud. I'm sure that the long term goal was us.
Sounds familiar :-)
The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies (2014)
[From trailer]
Thranduil: [to Gandalf] You started this... you will forgive me if I finish it!
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Then if we're the long-term goal why would he tell anyone that
he'll be voting for the woman committing election fraud? Who's people have ensured that WE never got a fair primary. I would think that would be a better reason to state why NOT to vote for someone.
I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are. - Bill Hicks
Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. - Frank Zappa
Because Trumposaurus
Short-term thinking nullifying long-term goals. It's an occupational hazard of all reform and revolutionary movements.
There is no justice. There can be no peace.
Ever consider why he would?
He's still got a job he wants to do in the senate, and that job would be significantly easier if there were less daggers aimed at his back. Saying he will vote for Clinton, and actually doing it, would stay a lot of those daggers. That could be one reason right there. Surely you don't think Sanders would be able to effectively continue to fight for progressive policies in the senate with the entirety of the Dem establishment looking for ways to undermine him.
Admittedly, that is just a speculative reason, and only Sanders will truly know the reasoning for casting a vote for Hillary, but it is his vote to do with as he pleases, and his alone. Questioning why he would is a pointless distraction from our own long term goals.