Senate Will Vote On Abortion Ban

I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.

http://www.joanchittister.org

And some medical reasons for late term abortions:

Life Threatening Complications That May Require Late Term Abortion

http://m.selfgrowth.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.selfgrowth.com%2Farticles%...

And anencephaly:

In almost all cases, anencephalic infants are not aggressively resuscitated because there is no chance of the infant's ever achieving a conscious existence. Instead, the usual clinical practice is to offer hydration, nutrition, and comfort measures and to "let nature take its course". Artificial ventilation, surgery (to fix any co-existing congenital defects), and drug therapy (such as antibiotics) are usually regarded as futile efforts. Some clinicians and medical ethicists view even the provision of nutrition and hydration as medically futile.[

Under "Prognosis" at wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anencephaly

[The link also includes several examples of the short life span of several enencephalic "miracle babies" who survived for a couple of years.]

Here's an interesting poll result that has been obscured:

Nearly 99 percent of abortions occur before 21 weeks, but when they are needed later in pregnancy, it’s often in very complex circumstances. For example, severe fetal anomalies and serious risks to the woman’s health — the kind of situations where a woman and her doctor need every medical option available.

20-week bans are also highly unpopular throughout the country. 61% of all voters say abortion should be legal after 20 weeks. Plus, Democrats (78%), Republicans (62%), and Independents (71%) say this is the wrong issue for lawmakers to be spending time on.

https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/issues/abortion/20-week-bans

This vote had passed the House and a Senate vote is expected today. Crickets from pro-choice Dems or other pro-women groups in 2018. Here's what popped up from a Bing search:

For some odd reason I couldn't copy the text, but the Newsweek opinion article praised the support of Senator Joe Manchin, Sen. Joe Donnelly and Sen. Bob Casey:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-us-must-ban-abortions-after-20-wee...

An editorial at The L.A. Times:

The GOP is craven and the Democrats are extremist on an abortion restriction most Americans favor

Only eight years ago, a quarter of the Democratic House caucus bucked pro-choice party leadership and voted for a pro-life amendment to Obamacare. The amendment spelled out that government-supported health insurance could not be used for abortions. But in the 2010 midterm backlash, Republicans and anti-abortion activists worked overtime to defeat even pro-life Democrats, paving the way for abortion extremists to dominate the party.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-camosy-20-week-abortion-ban-2...

Maybe the Democratic leadership will oppose this vile piece of legislation. Can anybody here find some articles I missed about any Democrats who have taken a position on this upcoming vote?

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and others of her era were still around to teach the young women of today on just how to use that coat hanger she most likely used when told to "get rid of" her fifth pregnancy. And the waste of resources and time on this, once again? Why, that's no big deal in Murka, waste away and dig as deep into someone else's business as you can. The Repugnant Way.

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Only a fool lets someone else tell him who his enemy is. Assata Shakur

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@lizzyh7

I sure wish my great grandmother and others of her era were still around to teach the young women of today on just how to use that coat hanger she most likely used when told to "get rid of" her fifth pregnancy.

I certainly hope that's snark.

What coat-hanger abortions are best known for is "getting rid of" the pregnant woman via infections and/or cancer.

There's a reason the American demand for legal abortion is phrased: "Keep abortion safe and legal!" -- and that the word safe is there first!

My disgust with the compulsory birth crowd grows every day. And were I the God of the Christians, I'd be having a very unhappy talk with Giovanni Batista Montini (Pope Paul VI) right about now, too. If anything ends up destroying the Catholic Church, it will be Humanae Vitae.

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"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

@thanatokephaloides A bit of hostile snark in it's way but snark.

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@lizzyh7

It was indeed snark. A bit of hostile snark in it's way but snark.

Thank you! You had me worried there for a moment!

As for the compulsory birth squads: I can't think of an expression foul enough for them!!

Diablo

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"US govt/military = bad. Russian govt/military = bad. Any politician wanting power = bad. Anyone wielding power = bad." --Shahryar

"All power corrupts absolutely!" -- thanatokephaloides

that if they sabotage enough real people and lose enough elections that we will be forced to vote for corruptocrats.
As for the idea that they don't want tax money to go to unwanted children, that's a rationalization. What they really want is to control people through unwanted pregnancies. (even the threat of an unwanted pregnancy)

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On to Biden since 1973

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https://www.alternet.org/abortion-foes-hijack-racial-justice-black-genoc...

Abortion Foes Hijack Racial Justice: This 'Black Genocide' Argument Is Particularly Dangerous

It is only a dangerous argument if the Pro Choice position is ignored.

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That's all they are. They are absolutely not interested in the child once it is born and actually needs something independent of it's host. I hate these people. Diablo

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"The “jumpers” reminded us that one day we will all face only one choice and that is how we will die, not how we will live." Chris Hedges on 9/11

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Quietly, U.S. Senate plans vote on 20-week abortion ban [Quietly? Because Democrats are caving?]

As The New York Times reports , Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., is expected to bring the bill, sponsored by Sen. Lindsey O. Graham, R-S.C., up for a key, procedural today.

A procedural vote? I guess there must be differences between Senator Graham's version and the House version. Probably the "exceptions" for rape and incest, but not for a woman's health.

https://www.bing-amp.com/c/s/articles.pennlive.com/opinion/2018/01/quiet...

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@Meteor Man

"I don't believe abortion, five months into pregnancy, makes us a better nation," Graham said last October when he introduced the bill. "America is at her best when she's standing up for the least among us, and the sooner we pass this legislation into law, the better. We are on the right side of history," he said.

"Hey Paul, when do we get to cut the food stamps program?"

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

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The 40 years assaults on social programs is proof of that.

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Again the democrats are AWOL. Where's the voice of the greatest defender of women and children?

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Which AIPAC/MIC/pharma/bank bought politician are you going to vote for? Don’t be surprised when nothing changes.

@snoopydawg She stated it unequivocally several times. I never understood why Planned Parenthood and NARAL endorsed Her.

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@snoopydawg
Oh yeah, Medicare For All? Third World infant mortality rates are no problem, amirite? Yeah, Forced Birthers is a more accurate description. I sure would love to hear any Democrat introduce that term on the floor of Congress. I remember hearing Randi Rhodes say something like "They love the fetus and hate the child."

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@TB mare

I did not know that. Why indeed did PP endorse her? I can guess though...

@Meteor Man

The messages have been teed up for the democrats for decades, but they rarely step up to the plate to hit them. This is so obvious that I can't understand why others don't see it. They let the republicans spout whatever nonsense they want unchallenged. Remember death panels that went on all summer without one person trying to inform the citizenry what they actually do?

"They are going to kill granma..."

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@snoopydawg
Yeah, and I remember this counterargument that not a single Democrat uttered. Insurance companies are economic free riders who charge customers monthly fees for the right to have legitimate claims denied.

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@Meteor Man provided insurance, if your company is self funded then it decides what treatment you might get. Need a bone marrow transplant, sorry, no guaranteed ROI on that... We'll give you some pills though, lotsa pills, it won't be so bad and you'll be doing your fiduciary duty. s/

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From The Hill:

The bill failed with a 51-46 vote. Sens. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) and Susan Collins (R-Maine) were among those who voted no. Alabama Sen. Doug Jones (D), who recently won in a special election against Republican candidate Roy Moore, also voted no.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/371269-dems-block-20-week-abortion-ban

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And all because these god damned Porky Dems are paid to lose corporate shills.

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Modern education is little more than toeing the line for the capitalist pigs.

Guerrilla Liberalism won't liberate the US or the world from the iron fist of capital.