Photography Open Thread 05/13/2013
Ellie - Two year old granddaughter and unpaid model for this weeks post
Friday Photography
This week is all about different focal lengths and how they affect how a photograph looks. Sometimes its best to get really close to the subject and others it is better to have some distance in between.
This weeks assignment is: People
Please post any photos, comment about anything or ask any questions about photography (If I don’t know the answer someone here probably will)- Please treat this as a photography (and anything else for that matter) open thread.
Go wide or go long
Most cameras now have the ability to zoom in or out. Sometimes we have no choice as to whether we ‘go far’ i.e. zoom out as far as possible or ‘go wide’ get in as much of a scene as possible. A bird in a tree would generally require the first approach while getting a whole room in an image would require the second.
There is a bit more to the zooming thing than this though and there are many occasions where the photographer gets to make a choice and the decision can really impact the way a photograph looks. In this post I want to look at a couple of these differences.
Going Long
Obviously this makes things that are further away seem nearer. There is another less obvious effect though - the further that a lens is zoomed out the more compressed the image appears to be. This causes the final image to appear flattened.
This flattening of an image does something interesting. It makes the photographer seem detached from the subject of the photograph - not a part of the action so to speak. This is not always a bad thing. If, for example, a photograph of a person alone with their own thoughts is required then a long lens is the answer. Using a long lens also means that the photographer does not have to encroach into the subject’s personal space and this really helps when detachment is required.
Longish lenses are also best for formal (as opposed to candid) portrait work. They generally make faces look better and they make the blurring of the background easier. If you've ever wondered why it is really hard to make someone look good with an iPhone this is a part of the reason (Camera phones tend to be wide angle).
This was shot from around 30 yards away and Ellie was in her own world - it was important that she was not aware of me taking the photo.Going Wide
As you have no doubt guessed the results of going wide are the opposite of those described above. A wide angle lens causes depth to appear to stretch and makes things further away appear very small. This is why mountains in the background tend to look very small and unimpressive, in many photographs compared to the way they appear in real life. Due to this apparent stretching of depth the viewer is pulled into the photograph. This causes the viewer to feel involved and is the opposite of the detachment facilitated by a long lens. The downside for more introverted photographers is that this means that they have to get in on the action themselves - the nearest part of the composition in a good wide angle shot is often just a couple of feet from the camera lens.
The apparent stretching of depth and resulting distortion is one of the reasons why it is hard to take flattering portraits with a wide angle lens.
This is the opposite of the previous photo. Ellie is about two feet from the camera and the interactions are all important. A photograph like this, that pulls the viewer into the scene, is not possible with a telephoto (long) lens.Going Normal
This is where a focal length is being used that is neither wide nor long and supposedly roughly equates with the way the human eye sees the world. Characteristic wise it falls between the properties of the types of lens already discussed. Many photographers work with just this type of lens eschewing the distorted view of the world that the others provide. These are the real purists of the photography world.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kAVGQvYGEw] This is a really good explanation with enough detail but not too much imo. It explains the connection between the focal length and the angle of view along with what all those numbers that usually end with mm mean. The presenter uses detachable lenses but the exact same principles apply to fixed zoom lenses on compact cameras.
Assignments
Last weeks assignment - indoors
This weeks assignment - people
Groups, crowds, individuals, family, strangers anything at all with a warm body in it somewhere.
Where to post images
I'll put up a new thread tomorrow, around noon ET, specifically for the uploading of photos relating to the assignment. If you want to post them here and/or on tomorrow's thread that is fine.
Finally
When you photograph people in color, you photograph their clothes. But when you photograph people in Black and white, you photograph their souls
-Ted Grant
This is an open thread so have at it. Post photos, questions, thoughts etc. - anything whatsoever to do with photography or anything at all for that matter.
Comments
Hi Steve
Thank you for the post. This morning i was overcome with these roses, the scent was wafting into my apt from the balcony.
I tried for shallow depth of field. Gertrude Jekyll rose.
To thine own self be true.
Hi Marilyn
Beautiful photographs of beautiful flowers. Depth of field seems pretty much spot on. I really like the top one - the muted background really works well imo.
I was in the garden testing a lens yesterday. Here is one of the photos, nothing great was just testing for blue fringing against the sky
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
I love the white on white, very subtle
all round great shot!
To thine own self be true.
Thanks!
thought I'd give it a try hust to see how it turned out
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Marilyn, I especially like the first photo
for its beautiful form and the soft light that fills it. I also really like the color combination of the rose and its background.
Thank you Janis!
as usual, that one came at the end of my shoot. By then, i knew what I wanted.
To thine own self be true.
That's called
working a scene - surprising how many people take one photograph and move on. Very few photographers can visualize well enough to get the shot at the first attempt. Eggleston was an exception IIRC.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Eggleston didn't like to take 2 shots of the same scene
but I imagine he studied the scene long before he took the shot.
There was one incidence when he was with his son (his photographer's assistant) and he asked permission to photograph inside a junky store. The storekeeper wanted to fix things up and he said, "oh no, leave everything as is." And he really "cased the joint" before he took a shot. "Working the scene" is what he did. Thanks Steve.
To thine own self be true.
Ah right
I was never quite sure whether he just walked up found a spot and shot or whether he walked it first.
On a related note many people's photography goes down a notch when they buy a tripod - because they plant the tripod then won't move it more than a couple of feet in any direction. When I teach I make students leave their tripods behind initially so they walk and check all the angles before planting
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
I think that's really good advice, especially for beginning
students. The tripod can tend to create a distance and disconnect between you and your subject.
On further thought, regarding the tripod ...
I think that is more true for subjects other than people. If I want to photograph people I will often look through the lens to compose the picture and then lift my head and directly face the person for a more personal contact; something that a tripod would also enable you to do.
I am fortunate
insomuch as I work with both eyes open so I am looking through the viewfinder with one eye while looking outside the frame the other. I thought everyone did this until recently.
I do more work with a live-view screen on a mirrorless now - I find that a combination of a much smaller camera and being able to communicate almost as if I'm not behind a camera works really well.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
I too have only been using a screen on a small camera
for a long time now. My initial experience (and still is), is that I found it quite liberating. Seeing more of the whole once influenced a change in how I photographed. Do beginning photography students start with an slr or mirrorless?
In an ideal world
I'd start them off with a viewfinder as they are likely to already be used to a live view. The other consideration being that a viewfinder is easier to use in bright sun.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Steve, I'll try to photograph some strangers on the beach later.
Photographing people has always been a real challenge for me, and something I've done little of confidently.
Hi Janice
I am OK photographing people if it is a formal portrait session but find it hard to do take candid shots. I'd never be able to do street photography for example. I only photograph the family once in a blue moon - tbh I'd rather just be having fun with them.
Most photographers are actually quite shy in my experience. I admire anyone that can approach strangers and ask if they can take their pic.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
I'll post my endeavour in tomorrows open thread
It will be late, as I will still be sleeping as you are enjoying lunch.
That would place you in Hawaii
or somewhere else in the Pacific? - unless you are doing shift work.
Look forward to seeing the pics
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
I live in New Zealand.
Hey, more photography..... excellent
Man with clouds..
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
I always like the image of a lone person in
silhouette! well done.
To thine own self be true.
Thanks.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
Wonderful depth to this
very cool
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
One of my art heroes is Caspar David Friedrich
As far as I know, just about all of his figures are turned away from the observer....... in interesting light.
Gëzuar!!
from a reasonably stable genius.
I am a big fan of the German Romantics
I prefer German art to French generally speaking which is rare for a Brit
This one is probably my favorite by Friedrich. Never really thought about his figures facing away from the viewer before now -interesting.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
He looks like he is also photographing
I like the complimentary textures of cloud and sand at low tide.
I really like that a lot. It has a mysterious vibe. The little
darkened person and the relatively little bright sun, the expanse of cloud above and expanse of water below. It has balance without being square.
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Gorgeous! Thanks stevej and Caucus photographers! ;^D EOM
Everyone thinks they have the best dog, and none of them are wrong.
Pleasure UL
and thanks for the support
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Off topic pic
Just thought I would share a pic I took with my Samsung S5 phone with an Oish clip on macro lens. I bought these lenses on Amazon for $26 not expecting much and I am quite impressed. Depth of field is very narrow, but gives nice background.
For a measly $26 you get a fisheye lens, a wide angle lens and a macro lens. I do garden pest control and fertilizer stuff and it is nice to be able to photograph what I am dealing with. I have yet to use the fisheye or wide angle lens.
An Olive tree flower before I administered birth control (I sprayed the tree for fruit reduction)
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A lady bug larvae amongst aphid remains on a rose
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"If we all threw our problems in a pile and saw everyone else's, we'd grab ours back" - Regina Brett
Your photos are wonderful, Muddy Boots
And hardly off topic, since your subjects are just of a different species. It looks like the close inspection you have to pay to your work has helped you develop a really good eye. It’s also clear you enjoy photographing your subjects.
Thanks for showing us a lady bug larvae.
Very cool images
Have just ordered one of those, as you say a steal at that price. I originally decided against a macro attachment for the phone because they were a bit on the expensive side.
thanks for the heads up!
-No way around the narrow depth of field - always an issue with macro (oddly enough less so on an iPhone than an expensive camera due to the smaller sensor size)
Edit: By the way - no such thing as an off topic pic (or anything else for that matter)
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
I'm stunned by the clarity of the bug from your phone
Boots. I have been doing photography for over 40 years and used to work in a darkroom developing film and slides.
I worked with an enlarger printing both b&w and color prints.
When I first heard about digital cameras I thought that it was a fad and would never replace film photography.
I got a free 1mp camera that took 6 photos before I had to upload it to the computer.
Then kept reading about them and saw the quality of the photos so I saved money to buy one. I waited until they got to 4mp and then went absolutely nuts taking photographs.
Back when we had to use film, we bracketed so that we would get the best picture possible. When I got the prints back there might be 1-2 decent pictures out of 36.
With my digital camera I could take over 500 pictures and not worry about wasting money
I have 2 digital cameras. One is a point and shoot 14mp and a SLR with assortment of lenses.
And now pictures taken with phones or iPads produce great quality photographs. Sigh.
But I still use my film camera for certain pictures because I like to see the grain in the prints. And one day I'm hoping to build another darkroom for b&w prints.
Digital cameras have been incredibly useful in the medical field.
I was an ophthalmic photographer and took photos of dye passing through the blood vessels in the retina.
Before digital, the doctor would either ask me if the patient's disease needed immediate treatment or could they wait a few days. Back then I had to be certified and understand all of the different diseases that effected the eyes. Now the doctor can watch in realtime and see the results since they are projected on a monitor. And people don't need to be certified anymore if the doctor doesn't want to pay a decent wage. Sigh.
Here's what I used to do in another life. And boy do I miss working in this field
This is a picture of a Branch Artery Occlusion. The top of the photo where it is grey is dead tissue.
The middle part is where your reading vision comes from. (Macula)
The vessels are leaking fluid in to the Macula and this patient's vision would be blurry. The doctor will use a laser to seal the leaking vessels and hopefully the patient's vision would get better. But the goal is to keep it from getting worse.
The dead tissue at the top would also require laser treatment so that the eye doesn't try to repair itself and grow abnormal vessels.
This is what happens to people who have diabetes and why the lose their vision.
But what is happening in the eyes is also happening in the kidneys too.
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Your past life is cool!
I had a dog who over his life developed every eye disease but cancer. He ended up with one prosthetic black ball and a failing eye with glaucoma, dry eye, cataract, blindness. He had eye pix many times, interesting to see how they do that in awake dogs.
A nice picture of the back of the eye.
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Snoopydawg
This may interest you - it basically converts a smartphone camera to work on a microscopic level and seems to be targeted at the medical industry. It doesn't appear to be a toy.
[video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIiY_u5wwaE]
My backward move was from a Nikon SLR to a dinky Fuji 3mp p-and-s that always really over saturated oranges for some reason.
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Brought me to tears...
My very dear friend for 25 years died from diabetes last November, aged 83. He never stopped working. As his body crapped out I partnered with him till I was doing all the work but we still split the money. He got me started on the pest control and fertilizer stuff, which is a less physical way to make a buck than landscaping with all the heavy hauling. I won't ever quit either - there is no one else offering this service in the area and it is fascinating, and fun. My avatar is me making a buck fertilizing, photographed by my friend who couldn't see me. The camera phone did all the work.
Well his eyes would bleed and he eventually went blind. THEN they told him he could get surgery for it. So he had two operations, one on each eye and he got vision back in both. I was always taking him to the doc for peeks in his eye and sometimes he would lay him over the garbage can and leak some fluid out of his eye. They swapped out the fluid in his eye somehow.
Anyway, what you show here is precisely what he was dealing with. The doc would laser away sealing off blood vessels till he couldn't see well enough through the gunk and his vision would improve. They always took photo's, but sometimes things were too gunked up for them to see much.
"If we all threw our problems in a pile and saw everyone else's, we'd grab ours back" - Regina Brett
Thanks for the photography lesson! I especially like the quote
at the end. I hadn't thought about it before, but as I read that I realized you're right, I did not notice what anyone was wearing, I was focused on their faces, and through them felt I knew them a little. From now on any time I photograph people, I'll do a black and white copy to see what I can see!
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EC - reply below
I messed up again
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire
Pleasure - the quote is one of my favorites
and think you are spot on. When I do portrait work I always give clients two sets of images, one color and the same photographs in black and white (I don't advertise that I'm going to do this) and nine times out of ten it is the black and white versions that they like best.
There is just something that tone and contrast does that color gets in the way of.
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” -Voltaire